2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas

[robillionaire]

Any trade will just buff the treadmill, it's all hopeless. Knicks should stand pat until all contracts expire and get to tanking.

Yes and this time it needs to be a “real” tank not a fake tank that only lasts 6-7 years like last time. We need to tank for at least 50-100 years in a row to really get the stars here

[HopelessKnick]

Mitch/iHart
Randle/OG
OG/RJ
Spida/Hart
Brunson/Spida

Cleveland gets Grimes, Donte, Frenchy and 3 unprotected picks(24,26,28) for Spida
Toronto get RJ for OG - but we get to keep IQ
---- or IQ and picks for OG and we keep RJ

I think the squad with RJ off the bench is a contender



Would you do this? Are we contenders?

There really is no way to get OG AND Spida. Only if RJ really exploded into that 22point highly efficient two way player.....Toronto turned down 3 FRPs for OG at the last deadline. There is a video online from a couple years ago where Ujiri literally says something like "Fu.ck the Knicks. I'm not dealing OG to the Knicks" ---I think it is also fair to believe that if Knicks' FO saw a possibility of engaging the Raptors in a OG trade scenario, they would have held back on filing that lawsuit...frankly I'd be shocked if OG ends up here...Ujiri is not dealing him here...

[sol537]

I need a capologist to chime in here...

If we trade Randle for an expiring contract at this trade deadline, let Fournier expire this off-season... that puts us at about 115m(?) without IQ's contract... can we offer OG a free agent deal of around $27m and then extend IQ at around 23m afterwards?

That leaves us: Mitch / OG / RJ / Grimes / Brunson with iHart, Hard, DDV, and IQ off the bench. Keeping that continuity going and improving our defense...

[thebuzzardman]

Any trade will just buff the treadmill, it's all hopeless. Knicks should stand pat until all contracts expire and get to tanking.

Yes and this time it needs to be a “real” tank not a fake tank that only lasts 6-7 years like last time. We need to tank for at least 50-100 years in a row to really get the stars here

Trust the centurial process!!!!!!!!

[thebuzzardman]

I need a capologist to chime in here...

If we trade Randle for an expiring contract at this trade deadline, let Fournier expire this off-season... that puts us at about 115m(?) without IQ's contract... can we offer OG a free agent deal of around $27m and then extend IQ at around 23m afterwards?

That leaves us: Mitch / OG / RJ / Grimes / Brunson with iHart, Hard, DDV, and IQ off the bench. Keeping that continuity going and improving our defense...

I think OG wants between 35 and 40 million...

[Richard4444]

I need a capologist to chime in here...

If we trade Randle for an expiring contract at this trade deadline, let Fournier expire this off-season... that puts us at about 115m(?) without IQ's contract... can we offer OG a free agent deal of around $27m and then extend IQ at around 23m afterwards?

That leaves us: Mitch / OG / RJ / Grimes / Brunson with iHart, Hard, DDV, and IQ off the bench. Keeping that continuity going and improving our defense...

Brunson + RJ + Hart + Mitch + Dante + Grimes = 99M
IQ Cap Hold = 12,5M
Roster Cap Slots (5) = 5,5M
Max Salary Cap 2025 Projection = 149M
Available Cap Space (without Randle, IHart, Sims, Deuce and picks) = 32M

[sol537]

I need a capologist to chime in here...

If we trade Randle for an expiring contract at this trade deadline, let Fournier expire this off-season... that puts us at about 115m(?) without IQ's contract... can we offer OG a free agent deal of around $27m and then extend IQ at around 23m afterwards?

That leaves us: Mitch / OG / RJ / Grimes / Brunson with iHart, Hard, DDV, and IQ off the bench. Keeping that continuity going and improving our defense...

Brunson + RJ + Hart + Mitch + Dante + Grimes = 99M
IQ Cap Hold = 12,5M
Roster Cap Slots (5) = 5,5M
Max Salary Cap 2025 Projection = 149M
Available Cap Space (without Randle, IHart, Sims, Deuce and picks) = 32M

Thank you. So we could offer OG 32m as his starting salary and then go over the cap to extend IQ and maybe toss the MLE to IHart?

