OT: Cops kill George Floyd

[Kampuchea]

Enough people think like this and you get 4 more years of Trump. In this SPECIFIC presidential election

It has been a conflict for me. Trump is despicable while Biden is just corrupt, he is definitely less hate-worth than Trump. It is so difficult to throw support behind Biden, I could barely stomach voting for Hillary but I was able to force myself to do it.

Please choke down the awful medicine one more time for Biden. He's not ideal, we are in agreement.

He might not even live out the term. 4 years will go quick. Fill congress with a progressive coalition.

Considering it like a Knicks rebuild. Ok, maybe don't do that.

My point on the rebuild, is don't go "all in, solve it all at once" in this "FA period".

Get the incremental improvement and build from there. Take that 3 year rebuild (that next congressional election)

That's my take.

I do understand that point of it, I am now in a Blue state so would be safe anyway.

When I voted for Hillary I was a Florida voter. Maybe I should have left my registration there

[Pointgod]

Here we go...

Read on Twitter

Two things. This doesn’t happen without protests so all the jackasses that chose to focus on riots and looters can STFU. Second how are people against a national standard that takes the investigation of cops who kill unarmed people out of the hands of the local DA and to State or Federal attorneys?

[thebuzzardman]

It has been a conflict for me. Trump is despicable while Biden is just corrupt, he is definitely less hate-worth than Trump. It is so difficult to throw support behind Biden, I could barely stomach voting for Hillary but I was able to force myself to do it.

Please choke down the awful medicine one more time for Biden. He's not ideal, we are in agreement.

He might not even live out the term. 4 years will go quick. Fill congress with a progressive coalition.

Considering it like a Knicks rebuild. Ok, maybe don't do that.

My point on the rebuild, is don't go "all in, solve it all at once" in this "FA period".

Get the incremental improvement and build from there. Take that 3 year rebuild (that next congressional election)

That's my take.

I do understand that point of it, I am now in a Blue state so would be safe anyway.

When I voted for Hillary I was a Florida voter. Maybe I should have left my registration there

Cool. Good to hear. Too bad on the Florida thing!

[Deeeez Knicks]

It has been a conflict for me. Trump is despicable while Biden is just corrupt, he is definitely less hate-worth than Trump. It is so difficult to throw support behind Biden, I could barely stomach voting for Hillary but I was able to force myself to do it.

Please choke down the awful medicine one more time for Biden. He's not ideal, we are in agreement.

He might not even live out the term. 4 years will go quick. Fill congress with a progressive coalition.

Considering it like a Knicks rebuild. Ok, maybe don't do that.

My point on the rebuild, is don't go "all in, solve it all at once" in this "FA period".

Get the incremental improvement and build from there. Take that 3 year rebuild (that next congressional election)

That's my take.

I do understand that point of it, I am now in a Blue state so would be safe anyway.

When I voted for Hillary I was a Florida voter. Maybe I should have left my registration there

Speaking of which

Read on Twitter

[Fat Kat]

Read on Twitter

Found this

https://www.phillyvoice.com/former-philly-cop-nazi-tattoo-ian-hans-lichterman-navy-yard-police/

This is disturbing stuff

The roster already included an officer – Howard “Doc” Giles – who was investigated for inappropriate behavior and viewing child pornography as chief of a department in Iowa more than 15 years ago and a captain – Shane Daly – who was permanently barred from law enforcement work in New Jersey after pleading guilty to charges that he stole items from the USS New Jersey in the wake of the 9/11 attacks.

These muffagahs aren’t qualified to mow my lawn.

[El Poochio]

I was thinking what I have been thinking before is being verified, since there hasnt been any sports to brainwash the masses people now go up against inequalities

We should actually stop watching sports all together, I know its hard since we have been addicted for so long, but imagine all that money going around were used to help tackle poverty around the world

[robillionaire]

You're not very bright

I actually agree with him and I’m in NY and voting 3rd Party. I don’t support Biden or anything he stands for. But recent events have proven that Trump is in fact a dire threat to humanity that needs to be removed. So I won’t even question or shame anyone that votes for Biden. And if I lived in a swing state I would have to consider voting for him. Not because I like anything about him or think much will change for the better, in fact I would oppose him from day 1 of taking office, but because Trump is on another level of evil to where even I can’t pretend they’re exactly the same anymore. And yes it is fascism. If it’s illegal for me to call it that now so be it. Turning the military on his own people, attacking those peaceful protesters with brute force so he could get his bible photo op, if that doesn’t terrify you you are in a deep denial of where we are heading. His supporters are all for that and I don’t expect them to care but they have to be stopped.

