OT: Joe Biden has withdrawn from the US Presidential race

[8516knicks]

Economics in one lesson is a book by another author. You can read any book by Palestinian Saifedean Ammous if you don't like Sowell. The problem is I can tell most of you guys have not even read or listened to the other side. That's the ignorance the left banks on.

I know that book is by another author, that’s why I started a new paragraph and said also.

You are not special. You are the same as all online conservative free thinkers who think they stumbled on something special but have been in fact duped by writers who aren’t even respected by today’s journals or cited as doing actual research. Hazlitt is outdated and never grounded his research with actual math and evidence. And Sowell doesn’t even get published in peer reviewed journals today lol. You like their polemics, fine. But don’t pass it off as statistical facts because they don’t use that.

Fraud fraud fraud. Thanks for exposing your quack ****.

Numbers? We have real life outcomes. We see what socialism does to countries. We see what unfettered redistribution from the productive, to govt rulers does. There is no wealth to redistribute if it isn't created in the first place. It's why statements like housing is a right are so absurd no matter how good they make us feel.

let them eat cake!

[robillionaire]

It's hard to be sure. My mother was senile, and had dementia for the final several years of her life. One time a visiting nurse asked her what year it was and she said 1954. But she wasn't completely gone. She still had emotions and long term memories, she was just confused, and Biden is in way better shape than my mother was.

So . . . did he reach the decision? Based on my experience with living with an elderly person, I think he was capable of recognizing his decline and recognizing that many people in his party wanted him to step down. But, there's no way to be sure.

I heard one interesting theory that Biden waited until Trump picked his VP to step down, so that his decision wouldn't affect Trump's VP selection. I have no way of knowing if that's true either, but it's an interesting theory.

I've seen two people, one of whom are no longer with us, that had Alzheimer's disease. It's absolutely horrible.

I saw nothing from Joe Biden that even remotely put him in the same category as those two women.

He is old, and not as sharp as he was 4 years ago, but compared to the folks I've seen who were dying from it, I honestly question the sincerity of people who pretend that Biden was some drooling old man whose brain is gone. Far from it.

my grandma had alzheimer's before she passed. it was absolutely horrible for 10-20 years.

she was diagnosed when i was a teen and when we'd speak she'd constantly forget who i was, that i was her grandson, that she even had a grandson, how old she was, whether or not her late husband was alive or not and these are things she'd forget within seconds of reminding her who i was.

the absolute worst times was when she thought she was a child again and she would start hiding under tables and desks while shaking and shivering because she was scared for her life back then. anyone that knows anyone intimately with alzheimer's can tell that biden isn't at that level

Same experience here with my grandmother and Joe is clearly not anywhere near that level. But now that everyone can be honest I think we can all admit in the past month he was badly struggling more than usual, slow to gather his thoughts, mixing up names. Maybe he’s on his way there in the coming years or maybe he’s just 81. Basically your standard old person stuff not Alzheimer’s. I actually think Van Jones talking about taking the keys away from grandpa was a good analogy although I’m not gonna cry about it. But for people who really liked him I can see it being a sad moment.

However I do think he can handle the job for a few more months. Having to be charismatic and witty and do debate clap backs in a popularity contest is different than being a statesman and making decisions of office. Plus he made the right decision to be self aware enough to agree to drop out so there’s that.

[MrDollarBills]

Without looking, MJ, Wilt, LeBron, Brunson?

You successfully named two of them.

Iverson and Shaq?

Nope!

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Numbers? We have real life outcomes. We see what socialism does to countries. We see what unfettered redistribution from the productive, to govt rulers does. There is no wealth to redistribute if it isn't created in the first place. It's why statements like housing is a right are so absurd no matter how good they make us feel.

Yikes

Have a great day man

Time to bust out this bad boy:

I also love how he points to Venezuela and Cuba like the US hasn't been meddling with them for decades or that sanctions don't impact them. He really dismissed sanctions as though they're just a ho hum thing, if they were that inconsequential the US would drop them and never use them in the first place

[MrDollarBills]

It's hard to be sure. My mother was senile, and had dementia for the final several years of her life. One time a visiting nurse asked her what year it was and she said 1954. But she wasn't completely gone. She still had emotions and long term memories, she was just confused, and Biden is in way better shape than my mother was.

