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Re: OT: The official Coronavirus fear mongering thread 

Post#701 » by Little Italia » Wed Mar 18, 2020 7:56 am

You expect Americans to stay inside for 2 years? Not gonna happen.

We are just going to have to put up with this virus. The economy and life have to go on.
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Number of U.S. fatalities is projected to be 400,000+ This virus has to move us to change our healthcare model. We are not prepared.

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Re: OT: The official Coronavirus fear mongering thread 

Post#702 » by spree8 » Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:39 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:My sauces are saying this is a 2 year pandemic and that it’ll be in waves. I’d invest heavily in the internet porn business.

Number of U.S. fatalities is projected to be 400,000+ This virus has to move us to change our healthcare model. We are not prepared.

Stay inside.



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Let’s hope they factored in the 3-4 months that have passed and this is only an estimated 14-15 months worst case (and maybe 6-8 months best case). Let’s also hope the vaccine is being fast tracked (which from reports I’ve seen is possible due to the type of virus this is, it isn’t the normal 12-18 months.. I’ll try to find the study to post on here) and we only need to wait a max of 6 more months. Let’s also hope we can flatten this curve asap with help of doctors from all over the country (family practice ones too assisting in the ER) and the military.

There’s models being posted with crazy death toll numbers that they’re arriving at with this country not doing anything... that’s fear mongering at its finest... we are doing something, let’s just hope the governors and mayors can pick up the heavy slack left by the White House... like this...

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Re: OT: The official Coronavirus fear mongering thread 

Post#703 » by Rasho Brezec » Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:04 am

I don't think people realize how serious this is. If you're over 80, it's very likely you're going to die in the next two years. If you have pre-existing heart, respiratory or neurological condition, same.
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Post#704 » by thebuzzardman » Wed Mar 18, 2020 12:15 pm

Rasho Brezec wrote:I don't think people realize how serious this is. If you're over 80, it's very likely you're going to die in the next two years. If you have pre-existing heart, respiratory or neurological condition, same.


Not fair how you are playing the odds here. A lot of those people would be dying anyway.

In all seriousness, I agree.

Also, there are the people who will die in certain areas when the hospitals become overwhelmed and they die of other conditions.
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Post#705 » by Stannis » Wed Mar 18, 2020 1:20 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:My sauces are saying this is a 2 year pandemic and that it’ll be in waves. I’d invest heavily in the internet porn business.

Number of U.S. fatalities is projected to be 400,000+ This virus has to move us to change our healthcare model. We are not prepared.

Stay inside.

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Post#706 » by LordCovington33 » Wed Mar 18, 2020 1:35 pm

Stannis wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:My sauces are saying this is a 2 year pandemic and that it’ll be in waves. I’d invest heavily in the internet porn business.

Number of U.S. fatalities is projected to be 400,000+ This virus has to move us to change our healthcare model. We are not prepared.

Stay inside.

Pornhub and Xvideos need to go public

pornhub has given Italians free access to the premium section for the lockdown.
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Post#707 » by Knick4Real » Wed Mar 18, 2020 1:54 pm

I just read an interesting article that pretty much sums things up realistically:

WHAT WE KNEW AS NORMAL IS NOW DEAD!

The thing most people are forgetting is that this virus will thrive until a vaccine is created -- which means the thought of the world shutting down for 2 weeks and then magically going back to before is a pipe dream.

For possibly more than A YEAR, people will have to practice social distancing in order to prevent spread of the virus or to not contract it themselves. Since there aren't always symptoms, we won't be able to mix like we've done before because nobody will know who has it and who doesn't. That means packing MSG to watch a live game is over. Going to a Broadway show is over. Traveling on a plane is over. Unless they can separate society into who has it and who doesn't, we can't go back to our lives 10 days ago until we all get a vaccine and the virus is eradicated.

Here's an excerpt of the article:

WE'RE NOT GOING BACK TO NORMAL

To stop coronavirus we will need to radically change almost everything we do: how we work, exercise, socialize, shop, manage our health, educate our kids, take care of family members.

We all want things to go back to normal quickly. But what most of us have probably not yet realized—yet will soon—is that things won’t go back to normal after a few weeks, or even a few months. Some things never will.

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Living in a state of pandemic
In the short term, this will be hugely damaging to businesses that rely on people coming together in large numbers: restaurants, cafes, bars, nightclubs, gyms, hotels, theaters, cinemas, art galleries, shopping malls, craft fairs, museums, musicians and other performers, sporting venues (and sports teams), conference venues (and conference producers), cruise lines, airlines, public transportation, private schools, day-care centers. That’s to say nothing of the stresses on parents thrust into home-schooling their kids, people trying to care for elderly relatives without exposing them to the virus, people trapped in abusive relationships, and anyone without a financial cushion to deal with swings in income.