If you are in a solid blue state, then cast that protest vote. And I mean, like Cali or NY blue. Other than that, in THIS VERY SPECIFIC INSTANCE, I think it's a bad stance.

Sure, Biden is too close to being a neoliberal blah blah blah, etc etc. (true enough, not disagreeing)

I don't care. Trump with a referendum that he was re-elected, and with no re-election to worry about inhibiting him in the slighest? That is an absolutely terrifying prospect.

I'm going to get Biden in, because that's how our non-Parliamentary system works right now.
Will I vote for progressives every chance I get "downticket" ? Yes
Will I vote for more progressive candidates in the next primary in 4 years and/or back a 3rd party candidate for president in 4 years? Sure.
But not now, and not if I live in a state that might even remotely go Trump. I live in Virginia now, and it's mostly gone blue, but it's more purple and I'm personally not chancing it.

Eh, that's pretty much how I feel after this week. Things have changed.

[Fat Kat]

Enough people think like this and you get 4 more years of Trump. In this SPECIFIC presidential election

It has been a conflict for me. Trump is despicable while Biden is just corrupt, he is definitely less hate-worth than Trump. It is so difficult to throw support behind Biden, I could barely stomach voting for Hillary but I was able to force myself to do it.

Please choke down the awful medicine one more time for Biden. He's not ideal, we are in agreement.

He might not even live out the term. 4 years will go quick. Fill congress with a progressive coalition.

Considering it like a Knicks rebuild. Ok, maybe don't do that.

My point on the rebuild, is don't go "all in, solve it all at once" in this "FA period".

Get the incremental improvement and build from there. Take that 3 year rebuild (that next congressional election)

That's my take.

Agreed. And this is coming from someone that prescribes to Malcolm’s “the Fox and the Wolf” line of thinking.

[robillionaire]

Here we go...

Read on Twitter

Two things. This doesn’t happen without protests so all the jackasses that chose to focus on riots and looters can STFU. Second how are people against a national standard that takes the investigation of cops who kill unarmed people out of the hands of the local DA and to State or Federal attorneys?

shout it to the rooftops

also, the idea sounds good but what if you have local DA and local community who want to investigate but state and federal attorneys don't leaving the community upset, it seems like it has potential to backfire, admittedly I haven't looked into it so I'm not sure if that's addressed or not

[DOT]

Please choke down the awful medicine one more time for Biden. He's not ideal, we are in agreement.

He might not even live out the term. 4 years will go quick. Fill congress with a progressive coalition.

Considering it like a Knicks rebuild. Ok, maybe don't do that.

My point on the rebuild, is don't go "all in, solve it all at once" in this "FA period".

Get the incremental improvement and build from there. Take that 3 year rebuild (that next congressional election)

That's my take.

I think not voting for Biden cause he's not progressive enough is pretty stupid in this current climate

It's like, if the candidates are pizza, he's a slice of cheese. Pretty much the baseline, kind of bland slice that everyone will eat but is nobody's favorite. But the other choice is an olive, pineapple, anchovies, and uncooked bell peppers pizza with a Dorito dust coating that someone sh*t on. I'll take the cheese, please

But I'm still gonna advocate for progressivism and try and pull the party left. My concern from the start is that the Dems are gonna take the wrong message from this election and double down on trying to appeal to "moderate" Republicans which will cause us to keep repeating the cycle of losing the White House to a regressive Republican every 4-8 years and only getting those "moderate" Republicans when their backs are to the wall. Which is why the VP should be someone more progressive than Biden who should then be the frontrunner in 2024, or if he steps down due to his health in the next 4 years can just take over

[Clyde_Style]

[Clyde_Style]

Please choke down the awful medicine one more time for Biden. He's not ideal, we are in agreement.

He might not even live out the term. 4 years will go quick. Fill congress with a progressive coalition.

Considering it like a Knicks rebuild. Ok, maybe don't do that.

My point on the rebuild, is don't go "all in, solve it all at once" in this "FA period".

Get the incremental improvement and build from there. Take that 3 year rebuild (that next congressional election)

That's my take.

I think not voting for Biden cause he's not progressive enough is pretty stupid in this current climate

It's like, if the candidates are pizza, he's a slice of cheese. Pretty much the baseline, kind of bland slice that everyone will eat but is nobody's favorite. But the other choice is an olive, pineapple, anchovies, and uncooked bell peppers pizza with a Dorito dust coating that someone sh*t on. I'll take the cheese, please

But I'm still gonna advocate for progressivism and try and pull the party left. My concern from the start is that the Dems are gonna take the wrong message from this election and double down on trying to appeal to "moderate" Republicans which will cause us to keep repeating the cycle of losing the White House to a regressive Republican every 4-8 years and only getting those "moderate" Republicans when their backs are to the wall. Which is why the VP should be someone more progressive than Biden who should then be the frontrunner in 2024, or if he steps down due to his health in the next 4 years can just take over

At this point, I'd expect someone like Val Demings to be the VP. She'd be progressive on almost every domestic issue while being a credible person to handle police reforms.

