[Camelo Thread Part 12] - Melo's list grows? pg. 50

[swisscheeseD]

Who's Fatcessa's source? Brian Cashman?

[Jay10]

Who's Fatcessa's source? Brian Cashman?

lol

[god shammgod]

This is like the 4th time I'm posting this. We can still trade our 2014 pick. We just include stipulations that state, "If NYK receives a top 5 2012 pick and does not satisfy their obligation to Houston, Denver receives NYK's 2015 or next eligible 1st."

Oh I see, so we put a condition in there that makes it conditional on the Rockets not having that pick. And so on for each year, essentially piggy-backing on the Rockets' conditions.

And that would work because Denver won't worry about the Knicks having a top 5 pick if we have Melo and Amar'e.

exactly.

[knicks9784]

Who's Fatcessa's source? Brian Cashman?

lol yeah his sources are always right...."cliff lee 99% to the yanks," "no complications in jeters negotiations." in fact cashman said today that he expected problems with jeters contract negotiations, something the great fatcessa guaranteed there would be none of.

anyways he has NO sources, he doesnt know anything, if he knew ANYTHING it would be about the yankees, and clearly he doesnt even know that.

[NYMase]

Mike Francesca is talking Carmelo.
He is stating that the reports of the players mentioned are not accurate. Denver is not fully engaged yet. Denver is not saying to NY here is what we want. Denver is in a state of flux, not organized. They don't have a Donnie Walsh type GM to get things in order.
He is stating he has a good source and repeats that the players mentioned are not accurate as far as Knicks and Denver are concerned.
They clearly want to trade him.
Everything is scattered and Denver is totally disorganized Everything I wrote above is verbatim or as close to it as possible.

FYI...

Thanks for transcribing and passing that along

[magnumt]

Ok...I see what you guys are saying. I mean, I highly doubt we're going to be Top 5 next year regardless of wether or not we add Melo, that was never my issue. I just wonder how or why the league would allow us to circumvent the rule by adding our own stipulation to the pick?

Top 5 Protection = Top 5 WORST Team, not best.

I know, I figured it was a given considering the context of our convo...thanks anyway.

Look at what you posted again.

How can it be a given what you were intending to imply. So you're saying that you think Melo+Amar'e+Felton+one of Gallo/Chandler/Fields = Top 5 WORSE Team in the NBA? ?

--Mags

[JCity723NYK]

Mike Francesca is talking Carmelo.
He is stating that the reports of the players mentioned are not accurate. Denver is not fully engaged yet. Denver is not saying to NY here is what we want. Denver is in a state of flux, not organized. They don't have a Donnie Walsh type GM to get things in order.
He is stating he has a good source and repeats that the players mentioned are not accurate as far as Knicks and Denver are concerned.
They clearly want to trade him.
Everything is scattered and Denver is totally disorganized Everything I wrote above is verbatim or as close to it as possible.

FYI...

I don't trust Mike Francesca's basketball sources, but I gotta say, that does sound very believable.

[onlyonesharky]

Who's Fatcessa's source? Brian Cashman?

lol yeah his sources are always right...."cliff lee 99% to the yanks," "no complications in jeters negotiations." in fact cashman said today that he expected problems with jeters contract negotiations, something the great fatcessa guaranteed there would be none of.

anyways he has NO sources, he doesnt know anything, if he knew ANYTHING it would be about the yankees, and clearly he doesnt even know that.

Funny you mention that. When he stated he had sources he kind of looked away from the mike and it gave me the impression that he felt he had to add that in to get some form of credibility.

[NoLayupRule]

Im really curious to see what will happen here.

its obvious that no one is gonna offer much for Carmelo since hes basically committed to NY this summer so Denver needs to deal with us. Sadly for them they have almost no bargaining power. but thats the reality.

it'll be interesting to see if they refuse to deal out of pride, disorganization or the desperate attempt to get one more playoff run out of the boys

I can see Billups, Carmelo, K-Mart, JR Smith and Nene all going elsewhere next year and Denver taking as hard a hit as Clev did this summer. Or harder

[swisscheeseD]

Look at what you posted again.

How can it be a given what you were intending to imply. So you're saying that you think Melo+Amar'e+Felton+one of Gallo/Chandler/Fields = Top 5 WORSE Team in the NBA? ?

--Mags

When I stated "Top 5" in the initial post, I was talking about a Top 5 pick...not Top 5 team in the league. I don't know where you come off assuming I think we are a "Top 5 WORST team in the NBA", I think there may be something lost in translation. Sorry if I didn't express my thoughts clearly enough for you. But its no reason to come off like a dick.

[magnumt]

Look at what you posted again.

How can it be a given what you were intending to imply. So you're saying that you think Melo+Amar'e+Felton+one of Gallo/Chandler/Fields = Top 5 WORSE Team in the NBA? ?

--Mags

When I stated "Top 5" in the initial post, I was talking about a Top 5 pick...not Top 5 team in the league. I don't know where you come off assuming I think we are a "Top 5 WORST team in the NBA", I think there may be something lost in translation. Sorry if I didn't express my thoughts clearly enough for you. But its no reason to come off like a dick.

Sensitive much?

I reask the same question: How can we be a Top 5 Pick without being a Top 5 worse Team in the NBA?

On top of that, how can we be a Top 5 Worse Team in the NBA with Felton+Amar'e+Melo+1 of Gallo/Fields/Chandler.

Simple questions being asked = not being a dick, but rather trying to point out a fallacy in your post. If I was trying to be a dick I'd have said:

Man the f'up and admit to the mistake in your post instead of trying to go around in circles in your original reply.

