2020-2021 College/Draft thread 1

[Knicksfan1992]

Jalen Johnson is special... That size, attitude, decision making and confidence is RARE. Love his game. Buy the touch. Buy everything about him to be honest. Wouldn't think twice about taking him number 1 tbh.

[TheGreenArrow]

Jalen Johnson is special... That size, attitude, decision making and confidence is RARE. Love his game. Buy the touch. Buy everything about him to be honest. Wouldn't think twice about taking him number 1 tbh.

Not over Cade or Suggs they are in a tier by themselves.

He’s definitely top3-5 though.

[Knicksfan1992]

Jalen Johnson is special... That size, attitude, decision making and confidence is RARE. Love his game. Buy the touch. Buy everything about him to be honest. Wouldn't think twice about taking him number 1 tbh.

Not over Cade or Suggs they are in a tier by themselves.

He’s definitely top3-5 though.

Cade is really good no doubt but i'm not ready to crown him 1 yet... Suggs is good too but i think Jalen Johnson has a chance to be really special especially if he's splashing jumpers. I don't see SUggs having that type of ceiling yet.

[TheGreenArrow]

Jalen Johnson is special... That size, attitude, decision making and confidence is RARE. Love his game. Buy the touch. Buy everything about him to be honest. Wouldn't think twice about taking him number 1 tbh.

Not over Cade or Suggs they are in a tier by themselves.

He’s definitely top3-5 though.

Cade is really good no doubt but i'm not ready to crown him 1 yet... Suggs is good too but i think Jalen Johnson has a chance to be really special especially if he's splashing jumpers. I don't see SUggs having that type of ceiling yet.

Yep if he can prove that he can hit jumpers consistently he catapults right to the top. He’d be 1b to Cade’s 1a.

If he proves to be a reliable jump shooter can he possibly play some 3??

I’d hope so. I’d love to see him added to our young core of Mitch Obi and rj if we can’t get Cade.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

The most unique talents in this draft look like Cade, Suggs and Jalen Johnson so far. I like all these wings, but those 3 stand out so far because of their passing as well.

Scottie Barnes is a very unique talent as well

In what way? Thought he was your standard SF/PF type.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Jalen Johnson is special... That size, attitude, decision making and confidence is RARE. Love his game. Buy the touch. Buy everything about him to be honest. Wouldn't think twice about taking him number 1 tbh.

Not over Cade or Suggs they are in a tier by themselves.

He’s definitely top3-5 though.

Cade is really good no doubt but i'm not ready to crown him 1 yet... Suggs is good too but i think Jalen Johnson has a chance to be really special especially if he's splashing jumpers. I don't see SUggs having that type of ceiling yet.

For Johnson to be above Cade he'd have to prove that he can guard wing players, the offense between the two of them will be similar, the difference will come down to who is the better defender and potentially better shooter. If Johnson can't guard wings there's virtually no chance that we take him.

Suggs or Cade right now are the best fits for our team too.

[2010]

The most unique talents in this draft look like Cade, Suggs and Jalen Johnson so far. I like all these wings, but those 3 stand out so far because of their passing as well.

Scottie Barnes is a very unique talent as well

In what way? Thought he was your standard SF/PF type.

Offensively he can facilitate out of the forward position similar to Draymond. And he is also a multi-positional defender capable of guarding the 1–4.

[Tron Carter]

I’m not worried about Cade’s jumper. Solid ft% and form.

[2010]

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This would be a great 3rd rotational big off the bench to compliment Toppin and bring the defensive element he lacks. He'd also fit nicely beside Mitch in the frontcourt. All this is assuming Randle isn't a part of the team's future plans.

[robillionaire]

my cade comparison would have to be poor man's luka doncic. he doesn't seem as crafty of a finisher and not nearly as good of a playmaker, I'm not sure how it's going to translate at the next level. But the shot looks pretty good so that's a positive. He's averaging 3.5 ast and 3.5 turnovers. not what I want to see out of the PG position.

[2010]

my cade comparison would have to be poor man's luka doncic. he doesn't seem as crafty of a finisher and not nearly as good of a playmaker, I'm not sure how it's going to translate at the next level. But the shot looks pretty good so that's a positive. He's averaging 3.5 ast and 3.5 turnovers. not what I want to see out of the PG position.

He's more Grant Hill than Luka.

[brobitoppin]

The thing about Suggs that I like is that he had scholarships to Ohio St and Notre Dame to play QB. Just a good sign in terms of his decision making. Not saying it's the end-all-be-all, but just a tick in the right box of decision making and leadership that I want to see from my PG.

