Official Melo Trade Thread: WOJ BOMB UPDATE PG 21: Will Waive NTC for HOU and CLE

[NewYorkPride85]

There is no way Houston is including Capella as the centerpiece of a Me7o deal.

I happen to agree. If they left him off the CP3 package. I have to assume he is a no go for a Melo package. We need to be realistic.

Unless we take back a horrible contract, I would have to agree as well

[Dantares]

I am good with shumpert, Frye, osman and a future 1st round pick. But that would put the Cavs well over the luxury tax and gilbert seems kind of cheap.

[xsaberx]

You see what teams got for Butler and PG? Now subtract 50% and that's Melo's value. They are not going to get much or everything they want in return. If you can get a good player OR expiring/shorter contracts OR assets, be glad. Melo won't have much value as he continues to decline.

Sure, but there is a difference between not getting much back and getting something worse back. Buying out Carmelo and just paying his full salary over the next two years is preferable to trading for Ryan Anderson and being stuck under that contract. Teams were asking for 2 1st round picks to be included with absorbing Anderson without sending back a player - Melo is worth more to the Rockets than nothing - they actually want Melo - that's why they are trying to move Anderson in the first place.

[Bill Pidto]

I really want to know what MDA thinks about the rumors of Houston acquiring Melo. Like didn't he just blame Melo for his coaching struggles here and his resignation?

Unless all that stuff was BS (which I don't think it was as there was way too much smoke not to be fire around) would Morey really put his COTY in the situation of dealing with a guy that he did not get along with before?

I'm wondering the same. But CP3 is a huge factor. I would imagine CP3 and Harden are campaigning for Melo if the Rox are really trying to get him. Maybe Mike D already signed off. Or maybe he's sh*tting his pants.

It should be obvious to Melo that if he goes there, he'll be the 3rd fiddle. Maybe Mike knows this time around shouldn't be as difficult to get Melo to buy in.

Good luck getting him to D up.

[Knicks_Fan2]

I really want to know what MDA thinks about the rumors of Houston acquiring Melo. Like didn't he just blame Melo for his coaching struggles here and his resignation?

Unless all that stuff was BS (which I don't think it was as there was way too much smoke not to be fire around) would Morey really put his COTY in the situation of dealing with a guy that he did not get along with before?

I'm wondering the same. But CP3 is a huge factor. I would imagine CP3 and Harden are campaigning for Melo if the Rox are really trying to get him. Maybe Mike D already signed off. Or maybe he's sh*tting his pants.

It should be obvious to Melo that if he goes there, he'll be the 3rd fiddle. Maybe Mike knows this time around shouldn't be as difficult to get Melo to buy in.

Good luck getting him to D up.

He plays average D at the 4, which is sufficient.

[swisscheeseD]

**** that terrible Cleveland deal as well.

If they don't want to pony up on Love, and Houston doesn't come to the table with anything worthwhile, give me Tristan Thompson, Osman and a pick.

He'd be a great look next to both Porzingis and Hernangomez, would be a Garden favorite and would round out our big rotation moving forward.

[thebuzzardman]

SMFMB is obviously MOBB connected. This man has been through it!!!!

The man has experience with the good, the bad, and the ugly. He's a Princeton kid too so he's no dummy so it sort of wouldn't surprise me if he actually learned from what he's been through.

There's a ton of Ivy league grads with no common sense.

Mills is good at one thing and that is being smart enough to shine Dolan's bunghole, which is how to go far at MSG.

[putiger78]

There is no way Houston is including Capella as the centerpiece of a Me7o deal.

I happen to agree. If they left him off the CP3 package. I have to assume he is a no go for a Melo package. We need to be realistic.

Unless we take back a horrible contract, I would have to agree as well

Yeah they are really high on Capella and they probably view him as borderline untouchable (especially now that they have no front court depth).They aren't trading him, at least not for Melo even if we take both bad contracts (if you consider Gordon one).