[Richard4444]

I need a capologist to chime in here...

If we trade Randle for an expiring contract at this trade deadline, let Fournier expire this off-season... that puts us at about 115m(?) without IQ's contract... can we offer OG a free agent deal of around $27m and then extend IQ at around 23m afterwards?

That leaves us: Mitch / OG / RJ / Grimes / Brunson with iHart, Hard, DDV, and IQ off the bench. Keeping that continuity going and improving our defense...

Brunson + RJ + Hart + Mitch + Dante + Grimes = 99M
IQ Cap Hold = 12,5M
Roster Cap Slots (5) = 5,5M
Max Salary Cap 2025 Projection = 149M
Available Cap Space (without Randle, IHart, Sims, Deuce and picks) = 32M

Thank you. So we could offer OG 32m as his starting salary and then go over the cap to extend IQ and maybe toss the MLE to IHart?

I was optimistic about the salary cap. I think it will hit the 149M. But there is site projecting 143 or 145.

I think so.

IHart would get the Room MLE (8M).

[WargamesX]

Here is another question for the cap experts. Say the knicks don't change the roster, they do trade Fournier's contract for one that is say 20 mil. How much would the team be over the cap if they added a $25 mil IQ and paid IHart the Room MLE?

I just want to know if that is even realistic or unlikely.

[RHODEY]

I need a capologist to chime in here...

If we trade Randle for an expiring contract at this trade deadline, let Fournier expire this off-season... that puts us at about 115m(?) without IQ's contract... can we offer OG a free agent deal of around $27m and then extend IQ at around 23m afterwards?

That leaves us: Mitch / OG / RJ / Grimes / Brunson with iHart, Hard, DDV, and IQ off the bench. Keeping that continuity going and improving our defense...

Brunson + RJ + Hart + Mitch + Dante + Grimes = 99M
IQ Cap Hold = 12,5M
Roster Cap Slots (5) = 5,5M
Max Salary Cap 2025 Projection = 149M
Available Cap Space (without Randle, IHart, Sims, Deuce and picks) = 32M

Thank you. So we could offer OG 32m as his starting salary and then go over the cap to extend IQ and maybe toss the MLE to IHart?

32 Million FG for a roleplayer... that sounds about right

[KnicksGadfly]

Any trade will just buff the treadmill, it's all hopeless. Knicks should stand pat until all contracts expire and get to tanking.

Yes and this time it needs to be a “real” tank not a fake tank that only lasts 6-7 years like last time. We need to tank for at least 50-100 years in a row to really get the stars here

Eh, I know you’re trying to be facetious and exaggerate to make a point but those fake tanks spanned a really long time - not just 6-7 years - and encompassed a period where we had some of the worst GMs in Knicks history. The only reason we have to use the words “fake tank” is because we have dummies that think those GMs were trying to lose on purpose instead of seeing that they had this weird idea that New York was only gonna accept a winner and then proceeded to just build bad teams on top of flawed foundations. In light of that, I think the tank probably would have accelerated the timeline.

Do other methods work? Yea. For the FA route, though? You need some super smart GMs for that though. A big ass city. The right environment and cap timing. Some tampering. Some luck. Basically, you gotta copy the Miami Heat and Golden State Warriors.

I think the other thing you both are knocking are fans’ championship aspirations. Currently, we have 1 star, maybe 2: Jalen Brunson and RJ Barrett. I feel extremely comfortable knocking Randle off that ledge right now. I know you were a fan of trading for Mitchell, but a team aspiring for a chip can’t cash in their assets for a guy who is probably not better than Brunson and doesn’t fit Brunson.

I do feel the position we’re in is good, though, but it doesn’t mean guys like Isiah Thomas or Phil or Perry made good choices in the past. Doesn’t change the fact that our 2 best draft picks in past years have been RJ and KP. Or that trading away Morris, a tank move, got us IQ.

