FA/Trade Rumors & Discussion - Durant, Kyrie, AD, etc

[Lord Commander]

lol @ celtics pleading with NO to wait until summer.

crazy to think they'd splurge to rent him.

Yea, if I'm Ainge and I know we're out of the picture, I'd root hard for AD to stay in the west. Otherwise, the Knicks are gonna be a problem for me.

[shtolky]

Zion is not Wiggins. You don't trade that type of talent on a rookie contract. Even for AD.

So you wouldn't trade Zion for AD, Giannis, Embiid (assuming he was healthy), etc. since those guys aren't on rookie deals? That's crazy. AD is a generational talent who has proven that year after year. The lack of playoff success is almost irrelevant because it's clear he's an all timer and he's just 25. Pair him with two other superstars and the Knicks are winning titles, plural. If all it took to get AD was Zion, I'd personally drive Zion to New Orleans myself.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Hypothetically, if I'm trading Zion, I'm not trading the rest of my assets. A deal centered around him, with a couple of picks and young player should be enough.
I feel the Lakers need to give all those assets up due to being in the same conference and the individual parts aren't that great.

agreed. i would look to minimize the depth out.

but NO is going to want an epic haul for AD. and they're right to. and i wouldn't look the horse in the mouth too hard in the negotiation process.

[K_ick_God]

Not only do the Knicks have 4 picks but they have the best 4 of any other trade partners.

[whocares1]

Zion is not Wiggins. You don't trade that type of talent on a rookie contract. Even for AD.

how do any of us know that? wiggins is a great example against your point in that he was perceived a generational talent too. then the NBA happened.

Wiggins is a toothpick in his 4th or 5th year in the league. He hasn’t shown the passion behind his talent. Zion isn’t just an athletic freak, he’s a great ball handler and passer. Zion is a way better prospect than Wiggins ever was.

[BeagleBoss]

Zion is not Wiggins. You don't trade that type of talent on a rookie contract. Even for AD.

how do any of us know that? wiggins is a great example against your point in that he was perceived a generational talent too. then the NBA happened.

Was he? I honestly cannot remember Wiggins having as much hype as Zion. I just don't like the idea of trading a talent like Zion. I think he's a can't miss prospect. You're asking for bad karma. Now, if it's Barrett or Morant, we can talk.

[kane2021]

You get Zion and stand pat. Forget about AD. Besides. If we could get him he’d already be here.


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[Lord Commander]

Zion is not Wiggins. You don't trade that type of talent on a rookie contract. Even for AD.

So you wouldn't trade Zion for AD, Giannis, Embiid (assuming he was healthy), etc. since those guys aren't on rookie deals? That's crazy. AD is a generational talent who has proven that year after year. The lack of playoff success is almost irrelevant because it's clear he's an all timer and he's just 25. Pair him with two other superstars and the Knicks are winning titles, plural. If all it took to get AD was Zion, I'd personally drive Zion to New Orleans myself.

I'd agree with you if AD was more durable. He hasn't demonstrated that he can consistently stay on the floor. When he plays, he's a HOF lock for sure.

[Stannis]

Not gonna lie.. it would be an extremely tough decision for me deciding on keeping Zion or trading for AD if it came to that

Anthony Davis is not a completely proven Superstar

He's not?

Well I said that because lot of people will give him crap for not carrying the Pelicans to the playoffs every year and not winning enough playoff games. It's a fair criticism. Maybe he's not a superstar that can carry a team and make his teammates overachieve.

But if you have him as a 2nd/3rd option, that is just unreal and unfair.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Zion is not Wiggins. You don't trade that type of talent on a rookie contract. Even for AD.

how do any of us know that? wiggins is a great example against your point in that he was perceived a generational talent too. then the NBA happened.

Was he? I honestly cannot remember Wiggins having as much hype as Zion. I just don't like the idea of trading a talent like Zion. I think he's a can't miss prospect. You're asking for bad karma. Now, if it's Barrett or Morant, we can talk.

we don't remember him fondly in hindsight. wiggins had a major can't-miss hype train. "riggin for wiggins" was a thing. and he just didn't pan out.

i'm not comparing him to zion. i strongly believe zion will not only pan out, but be special. i'm just saying people felt the same way about wiggins. he has been a massive disappointment despite being "only" a solid (and overpaid) pro.