[robillionaire]

per 36 suggs is averging 10.1 ast to 2.2 turnovers and cade 4.0 ast - 4.0 to. if you look at how cade is getting points, it's just bully ball his guy to the rim for a layup or free throws. and he hasn't even been particularly good at the rim. I don't see how that fits with RJ, Toppin, Mitch. He is shooting .429 from 3 on 3.5 attempts a game which is why I still have some hope. and sure suggs is playing on the most stacked team ever which makes things easy for him, cade not so much. but suggs has also played against better competition. hard at this point not to want to lean towards suggs

[jvsimonetti0514]

2 games into the season and I’m drafting Suggs over Cade. There’s a lot of similarities I see with RJ and Cade basically that they use strength to power their ways to the rim. He’s def a better shooter but unless he gets a lot more crafty off the dribble, I worry how well he’ll get to the rim. He doesn’t look like he’s just playing at his pace either, he just looks slow. Compare that to how Suggs just flies down the court with a bunch of sick step backs and eurosteps.

[jvsimonetti0514]

per 36 suggs is averging 10.1 ast to 2.2 turnovers and cade 4.0 ast - 4.0 to. if you look at how cade is getting points, it's just bully ball his guy to the rim for a layup or free throws. and he hasn't even been particularly good at the rim. I don't see how that fits with RJ, Toppin, Mitch. He is shooting .429 from 3 on 3.5 attempts a game which is why I still have some hope. and sure suggs is playing on the most stacked team ever which makes things easy for him, cade not so much. but suggs has also played against better competition. hard at this point not to want to lean towards suggs

Agree with all of this. We need someone that creates more separation off the dribble and Cade isn’t causing a ton of defensive rotations cuz he man is usually glued to his hip. I’ve probably got Cade third after Suggs and Mobley.

[robillionaire]

per 36 suggs is averging 10.1 ast to 2.2 turnovers and cade 4.0 ast - 4.0 to. if you look at how cade is getting points, it's just bully ball his guy to the rim for a layup or free throws. and he hasn't even been particularly good at the rim. I don't see how that fits with RJ, Toppin, Mitch. He is shooting .429 from 3 on 3.5 attempts a game which is why I still have some hope. and sure suggs is playing on the most stacked team ever which makes things easy for him, cade not so much. but suggs has also played against better competition. hard at this point not to want to lean towards suggs

Agree with all of this. We need someone that creates more separation off the dribble and Cade isn’t causing a ton of defensive rotations cuz he man is usually glued to his hip. I’ve probably got Cade third after Suggs and Mobley.

It's still just too early to say. If you look at Suggs scouting reports shooting was considered a weakness. you wouldn't know it from the first game but if he can't shoot very well that also calls fit into question. I'd still take either one of them though, too much talent not to

[NoDopeOnSundays]

2 games into the season and I’m drafting Suggs over Cade. There’s a lot of similarities I see with RJ and Cade basically that they use strength to power their ways to the rim. He’s def a better shooter but unless he gets a lot more crafty off the dribble, I worry how well he’ll get to the rim. He doesn’t look like he’s just playing at his pace either, he just looks slow. Compare that to how Suggs just flies down the court with a bunch of sick step backs and eurosteps.

You don't need to be fast at 6'8", I don't think he's slow, he just seems to play at his own speed. Also, young wings like this are almost always trying to get to the rim, the potential in them is that they can handle the ball which is a rare skill for guys this size, and pass which is even more rare. If he proves to be a solid shooter it opens up his entire game. You can just do a lot of funky things that teams have trouble matching up with if you have multiple wings, if we have RJ & Cade obviously we want to develop both into solid catch and shoot guys so that when one has the ball the other is a threat.

I like Suggs a lot, and if Cade is off the board he's the guy I want. With that said It should be a rule by now that you don't draft PG sized players over big wings if skillsets are close, Fultz went over Tatum, Young traded for Luka, Morant went over RJ Big wings almost always win in the end.

[robillionaire]

2 games into the season and I’m drafting Suggs over Cade. There’s a lot of similarities I see with RJ and Cade basically that they use strength to power their ways to the rim. He’s def a better shooter but unless he gets a lot more crafty off the dribble, I worry how well he’ll get to the rim. He doesn’t look like he’s just playing at his pace either, he just looks slow. Compare that to how Suggs just flies down the court with a bunch of sick step backs and eurosteps.