[RHODEY]

Any trade will just buff the treadmill, it's all hopeless. Knicks should stand pat until all contracts expire and get to tanking.

Yes and this time it needs to be a “real” tank not a fake tank that only lasts 6-7 years like last time. We need to tank for at least 50-100 years in a row to really get the stars here

Eh, I know you’re trying to be facetious and exaggerate to make a point but those fake tanks spanned a really long time - not just 6-7 years - and encompassed a period where we had some of the worst GMs in Knicks history. The only reason we have to use the words “fake tank” is because we have dummies that think those GMs were trying to lose on purpose instead of seeing that they had this weird idea that New York was only gonna accept a winner and then proceeded to just build bad teams on top of flawed foundations. In light of that, I think the tank probably would have accelerated the timeline.

Do other methods work? Yea. For the FA route, though? You need some super smart GMs for that though. A big ass city. The right environment and cap timing. Some tampering. Some luck. Basically, you gotta copy the Miami Heat and Golden State Warriors.

I think the other thing you both are knocking are fans’ championship aspirations. Currently, we have 1 star, maybe 2: Jalen Brunson and RJ Barrett. I feel extremely comfortable knocking Randle off that ledge right now. I know you were a fan of trading for Mitchell, but a team aspiring for a chip can’t cash in their assets for a guy who is probably not better than Brunson and doesn’t fit Brunson.

I do feel the position we’re in is good, though, but it doesn’t mean guys like Isiah Thomas or Phil or Perry made good choices in the aa@qpast. Doesn’t change the fact that our 2 best draft picks in past years have been RJ and KP. Or that trading away Morris, a tank move, got us IQ.

Nice post.I think the problem with knocking off Randle right now is getting equal value for him. You might be of the opinion that it's addition by subtraction because against good teams he can kill our momentum but... Are you prepared to lose that 20+ points, rebounding, passing from our front court? If the right trade isn't there are you prepared to take a step back so that we can move forward?

I think many of us know D. Mitchell is not a great fit but he might represent that gray area were you can add talent , and maybe get somewhat better and just have to deal with the extra imbalances he creates. I don't really think he is the answer but on the other side I don't see how we get someone better. It seems like many of the deals we could make are with teams that don't like us. Brooklyn, Toronto, Utah.

Maybe more patience is the answer..Just wait out the season and stay competitive while doing so. We are doing a good job of that right now. 5th place with some easier games coming up. I personally think we should make
tweak by adding a shooting wing and or a backup power forward but Thib's makes that tough because of the tight rotations.

[HopelessKnick]

I'm no fan of Randle either and would love to trade him in a sensible deal but if we sub Randle with OG we'd essentially have no PF and our rebounding would go from best in the league to average. We still may be better with OG instead of Randle but the improvement would probably be more marginal. But I get your point.

[HopelessKnick]

Any realistic Randle trade during the season would have us getting a PF back---anything else is wishful thinking. Our FO is ultra conservative , they wouldn't trade Randle with no PF coming back.

Those 1a 3 and D options like OG and Bridges are highly unlikely IMO. We gotta look at the 1b options.

I think FOs keep tabs on how realistiv a FA signing is. If they thought they could lure OG here in FA they probably would have abstained from signing DD and/or extending Hart as both these players combined make as much as Randle.

Most realistically the Raptors are going to give OG a nice extension and build around Barnes and OG. They are likely to cash in some chips via a Siakam trade.....Ujiri is pretty high on OG.....if he wasn't intent on keeping him he wouldn't have rejected those 3FRP offers last deadline.....

[thebuzzardman]

Yes and this time it needs to be a “real” tank not a fake tank that only lasts 6-7 years like last time. We need to tank for at least 50-100 years in a row to really get the stars here

Eh, I know you’re trying to be facetious and exaggerate to make a point but those fake tanks spanned a really long time - not just 6-7 years - and encompassed a period where we had some of the worst GMs in Knicks history. The only reason we have to use the words “fake tank” is because we have dummies that think those GMs were trying to lose on purpose instead of seeing that they had this weird idea that New York was only gonna accept a winner and then proceeded to just build bad teams on top of flawed foundations. In light of that, I think the tank probably would have accelerated the timeline.