[Fury]

You get Zion and stand pat. Forget about AD. Besides. If we could get him he’d already be here.


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Hypothetical: Kyrie and Durant are ready to come here but only if we trade Zion for AD. Would you do it?

[K_ick_God]

It would be good to see the Lakers drain all their assets for him.

As long as we still get KD and Kyrie.

[Rasho Brezec]

Pelicans shouldn't make any deal with the Lakers. String them along until trade deadline, then ship him off somewhere else or keep him and not play him.

Funny how you advocate pettiness to the max when it comes to AD but when it comes to your brethren KP you advocate a franchise caving in to him (and his brother's) beck and call. And when the franchise refuses to do that, you are critical of the franchise (Knicks), the city (NYC), and it's fan base (us).

#foh

When did I advocate caving in to him? Don't be a liar.

[BeagleBoss]

You get Zion and stand pat. Forget about AD. Besides. If we could get him he’d already be here.


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Hypothetical: Kyrie and Durant are ready to come here but only if we trade Zion for AD. Would you do it?

In that case, yes. Gotta do it.

[Jeff Van Gully]

You get Zion and stand pat. Forget about AD. Besides. If we could get him he’d already be here.


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nah. you wait to trade for AD. don't empty the cupboard until you've used your cap space on 2 max he could be added to.

but i completely understand just rolling with zion. i am torn, honestly. 51% in the trade for AD camp.

[shtolky]

Zion is not Wiggins. You don't trade that type of talent on a rookie contract. Even for AD.

So you wouldn't trade Zion for AD, Giannis, Embiid (assuming he was healthy), etc. since those guys aren't on rookie deals? That's crazy. AD is a generational talent who has proven that year after year. The lack of playoff success is almost irrelevant because it's clear he's an all timer and he's just 25. Pair him with two other superstars and the Knicks are winning titles, plural. If all it took to get AD was Zion, I'd personally drive Zion to New Orleans myself.

I'd agree with you if AD was more durable. He hasn't demonstrated that he can consistently stay on the floor. When he plays, he's a HOF lock for sure.

It's the one concern about him, sure. However, he usually has little nagging injuries that don't keep him out a long time. Past two years he played in 75 games each season. Correct me if I am wrong but he hasn't had any huge major injuries yet. But the concern is real. I would take the gamble though if it just cost me Zion. He's arguably the most coveted trade asset in the league since Kareem.

[Stannis]

You get Zion and stand pat. Forget about AD. Besides. If we could get him he’d already be here.


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nah. you wait to trade for AD. don't empty the cupboard until you've used your cap space on 2 max he could be added to.

but i completely understand just rolling with zion. i am torn, honestly. 51% in the trade for AD camp.

Kane's not wrong though. Knicks already tried to get AD and got rejected. So it makes me question how confident Perry/Mills really are in getting Kyrie + Durant.

[Stannis]

Yea, that's the one thing I wouldn't like about giving up Zion for AD. I think Zion + Picks is a more than fair deal. But the Knicks will have to add key prospects like Frank, Dennis, Knox, and/or Mitch. Not because they have to offer a better package, but because they need to match salaries, which just seems unlucky. If the Knicks have to give up assets/prospects, I would like to hold onto more picks.

[BowlRips]

Celtics pursuing AD, “regardless” of Irving’s decision is an insult to Kyrie also because that means Boston is fine with just matching Rozier’s offer, dealing players like Tatum & Brown & still feel like it’s a better team than currently constructed.

They need to say whatever they need to say in order to hold back the Pelicans from making this trade at the deadline.
Thats the thing, If i was the Pels GM, do I trust Danny Ainge to make me that mammoth offer in June. I personally wouldn't

[shtolky]

You get Zion and stand pat. Forget about AD. Besides. If we could get him he’d already be here.


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nah. you wait to trade for AD. don't empty the cupboard until you've used your cap space on 2 max he could be added to.

but i completely understand just rolling with zion. i am torn, honestly. 51% in the trade for AD camp.

Kane's not wrong though. Knicks already tried to get AD and got rejected. So it makes me question how confident Perry/Mills really are in getting Kyrie + Durant.

How are those two related? New Orleans controls whether or not we get AD now. KD and Kyrie get to decide what they want to do in free agency, they don't need permission from their teams to leave. I think the two are unrelated.