So . . . did he reach the decision? Based on my experience with living with an elderly person, I think he was capable of recognizing his decline and recognizing that many people in his party wanted him to step down. But, there's no way to be sure.

I heard one interesting theory that Biden waited until Trump picked his VP to step down, so that his decision wouldn't affect Trump's VP selection. I have no way of knowing if that's true either, but it's an interesting theory.

I've seen two people, one of whom are no longer with us, that had Alzheimer's disease. It's absolutely horrible.

I saw nothing from Joe Biden that even remotely put him in the same category as those two women.

He is old, and not as sharp as he was 4 years ago, but compared to the folks I've seen who were dying from it, I honestly question the sincerity of people who pretend that Biden was some drooling old man whose brain is gone. Far from it.

my grandma had alzheimer's before she passed. it was absolutely horrible for 10-20 years.

she was diagnosed when i was a teen and when we'd speak she'd constantly forget who i was, that i was her grandson, that she even had a grandson, how old she was, whether or not her late husband was alive or not and these are things she'd forget within seconds of reminding her who i was.

the absolute worst times was when she thought she was a child again and she would start hiding under tables and desks while shaking and shivering because she was scared for her life back then. anyone that knows anyone intimately with alzheimer's can tell that biden isn't at that level

I'm sorry to hear that brother.

It puts things into perspective when you really know what dementia is and people toss the word around all cavalier. It sucks so bad to see someone you love going through that.

[MrDollarBills]

I've seen two people, one of whom are no longer with us, that had Alzheimer's disease. It's absolutely horrible.

I saw nothing from Joe Biden that even remotely put him in the same category as those two women.

He is old, and not as sharp as he was 4 years ago, but compared to the folks I've seen who were dying from it, I honestly question the sincerity of people who pretend that Biden was some drooling old man whose brain is gone. Far from it.

my grandma had alzheimer's before she passed. it was absolutely horrible for 10-20 years.

she was diagnosed when i was a teen and when we'd speak she'd constantly forget who i was, that i was her grandson, that she even had a grandson, how old she was, whether or not her late husband was alive or not and these are things she'd forget within seconds of reminding her who i was.

the absolute worst times was when she thought she was a child again and she would start hiding under tables and desks while shaking and shivering because she was scared for her life back then. anyone that knows anyone intimately with alzheimer's can tell that biden isn't at that level

Same experience here with my grandmother and Joe is clearly not anywhere near that level. But now that everyone can be honest I think we can all admit in the past month he was badly struggling more than usual, slow to gather his thoughts, mixing up names. Maybe he’s on his way there in the coming years or maybe he’s just 81. Basically your standard old person stuff not Alzheimer’s. I actually think Van Jones talking about taking the keys away from grandpa was a good analogy although I’m not gonna cry about it. But for people who really liked him I can see it being a sad moment.

However I do think he can handle the job for a few more months. Having to be charismatic and witty and do debate clap backs in a popularity contest is different than being a statesman and making decisions of office. Plus he made the right decision to be self aware enough to agree to drop out so there’s that.

Sorry about your grandmother as well my man.

Joe did right by the country, and himself. He put the country before his pride and ego. It probably hurt to hear people questioning him the way that they did. He did the right thing.

[MrDollarBills]

I gotta do some actual work today so the answer to my trivia question:

Brunson, Jordan, West, King.

[DOT]

I also love how he points to Venezuela and Cuba like the US hasn't been meddling with them for decades or that sanctions don't impact them. He really dismissed sanctions as though they're just a ho hum thing, if they were that inconsequential the US would drop them and never use them in the first place

It's also like, the time period these MAGA types want us to go "back" to because of how great the economy was had extremely high tax rates on the rich (the top marginal tax rate was over 90%), unions were the strongest they've ever been, and we had a ton of social safety nets

Now, to be fair, a lot of the "good" stuff from the 1950s is revisionist history and we cannot overlook the fact that this was pre-Civil Rights movement and black people were legit 2nd class citizens in this country so we shouldn't glorify that era as a place to go "back" to, I'm just pointing out how what they say they want economically is diametrically opposed to the actual policies pushed by them and their leaders