[Pointgod]

Here we go...

Read on Twitter

Two things. This doesn’t happen without protests so all the jackasses that chose to focus on riots and looters can STFU. Second how are people against a national standard that takes the investigation of cops who kill unarmed people out of the hands of the local DA and to State or Federal attorneys?

shout it to the rooftops

also, the idea sounds good but what if you have local DA and local community who want to investigate but state and federal attorneys don't leaving the community upset, it seems like it has potential to backfire, admittedly I haven't looked into it so I'm not sure if that's addressed or not

I think that’s why it has to be automatically triggered by Federal or State. For example, I’m not American but where I live anytime there’s an officer involved death it’s automatically investigated by a Special Investigation Department, not the local precinct.

On top of that a police officer has to file out a use of force report anytime their weapon is discharged. Not just when they kill or injure, if you fire your weapon you have to justify it. The only way you’ll get fair investigation and justice is if investigations of police are taken out of the hands of local pd and DA’s.

[Retired_Doc]

Minnesota's Attorney General’s Office is expected to announce upgraded charges against Derek Chauvin, the white Minneapolis officer who knelt on George Floyd’s neck, and has added new charges against the three other officers at the scene, Fox News has learned.

Chauvin will now be charged with second-degree murder, The Star Tribune first reported. The other three officers involved -- Thomas Lane, J.A. Kueng, and Tou Thao – will each be charged with two counts of aiding and abetting and 2nd-degree murder.

If convicted on both counts, the officers face a maximum of sentence of 50 years in prison, and a fine of up to $20,000.

Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison is expected to hold a news conference Wednesday afternoon to announce further details.

[robillionaire]

Two things. This doesn’t happen without protests so all the jackasses that chose to focus on riots and looters can STFU. Second how are people against a national standard that takes the investigation of cops who kill unarmed people out of the hands of the local DA and to State or Federal attorneys?

shout it to the rooftops

also, the idea sounds good but what if you have local DA and local community who want to investigate but state and federal attorneys don't leaving the community upset, it seems like it has potential to backfire, admittedly I haven't looked into it so I'm not sure if that's addressed or not

I think that’s why it has to be automatically triggered by Federal or State. For example, I’m not American but where I live anytime there’s an officer involved death it’s automatically investigated by a Special Investigation Department, not the local precinct.

On top of that a police officer has to file out a use of force report anytime their weapon is discharged. Not just when they kill or injure, if you fire your weapon you have to justify it. The only way you’ll get fair investigation and justice is if investigations of police are taken out of the hands of local pd and DA’s.

I think we need a big time demilitarization, disarming, and defunding of police. They are more and more closely resembling an occupying military force. You know our hospitals told us they couldn't afford the equipment to deal with coronavirus and workers couldn't get proper protection, so of course I and many other health care workers got the virus, you had people in the hospital where my son was born wearing garbage bags and medical personnel who died, but we can afford this massive militarized police budget for them to go around looking like robocop. If they would have acted as quickly to combat the virus with the same urgency and funding as they did to try to stop the protest maybe we wouldn't have had the worst outcome of any city in the world

[HarthorneWingo]

Please choke down the awful medicine one more time for Biden. He's not ideal, we are in agreement.

He might not even live out the term. 4 years will go quick. Fill congress with a progressive coalition.

Considering it like a Knicks rebuild. Ok, maybe don't do that.

My point on the rebuild, is don't go "all in, solve it all at once" in this "FA period".

Get the incremental improvement and build from there. Take that 3 year rebuild (that next congressional election)

That's my take.

I do understand that point of it, I am now in a Blue state so would be safe anyway.

When I voted for Hillary I was a Florida voter. Maybe I should have left my registration there

Speaking of which

Read on Twitter

He's a walking and talking fraudster. Trump is The King Midas of fraud.

[thebuzzardman]

Please choke down the awful medicine one more time for Biden. He's not ideal, we are in agreement.

He might not even live out the term. 4 years will go quick. Fill congress with a progressive coalition.

Considering it like a Knicks rebuild. Ok, maybe don't do that.

My point on the rebuild, is don't go "all in, solve it all at once" in this "FA period".