[Appleshampoo]

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6899320

Knicks outgoing = Carmelo Anthony
Knicks incoming = Channing Frye : draft rights to Guerschon Yabusele :draft rights to Semi Ojeleye : 2018 LAL 1st rd pick 2-5 protected : LAC 2019 1st rd pick

Boston outgoing = Marcus Smart : draft rights to Guerschon Yabusele :draft rights to Semi Ojeleye : 2018 LAL 1st rd pick 2-5 protected : LAC 2019 1st rd pick
Boston incoming = Kevin Love

Cleveland outgoing = Kevin Love : Channing Frye
Cleveland incoming = Carmelo Anthony : Marcus Smart

The Knicks move Carmelo and get a stretch 4 to back up KP + picks + a french stash pick + Ojeleye (Duke recruit transferred to SMU)

Boston gets Kevin Love without breaking up their core of Avery Bradley : Jae Crowder : Al Hortford : Isiah Thomas

Cleveland gets Carmelo Anthony and Marcus Smart to back up Kyrie and play the Dellavedova role.

who says no? If Ainge balks at giving up picks you can counter with LAC 2019 pick + 2 second rounders instead of 2018 LAL 1st

Boston says no, but I'd dance in the streets if this went through. Possibly you get them on board with less coming to the Knicks in picks, but it would be an interesting negotiation. Cleveland and Boston are the clear top class of the East...how motivated will they really be to engage in a blockbuster trade with each other?

I think the idea someone proposed with Cleveland and Portland on the last page is interesting. I think there is a wildcard team in the the West, like Portland, who could help facilitate a trade with Cleveland. I have a hard time imagining a trade with CLE and BOS, but that would be fascinating if it happened.

Cleveland and Boston have to take a good hard look if they can improve their teams without giving up much assets. I think that's what this trade presents to them. For the sake off moving on from Melo, drop the LAL pick and just get the Clippers 2019 pick. I do not see how Ainge basically passes on Marcus Smart + a pick for Kevin Love.

[jstudabaka]

They know we want to dump Melo but we are not going to settle. Mills isn't going to take back a bad contract if we aren't getting young assets or picks back with it.

Um, we have plenty of leverage. This is the team that paid tens of millions of dollars to Stephon Marbury and Eddy Curry while they were off in the Bermuda triangle for all intents and purposes. If the Cavs or Rockets can't make trading Melo worth our while and provide at least some positive asset in a deal, we can very easily let Melo collect DNP's for two years as he watches the sunset of his primep. That's preferable to taking on Ryan Anderson's contract without a good sweetener.

Basically, I'm thinking Anderson + 2 1st's from Houston, or they can gtfo

no we can not. We can't sit a healthy melo. What you are suggesting is not an option. we might get a number 1/2 second rounders with anderson. No way we are getting 2.

I realize sitting a healthy Melo is problematic with the players association and such -- in which case I'm fine with playing Melo as much as his performance and competence dictates. But the bottom line is, the Knicks should not and can not take on more bad long-term commitments in any Melo deal without legitimate compensation. One first-rounder from Houston is not enough to take on Anderson. At the very least, the Knicks should get a 1st and a pick-swap. Otherwise, just let Melo play out his contract. If he's so miserable, he is free to exercise his ETO after next year.

[NOOB77]

Anderson plus NGC and picks. This would save NY around 6 mil a year which would allow them to make that big offer to Hill

[drekwins]

So since we're not talking Anderson. I want to see what you guys come up with. The answer is nothing.

This is going to be terrible negotiations without a third team.

Here's the trade boys:

Anderson
Ariza
Capela
Kelly
Long
Onuaku
Qaurterman
Taylor

For

Melo
Noah

This works under the cap. We do a wink-wink deal where we agree to buyout Ariza's 1 year deal. He'll go back to Houston. We get 23 year old Capela to add to out team full of centers and look for a destination for Anderson. In the meantime, we look for destinations for Anderson, Lee and OQuinn.

that doesn't work under the CBA...you can't trade a guy and then sign him back within the calendar year I believe. It prevents shady sh*t like this happening.