--Mags

[seren]

Denver management has to decide what direction they are going. If it will be a rebuild, they should start quick and get as many assets as possible. If not, they should shut down the rumors by stating they won't be making any moves. They are screwing nobody but themselves.

[swisscheeseD]

Sensitive much?

I reask the same question: How can we be a Top 5 Pick without being a Top 5 worse Team in the NBA?

On top of that, how can we be a Top 5 Worse Team in the NBA with Felton+Amar'e+Melo+1 of Gallo/Fields/Chandler.

Simple questions being asked = not being a dick, but rather trying to point out a fallacy in your post. If I was trying to be a dick I'd have said:

Man the f'up and admit to the mistake in your post instead of trying to go around in circles in your original reply.

--Mags

I'm not running circles, I just don't get where you are coming from? Where in my post does it suggest I believe we're a "Top 5 Worse" team? I said I highly doubt we'd be a Top 5 pick in 2012.

What do you care? I know you're a mod and all but you need to get off the high horse. Call me sensitive all you want, but I don't need my name quoted and associated with the words you are putting in my mouth. Either see where I'm coming from or just drop it. Again...sorry if I confused you, if I did...it was an honest mistake. Is it really that important?

[MKCATL]

Look at what you posted again.

How can it be a given what you were intending to imply. So you're saying that you think Melo+Amar'e+Felton+one of Gallo/Chandler/Fields = Top 5 WORSE Team in the NBA? ?

--Mags

When I stated "Top 5" in the initial post, I was talking about a Top 5 pick...not Top 5 team in the league. I don't know where you come off assuming I think we are a "Top 5 WORST team in the NBA", I think there may be something lost in translation. Sorry if I didn't express my thoughts clearly enough for you. But its no reason to come off like a dick.

Sensitive much?

I reask the same question: How can we be a Top 5 Pick without being a Top 5 worse Team in the NBA? I think there is this thing called the Lottery, not sure how it works though

On top of that, how can we be a Top 5 Worse Team in the NBA with Felton+Amar'e+Melo+1 of Gallo/Fields/Chandler. I don't think he ever stated that will will be top 5, he said I highly doubt it unless he edited his post

Simple questions being asked = not being a dick, but rather trying to point out a fallacy in your post. If I was trying to be a dick I'd have said:

Man the f'up and admit to the mistake in your post instead of trying to go around in circles in your original reply.

--Mags

[aggo]

well i hate mike and think he's full of rhetoric and really knows nothing about any sport other than football BUT

if you piece together the available c. lee info over the past few years, everything led to him being all about the money. And when the yanks show up with the biggest deal on the table, i'd probably say he's 99% going to the yanks too...

[knicks9784]

well i hate mike and think he's full of rhetoric and really knows nothing about any sport other than football BUT

if you piece together the available c. lee info over the past few years, everything led to him being all about the money. And when the yanks show up with the biggest deal on the table, i'd probably say he's 99% going to the yanks too...

right but you didnt pompously declare it on the radio for 6 months and claim to have yankee sources. my point was even if he says he has sources, he's not reliable. look up the LT rape thing too, when it happened he straight up fabricated having info from cops involved in the investigation to try and act like he was on top of the breaking news. i appreciate whoever it was posting the info, but i was just making the point (aggressively) that fatcessa isnt reliable in any way.

[Futureisnow]

Best thing about finding this forum is how much you guys have taught me about the cap. Granted everyone isn't right, but by sifting through the posts and looking at the person making the statement, it's possible to ascertain what's the truth and what isn't. Helpful because there's a certain mod out there saying we can't trade a pick until 2018 because of the conditions on the 2012 pick. Won't say any names though

[Context]

Denver management has to decide what direction they are going. If it will be a rebuild, they should start quick and get as many assets as possible. If not, they should shut down the rumors by stating they won't be making any moves. They are screwing nobody but themselves.

This post has intrigued further thought on the Denver situation. There is no equal or greater value in Denver going for a play-off run versus trading away Melo, Martin, Bill-ups, Smith and Nene for "Maximum value". Maximum value IMO is before the deadline.

1. Smith and Martin can be signed and traded for assets to a contender.
1a. Nene can be extended and traded for assets to another happy contender.
1c. Billups has an addition 1yr team option should he play well to said team; good for a late 1st
1d. And Melo can net you a fair package from the Knicks

2. The longer they wait the less value they receive.

3. Regardless of your personal opinion on the coming point... The chances of Denver getting through the first round are low and even if they do-what's the chances of them beating the Lakers? It's not high. Therefore, it's a huge gamble to take.

That being said, If Denver is smart- the fire sale begins before 2/24/2011

THOUGHTS????

[Leeroy Jenkins]

from nuggets board


http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=6057267

Chris Broussard mentions at about the 4:30 mark that Melo's people are starting to discuss if the Clippers would be a better landing spot for Carmelo than New York.

Kaman, Aminu, Bledsoe, and the Wolves pick would be about the best the Clips could and would offer. There's no way they move Gordon or Griffin.

Thoughts?

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Seems like Melo's people have more power than he does. His people decide where the best place for him is...

[NBA Fan 1234]

from nuggets board


http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=6057267

Chris Broussard mentions at about the 4:30 mark that Melo's people are starting to discuss if the Clippers would be a better landing spot for Carmelo than New York.

Kaman, Aminu, Bledsoe, and the Wolves pick would be about the best the Clips could and would offer. There's no way they move Gordon or Griffin.

Thoughts?




Seems like Melo's people have more power than he does. His people decide where the best place for him is...

If that were true, he would have ended up in NJ. He is his own man...he's gonna do what he wants. Nothing to worry about.