It's really worth a read!

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/615370/coronavirus-pandemic-social-distancing-18-months/?utm_source=digg&utm_medium=email
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Re: OT: The official Coronavirus fear mongering thread 

Post#708 » by Rasho Brezec » Wed Mar 18, 2020 1:56 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
Rasho Brezec wrote:I don't think people realize how serious this is. If you're over 80, it's very likely you're going to die in the next two years. If you have pre-existing heart, respiratory or neurological condition, same.


Not fair how you are playing the odds here. A lot of those people would be dying anyway.

In all seriousness, I agree.

Also, there are the people who will die in certain areas when the hospitals become overwhelmed and they die of other conditions.

Italian regions who are most affected right now have a cut-off rate for intensive care. If you're over a certain age, they won't even bother hooking you up on ventilators because it's likely it won't help and they're better off saving it for someone younger with better odds.
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Re: OT: The official Coronavirus fear mongering thread 

Post#709 » by Kampuchea » Wed Mar 18, 2020 2:00 pm

Rasho Brezec wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
Rasho Brezec wrote:I don't think people realize how serious this is. If you're over 80, it's very likely you're going to die in the next two years. If you have pre-existing heart, respiratory or neurological condition, same.


Not fair how you are playing the odds here. A lot of those people would be dying anyway.

In all seriousness, I agree.

Also, there are the people who will die in certain areas when the hospitals become overwhelmed and they die of other conditions.

Italian regions who are most affected right now have a cut-off rate for intensive care. If you're over a certain age, they won't even bother hooking you up on ventilators because it's likely it won't help and they're better off saving it for someone younger with better odds.


Not sure it "likely won't help" as the stats show 85% survival for over 80-year-olds.
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Post#710 » by Stannis » Wed Mar 18, 2020 2:09 pm

Rasho Brezec wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
Rasho Brezec wrote:I don't think people realize how serious this is. If you're over 80, it's very likely you're going to die in the next two years. If you have pre-existing heart, respiratory or neurological condition, same.


Not fair how you are playing the odds here. A lot of those people would be dying anyway.

In all seriousness, I agree.

Also, there are the people who will die in certain areas when the hospitals become overwhelmed and they die of other conditions.

Italian regions who are most affected right now have a cut-off rate for intensive care. If you're over a certain age, they won't even bother hooking you up on ventilators because it's likely it won't help and they're better off saving it for someone younger with better odds.


Damn. This is like a modern Dark Ages.
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Post#711 » by gavran » Wed Mar 18, 2020 2:28 pm

Stannis wrote:
Rasho Brezec wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
Not fair how you are playing the odds here. A lot of those people would be dying anyway.

In all seriousness, I agree.

Also, there are the people who will die in certain areas when the hospitals become overwhelmed and they die of other conditions.

Italian regions who are most affected right now have a cut-off rate for intensive care. If you're over a certain age, they won't even bother hooking you up on ventilators because it's likely it won't help and they're better off saving it for someone younger with better odds.


Damn. This is like a modern Dark Ages.


There wasn't a pre-modern dark ages.
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Post#712 » by Rasho Brezec » Wed Mar 18, 2020 2:37 pm

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Rasho Brezec wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
Not fair how you are playing the odds here. A lot of those people would be dying anyway.

In all seriousness, I agree.

Also, there are the people who will die in certain areas when the hospitals become overwhelmed and they die of other conditions.

Italian regions who are most affected right now have a cut-off rate for intensive care. If you're over a certain age, they won't even bother hooking you up on ventilators because it's likely it won't help and they're better off saving it for someone younger with better odds.


Not sure it "likely won't help" as the stats show 85% survival for over 80-year-olds.

And younger age groups have larger survival rate so they get priority. That's why daily newspapers went from 1 page of obituaries to 10.
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Post#713 » by Kampuchea » Wed Mar 18, 2020 2:49 pm

If the survival rate is 85% for over 80-year-olds why are they likely to die? Not that you love 15% odds of death, I just did not think 15% is "likely." In fact, I have seen more recent figures suggesting it is even lower than 15% down below 10%.