If you look at the actual policies they want, they're not pushing for us to go back to the 1950s, they want us to go back to the 1890s, to the peak of capitalism in this country, before unions, before social safety nets, before women could vote, when the children still yearned for the mines, when you could shove rat sh*t into sausage and there were no regulations to stop you

We know what happens when capitalism is left unchecked. We just have to look to our own history. But those who refuse to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

[Luv those Knicks]

It's hard to be sure. My mother was senile, and had dementia for the final several years of her life. One time a visiting nurse asked her what year it was and she said 1954. But she wasn't completely gone. She still had emotions and long term memories, she was just confused, and Biden is in way better shape than my mother was.

So . . . did he reach the decision? Based on my experience with living with an elderly person, I think he was capable of recognizing his decline and recognizing that many people in his party wanted him to step down. But, there's no way to be sure.

I heard one interesting theory that Biden waited until Trump picked his VP to step down, so that his decision wouldn't affect Trump's VP selection. I have no way of knowing if that's true either, but it's an interesting theory.

I've seen two people, one of whom are no longer with us, that had Alzheimer's disease. It's absolutely horrible.

I saw nothing from Joe Biden that even remotely put him in the same category as those two women.

He is old, and not as sharp as he was 4 years ago, but compared to the folks I've seen who were dying from it, I honestly question the sincerity of people who pretend that Biden was some drooling old man whose brain is gone. Far from it.

my grandma had alzheimer's before she passed. it was absolutely horrible for 10-20 years.

she was diagnosed when i was a teen and when we'd speak she'd constantly forget who i was, that i was her grandson, that she even had a grandson, how old she was, whether or not her late husband was alive or not and these are things she'd forget within seconds of reminding her who i was.

the absolute worst times was when she thought she was a child again and she would start hiding under tables and desks while shaking and shivering because she was scared for her life back then. anyone that knows anyone intimately with alzheimer's can tell that biden isn't at that level

I didn't mean to imply that Biden had Alzheimer's, only that, in the early stages of decline, people are still able to make decisions. That was my main point.

My mom was never full blown. She never forgot who I was, but she did forget our home, and she often asked me to "take her home". I had a full story worked up that I must have told her over 100 times about why we were in this "new" place that we'd lived in for over 20 years.

She also asked me to call her parents and that one was harder. I never figured out what to say to that, but even in her decline, it's not like her mind was gone, just parts of her memory were gone. She was still able to reach a decision or have a conversation.

I was primarily disagreeing with the claim that he couldn't reach this decision himself. He may have talked it over with his most trusted aid, but he's capable of understanding the situation and making a decision. His decline is more in appearance than actual forgetfulness, at least, that's what it looks like to me.

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as a side note, hiding under the table. I'd not heard that one before. I want to say that's funny, but it's also pretty close to the worst thing there is, living with someone who's got that advanced stage of Alzheimer's.

[newyork]

Another point Neutral123, as an Indian American yourself. You or one of your Indian brothers & sisters can go to a predominantly African American community. Open up a business, and be supported by that community enough to provide for your family. Same for every other ethnicity. Happens all the time.

What do you believe the odds are for the reverse though? If an African American opened up a business in a predominantly Indian community? How about White community? Or Asian community? Or Latino community?

Let's not be weird. I respect the Indians but I'm not one of them. If it is your contention that the immigrants are racist, then it is your fault for voting for open borders. You agree with that right?

Could of sworn you said you were of Indian decent in previous post?

I didn't say anything about immigrants, I said communities. Your reply answered the question without answering the questing. You don't believe that they would garner the same support. Had to attempt to spin it in some defensive way, but that's pretty much your answer.

And no I don't believe its purely due to racism though it plays somewhat of a part. Again racism is to believe one race is superior to another. Its more so just the comfort level of relatability. As well as these communities being able to tap into culture from their motherland to bring to the US. African Americans don't have such culture to tap into Africa to bring to the US since the roots to connect to family and life in Africa isn't there due to slavery. African American culture is American culture where we are a minority within. Thus Black people are more willing to branch out and intertwine with other cultures and support. While facing more unique obstacles ourselves in relation and comparison.