Do other methods work? Yea. For the FA route, though? You need some super smart GMs for that though. A big ass city. The right environment and cap timing. Some tampering. Some luck. Basically, you gotta copy the Miami Heat and Golden State Warriors.

I think the other thing you both are knocking are fans’ championship aspirations. Currently, we have 1 star, maybe 2: Jalen Brunson and RJ Barrett. I feel extremely comfortable knocking Randle off that ledge right now. I know you were a fan of trading for Mitchell, but a team aspiring for a chip can’t cash in their assets for a guy who is probably not better than Brunson and doesn’t fit Brunson.

I do feel the position we’re in is good, though, but it doesn’t mean guys like Isiah Thomas or Phil or Perry made good choices in the aa@qpast. Doesn’t change the fact that our 2 best draft picks in past years have been RJ and KP. Or that trading away Morris, a tank move, got us IQ.

Nice post.I think the problem with knocking off Randle right now is getting equal value for him. You might be of the opinion that it's addition by subtraction because against good teams he can kill our momentum but... Are you prepared to lose that 20+ points, rebounding, passing from our front court? If the right trade isn't there are you prepared to take a step back so that we can move forward? I think many of us know D. Mitchell is not a great fit but he might represent that gray area were you can add talent , and maybe get somewhat better and just have to deal with the extra imbalances he creates. I don't really think he is the answer but on the other side I don't see how we get someone better. It seems like many of the deals we could make are with teams that don't like us. Brooklyn, Toronto, Utah. Maybe more patience is the answer..Just wait out the season and stay competitive while doing so. We are doing a good job of that right now. 5th place with some easier games coming up. I personally think we should make
tweak by adding a shooting wing and or a backup power forward but Thib's makes that tough because of the tight rotations.

Right. And there will be no winning the argument with anyone who thinks Randle or RJ going out would be addition by subtraction, as you say, but also that if the Knicks DO trade Randle or RJ, you have to recover what they produce, which in Randle's case is 25/10 and passing from the PF position and also some offensive gravity and for RJ it's a reliable 20 ppg, potentially more in the future.

But the theoretical trade would be to improve over that. So to me that's another 5 ppg.

Are 30 ppg scorers that available? Even 25 ppg ones?

It's rough, because any significant improvement to the Knicks is either getting scoring and stretch ability from the 5, yet enough to make up for Mitch's loss of defense, rebounding and offensive rebounding, or SG, where the good players like Booker or DMitch? (fit aside) will cost at least Grimes\Fournier and I'd assume one of Randle or RJ or resigned IQ.

And how much better is the team? Not that the Knicks should stand pat.

But imagine it's Booker for Randle & Founier and all kinds of picks. Pretend trade. Not happening.
Big time gravity at SG. Good fit with Brunson on offense, defense maybe not.
Now they have to find a 3&D PF.

This is the hard part for the Knicks FO.

[RHODEY]

Watch on YouTube

[HopelessKnick]

Brunson + Mitchell is unlikely to ever work....take a look:

Watch on YouTube

Cleveland fans already starting to turn on Mitchell.

[Riot Randolph]

Would love herb jones on this team, young solid defender and can hit a three

[dakomish23]

Brunson + Mitchell is unlikely to ever work....take a look:

Watch on YouTube

Cleveland fans already starting to turn on Mitchell.

We might have the same YouTube algorithm

This was a good video. The ppl who only care about stars would hate it

[Snacks]

Brunson + Mitchell is unlikely to ever work....take a look:

Watch on YouTube

Cleveland fans already starting to turn on Mitchell.

We might have the same YouTube algorithm

This was a good video. The ppl who only care about stars would hate it

Players don't win Championships by themselves.
You need a great coach and game plan.
Spida and JB are 2 of the most efficient scorers and iso scorers on ball and off ball in the nba - but they can also pass and run an offense.
Sign me the F*ck up.
If you have an alternative plan to the Finals- pls send a letter to Leon