Unless you are saying the hospital is not providing you care so your odds increase substantially? Please let me know where you are finding this

Here is what I am using

Source 1 Imperial College London (9.3%) - (See page 5/20)
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf

Source 2 CDC (14.8%) - CHina
https://www.businessinsider.com/italy-coronavirus-old-population-cases-death-rate-2020-3

Source 3 (14.8%)- Worldometers
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/
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Post#714 » by Kampuchea » Wed Mar 18, 2020 2:50 pm

Rasho Brezec wrote:
Kampuchea wrote:
Rasho Brezec wrote:Italian regions who are most affected right now have a cut-off rate for intensive care. If you're over a certain age, they won't even bother hooking you up on ventilators because it's likely it won't help and they're better off saving it for someone younger with better odds.


Not sure it "likely won't help" as the stats show 85% survival for over 80-year-olds.

And younger age groups have larger survival rate so they get priority. That's why daily newspapers went from 1 page of obituaries to 10.


Ok, that I understand.

They just can't be telling people they are likely to die anyway so they won't help them, that is just a lie.
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Post#715 » by Rasho Brezec » Wed Mar 18, 2020 2:55 pm

Kampuchea wrote:
Rasho Brezec wrote:
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Not sure it "likely won't help" as the stats show 85% survival for over 80-year-olds.

And younger age groups have larger survival rate so they get priority. That's why daily newspapers went from 1 page of obituaries to 10.


Ok, that I understand.

They just can't be telling people they are likely to die anyway so they won't help them, that is just a lie.

It's about prioritizing care to help those with better survival odds.

https://www.politico.eu/article/coronavirus-italy-doctors-tough-calls-survival/
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Post#716 » by Zenzibar » Wed Mar 18, 2020 2:55 pm

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Post#717 » by thebuzzardman » Wed Mar 18, 2020 3:24 pm

Rasho Brezec wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
Rasho Brezec wrote:I don't think people realize how serious this is. If you're over 80, it's very likely you're going to die in the next two years. If you have pre-existing heart, respiratory or neurological condition, same.


Not fair how you are playing the odds here. A lot of those people would be dying anyway.

In all seriousness, I agree.

Also, there are the people who will die in certain areas when the hospitals become overwhelmed and they die of other conditions.

Italian regions who are most affected right now have a cut-off rate for intensive care. If you're over a certain age, they won't even bother hooking you up on ventilators because it's likely it won't help and they're better off saving it for someone younger with better odds.


I'm aware of that through the news and also through friends in the area
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Post#718 » by Deeeez Knicks » Wed Mar 18, 2020 3:33 pm

South Korea offers hope

Amid these dire trends, South Korea has emerged as a sign of hope and a model to emulate. The country of 50 million appears to have greatly slowed its epidemic; it reported only 74 new cases today, down from 909 at its peak on 29 February. And it has done so without locking down entire cities or taking some of the other authoritarian measures that helped China bring its epidemic under control. “South Korea is a democratic republic, we feel a lockdown is not a reasonable choice,” says Kim Woo-Joo, an infectious disease specialist at Korea University. South Korea’s success may hold lessons for other countries—and also a warning: Even after driving case numbers down, the country is braced for a resurgence.

Behind its success so far has been the most expansive and well-organized testing program in the world, combined with extensive efforts to isolate infected people and trace and quarantine their contacts. South Korea has tested more than 270,000 people, which amounts to more than 5200 tests per million inhabitants—more than any other country except tiny Bahrain, according to the Worldometer website. The United States has so far carried out 74 tests per 1 million inhabitants, data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention show.

South Korea’s experience shows that “diagnostic capacity at scale is key to epidemic control,” says Raina MacIntyre, an emerging infectious disease scholar at the University of New South Wales, Sydney. “Contact tracing is also very influential in epidemic control, as is case isolation,” she says.


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Post#719 » by Capn'O » Wed Mar 18, 2020 3:43 pm

LordCovington33 wrote:I have been sick for a week with breathing difficulties, sore throat and muscle fatigue, but no fever. So stressful. I could not get a corona test as I do not meet the criteria, but got the very horrible nasal swab from a local physician. I came back positive with human rhinovirus. A freaking relief.


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Post#720 » by DOT » Wed Mar 18, 2020 3:58 pm

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LordCovington33 wrote:I have been sick for a week with breathing difficulties, sore throat and muscle fatigue, but no fever. So stressful. I could not get a corona test as I do not meet the criteria, but got the very horrible nasal swab from a local physician. I came back positive with human rhinovirus. A freaking relief.


I can confirm that being otherwise sick right now is SUPER stressful.

I have really bad spring allergies, so now every time I sneeze or blow my nose, I just think "well, this is it"
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