BTW, you were right. It's 1 year.

[IllmaticHandler]

MOAR WINGSPAN PLEASE. Fucck everything else. Mills pulls that off. Build him a statue. That is all.

Do you think they'd actually move Capela though? MAYBE if we attach KOQ to the deal, but Capela does SO much for Rockets. Rim protector, moves the floor excellently, and a top PnR finisher in the NBA.

Bro. Its not about what I think they would do. Its what I want from them if possible. Nothing more. Nothing Less.

[drekwins]

There is no way Houston is including Capella as the centerpiece of a Me7o deal.

I happen to agree. If they left him off the CP3 package. I have to assume he is a no go for a Melo package. We need to be realistic.

Unless we take back a horrible contract, I would have to agree as well

I think the really only option is to be open with Melo. Let's settle this now or plan for him to be here. We have to go to him with the list of teams that are most preferrable for us. Let's be real. No 3rd team is taking Ryan Anderson. Anderson + Gordon + 4 of their minimum salaries would work under the cap in a deal for Noah and Melo. However, that's not even a great deal for either side.

We need Melo to open his mind up to Boston, Toronto, Washington and possibly some other destinations. Otherwise, this is going nowhere real fast.

[thebuzzardman]

**** that terrible Cleveland deal as well.

If they don't want to pony up on Love, and Houston doesn't come to the table with anything worthwhile, give me Tristan Thompson, Osman and a pick.

He'd be a great look next to both Porzingis and Hernangomez, would be a Garden favorite and would round out our big rotation moving forward.

I thought the deal sucked as well, but it reduces Salary as Chump isn't paid that much (2 years, same as Melo) Frye is 1 year, get the euro kid and a pick

It's about getting worse next year and some assets.

I don't want the Knicks getting value back for Melo in terms of anyone who helps with wins now. The future? Absolutely. Shump would be an excellent starting SG for the Knicks, as he'd singlehandedly lose about 5 games with his horrid shooting. No Melo = -5 wins, adding Chump = -5 wins.

I'm in.

[drekwins]

**** that terrible Cleveland deal as well.

If they don't want to pony up on Love, and Houston doesn't come to the table with anything worthwhile, give me Tristan Thompson, Osman and a pick.

He'd be a great look next to both Porzingis and Hernangomez, would be a Garden favorite and would round out our big rotation moving forward.

I thought the deal sucked as well, but it reduces Salary as Chump isn't paid that much (2 years, same as Melo) Frye is 1 year, get the euro kid and a pick

It's about getting worse next year and some assets.

I don't want the Knicks getting value back for Melo in terms of anyone who helps with wins now. The future? Absolutely. Shump would be an excellent starting SG for the Knicks, as he'd singlehandedly lose about 5 games with his horrid shooting. No Melo = -5 wins, adding Chump = -5 wins.

I'm in.

If they'd agree to a future pick and an option for a swap, I'd do it. Most preferrably, I'd want a pick in 2019 and swap rights in 2020.

[JustCame]

We're not getting Capela. Let's drop that thought.

They need Capela, especially with Harden and Melo in the lineup.

[thebuzzardman]

We're not getting Capela. Let's drop that thought.

They need Capela, especially with Harden and Melo in the lineup.

Hell, he might lead the league in blocks

[NOOB77]

I wonder what Anderson would fetch in terms of players. I know they were trying to dump him for pure cap space and were unsuccessful that doesn't mean he cant be moved. I saw someone mention Tobias Harris ect. I assume Anderson + NGC or Rookie Contracts + Pick or Picks. Would be interesting if we can route Anderson for something we may value more but on similar type deal.

[NOOB77]

We're not getting Capela. Let's drop that thought.

They need Capela, especially with Harden and Melo in the lineup.

Hell, he might lead the league in blocks

Melo will be fine on defense he will be a full time 4 there as they have Ariza and Tucker for the 3. Not great defender but fine.