Get the incremental improvement and build from there. Take that 3 year rebuild (that next congressional election)

That's my take.

I think not voting for Biden cause he's not progressive enough is pretty stupid in this current climate

It's like, if the candidates are pizza, he's a slice of cheese. Pretty much the baseline, kind of bland slice that everyone will eat but is nobody's favorite. But the other choice is an olive, pineapple, anchovies, and uncooked bell peppers pizza with a Dorito dust coating that someone sh*t on. I'll take the cheese, please

But I'm still gonna advocate for progressivism and try and pull the party left. My concern from the start is that the Dems are gonna take the wrong message from this election and double down on trying to appeal to "moderate" Republicans which will cause us to keep repeating the cycle of losing the White House to a regressive Republican every 4-8 years and only getting those "moderate" Republicans when their backs are to the wall. Which is why the VP should be someone more progressive than Biden who should then be the frontrunner in 2024, or if he steps down due to his health in the next 4 years can just take over

At this point, I'd expect someone like Val Demings to be the VP. She'd be progressive on almost every domestic issue while being a credible person to handle police reforms.

And from a swing state in Florida.

Not sure how the crackers of Penn\Ohio\Michigan\Wisconsin\Arizona react though. (the states most mentioned as important to electoral college win, and that aren't already basically decided.)

[HarthorneWingo]

It has been a conflict for me. Trump is despicable while Biden is just corrupt, he is definitely less hate-worth than Trump. It is so difficult to throw support behind Biden, I could barely stomach voting for Hillary but I was able to force myself to do it.

Please choke down the awful medicine one more time for Biden. He's not ideal, we are in agreement.

He might not even live out the term. 4 years will go quick. Fill congress with a progressive coalition.

Considering it like a Knicks rebuild. Ok, maybe don't do that.

My point on the rebuild, is don't go "all in, solve it all at once" in this "FA period".

Get the incremental improvement and build from there. Take that 3 year rebuild (that next congressional election)

That's my take.

Agreed. And this is coming from someone that prescribes to Malcolm’s “the Fox and the Wolf” line of thinking.

I agree as well though my take is that it only applies to those in swing states. I'm in NY, so I know Biden is winning big. Maybe I'll write Bernie's name in just on principle.

My question is whether he can make it to November without cratering. I know you all think I'm just holding out for that moment where Bernie will somehow get nominated and, while that's true, I am sincerely concerned about Biden. Then again, Trump keeps digging a deeper and deeper hole for himself. Ugh.

[Clyde_Style]

I think not voting for Biden cause he's not progressive enough is pretty stupid in this current climate

It's like, if the candidates are pizza, he's a slice of cheese. Pretty much the baseline, kind of bland slice that everyone will eat but is nobody's favorite. But the other choice is an olive, pineapple, anchovies, and uncooked bell peppers pizza with a Dorito dust coating that someone sh*t on. I'll take the cheese, please

But I'm still gonna advocate for progressivism and try and pull the party left. My concern from the start is that the Dems are gonna take the wrong message from this election and double down on trying to appeal to "moderate" Republicans which will cause us to keep repeating the cycle of losing the White House to a regressive Republican every 4-8 years and only getting those "moderate" Republicans when their backs are to the wall. Which is why the VP should be someone more progressive than Biden who should then be the frontrunner in 2024, or if he steps down due to his health in the next 4 years can just take over

At this point, I'd expect someone like Val Demings to be the VP. She'd be progressive on almost every domestic issue while being a credible person to handle police reforms.

And from a swing state in Florida.

Not sure how the crackers of Penn\Ohio\Michigan\Wisconsin\Arizona react though. (the states most mentioned as important to electoral college win, and that aren't already basically decided.)

I'm guessing Ohio will be the biggest nut to crack so I don't know how she plays there, but she'd be able to counter Trump's law and order schtick to even dubious white folk.

PA and WI may still be close, but Biden would have to stumble badly to lose those I think. On the other hand, it would not surprise me if Trump loses by 10 points or more in both of those states

AZ looks like it is simply on a strong historical move to the blue and I don't think that will stop now

I think MI is going to be solidly blue this time

Demings has charisma. She can be forceful like Harris is, but with greater emotional skill. And she may end up being more progressive on domestic issues than any of them other than Liz and Bernie. She'd probably be slightly hawkish on foreign policy, but that is at least in part because Trump did so much to de-stabilize post-war alliances and there's plenty of repairs to international relations to be done

[HarthorneWingo]

Just go to the 1:08:50 mark and wait for Sam to present the video clip of the impassioned plea from one of the protesters towards the police.

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