You don't need to be fast at 6'8", I don't think he's slow, he just seems to play at his own speed. Also, young wings like this are almost always trying to get to the rim, the potential in them is that they can handle the ball which is a rare skill for guys this size, and pass which is even more rare. If he proves to be a solid shooter it opens up his entire game. You can just do a lot of funky things that teams have trouble matching up with if you have multiple wings, if we have RJ & Cade obviously we want to develop both into solid catch and shoot guys so that when one has the ball the other is a threat.

I like Suggs a lot, and if Cade is off the board he's the guy I want. With that said It should be a rule by now that you don't draft PG sized players over big wings if skillsets are close, Fultz went over Tatum, Young went over Luka, Morant went over RJ Big wings almost always win in the end.

just to note luka went 3rd and young 5th so he didn't really go over luka in fact the hawks got another lottery pick for moving back to take young 5th and morant won ROTY and looks better than RJ, also we would be very happy to have young or morant.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

2 games into the season and I’m drafting Suggs over Cade. There’s a lot of similarities I see with RJ and Cade basically that they use strength to power their ways to the rim. He’s def a better shooter but unless he gets a lot more crafty off the dribble, I worry how well he’ll get to the rim. He doesn’t look like he’s just playing at his pace either, he just looks slow. Compare that to how Suggs just flies down the court with a bunch of sick step backs and eurosteps.

You don't need to be fast at 6'8", I don't think he's slow, he just seems to play at his own speed. Also, young wings like this are almost always trying to get to the rim, the potential in them is that they can handle the ball which is a rare skill for guys this size, and pass which is even more rare. If he proves to be a solid shooter it opens up his entire game. You can just do a lot of funky things that teams have trouble matching up with if you have multiple wings, if we have RJ & Cade obviously we want to develop both into solid catch and shoot guys so that when one has the ball the other is a threat.

I like Suggs a lot, and if Cade is off the board he's the guy I want. With that said It should be a rule by now that you don't draft PG sized players over big wings if skillsets are close, Fultz went over Tatum, Young went over Luka, Morant went over RJ Big wings almost always win in the end.

just to note luka went 3rd and young 5th so he didn't really go over luka in fact the hawks got another lottery pick for moving back to take young 5th and morant won ROTY and looks better than RJ, also we would be very happy to have young or morant.

Luka was traded for Young, already had it amended, and no amount of lottery picks can make up for trading away a generational wing. They basically traded a LeBron/KD talent for a Damian Lillard & Robert Covington deal, that's a loss no matter how you cut it.

RJ will be better than Morant in the long run, it isn't about who is better right now, but who will be better in 3 years time. I like Suggs because he's got great size for a PG, and would already be among the strongest PGs in the league as a 19 year old. I don't like wiry or small PGs like Morant & Young, ultimately those guys get exposed in playoff series. The NBA is heading in a direction where teams with elite wing playmakers are just doing away with PG sized players, the Mavs are copying the Lakers now, they are going to run Richardson 6'6" and Hardaway 6'6" in their backcourt.

[robillionaire]

You don't need to be fast at 6'8", I don't think he's slow, he just seems to play at his own speed. Also, young wings like this are almost always trying to get to the rim, the potential in them is that they can handle the ball which is a rare skill for guys this size, and pass which is even more rare. If he proves to be a solid shooter it opens up his entire game. You can just do a lot of funky things that teams have trouble matching up with if you have multiple wings, if we have RJ & Cade obviously we want to develop both into solid catch and shoot guys so that when one has the ball the other is a threat.

I like Suggs a lot, and if Cade is off the board he's the guy I want. With that said It should be a rule by now that you don't draft PG sized players over big wings if skillsets are close, Fultz went over Tatum, Young went over Luka, Morant went over RJ Big wings almost always win in the end.

just to note luka went 3rd and young 5th so he didn't really go over luka in fact the hawks got another lottery pick for moving back to take young 5th and morant won ROTY and looks better than RJ, also we would be very happy to have young or morant.

Luka was traded for Young, already had it amended, and no amount of lottery picks can make up for trading away a generational wing. They basically traded a LeBron/KD talent for a Damian Lillard & Robert Covington deal, that's a loss no matter how you cut it.

RJ will be better than Morant in the long run, it isn't about who is better right now, but who will be better in 3 years time. I like Suggs because he's got great size for a PG, and would already be among the strongest PGs in the league as a 19 year old. I don't like wiry or small PGs like Morant & Young, ultimately those guys get exposed in playoff series. The NBA is heading in a direction where teams with elite wing playmakers are just doing away with PG sized players, the Mavs are copying the Lakers now, they are going to run Richardson 6'6" and Hardaway 6'6" in their backcourt.

Oh I agree it was a terrible move I was just disputing the notion that Young went over Luka