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[robillionaire]

My mom was never full blown. She never forgot who I was, but she did forget our home, and she often asked me to "take her home". I had a full story worked up that I must have told her over 100 times about why we were in this "new" place that we'd lived in for over 20 years.

Same with my uncle. He’d say “will you take me home” and we’d all tell him “you are home” and he’s lived there for decades. Then 30 seconds later he’d say “I’ll give you $20 if you take me home” which of course he had no access to money. Eventually we’d ask “where is your home” and he’d mention some place he lived as a child 50 years prior. And then at some point when you didn’t want to go back and forth you’d just go along with it and say ok we’ll go home in a little while. And that went on for a few years before he died. No idea what the best approach to that is supposed to be. Tell them reality or just play along with it

[StlHawksFan]

I tried to stay out of it but this is just play wrong. He starts with:

There's no such thing as trickle down economics.

But then goes on to talk about trickle down economics in the very next sentence:

The idea that producing more will result in more wealth for everyone is exactly why America is the biggest economy in the world and enjoys the highest standard of living outside of a few countries with a ton of oil.

But of course, the entire premise is wrong. Americans do not have the highest standard of living. It really doesn't matter what index you look at. QOL? We're #23 behind much of the EU. HDI? We're #21 also behind much of the EU. And as for the oil rich nations? Sure, the UAE has a high standard of living but Qatar and Saudi Arabia are tied for #40 on the list. And the UAE is a really odd case because the majority of people living in Dubai or Abu Dhabi aren't citizens so they don't count for these lists. They are "guest workers" who are basically working for pennies on the dollar to promote the high QOL for the citizen class.

The countries that have the best standard of living are those that provide services for their populations. Routinely the top countries are always central and northern European nations, New Zealand, Australia, Canada, South Korea.

We've seen Keynesian economics in places like Cuba and Venezuela and the only excuse they have is sanctions! Sanctions.

Demand doesn't fuel an economy, supply does. What can be produced and how much determines the fate of a nation's economy.

Cuba and Venezuela do not follow Keynesian policies. They follow Marxist policies. There is a huge difference between the two. Since the Great Depression, the US and the rest of the developed world have mostly followed Keynesian economic policies. Forays into Friedman and Hayek have generally led to short term gains but long term losses which is why the Austrian school is mostly derided by actual economists and not rightwing talking heads.

Simply put, supply-side economics is a pipe dream. Overproduction when demand is limited just leads to a deflationary spiral that will bankrupt an economy. If buyers see prices are falling continuously, they will wait until the very last moment to buy anything. That will continue to propagate additional deflation until the company shuts down.

Source for all of this? I've worked for 17 years as an economist in the private sector, academia, and in the public sector. And quite frankly, I'm tired of know-nothings acting like they are experts.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

I also love how he points to Venezuela and Cuba like the US hasn't been meddling with them for decades or that sanctions don't impact them. He really dismissed sanctions as though they're just a ho hum thing, if they were that inconsequential the US would drop them and never use them in the first place

It's also like, the time period these MAGA types want us to go "back" to because of how great the economy was had extremely high tax rates on the rich (the top marginal tax rate was over 90%), unions were the strongest they've ever been, and we had a ton of social safety nets

Now, to be fair, a lot of the "good" stuff from the 1950s is revisionist history and we cannot overlook the fact that this was pre-Civil Rights movement and black people were legit 2nd class citizens in this country so we shouldn't glorify that era as a place to go "back" to, I'm just pointing out how what they say they want economically is diametrically opposed to the actual policies pushed by them and their leaders

If you look at the actual policies they want, they're not pushing for us to go back to the 1950s, they want us to go back to the 1890s, to the peak of capitalism in this country, before unions, before social safety nets, before women could vote, when the children still yearned for the mines, when you could shove rat sh*t into sausage and there were no regulations to stop you

We know what happens when capitalism is left unchecked. We just have to look to our own history. But those who refuse to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

I will never ever ever understand people that aren't rich and will never be rich arguing in favor of policies that help the super rich over themselves. That's basically all the Republican party and maga is, that and underlining bigotry, exclusion and xenophobia.

[StlHawksFan]

I will never ever ever understand people that aren't rich and will never be rich arguing in favor of policies that help the super rich over themselves. That's basically all the Republican party and maga is, that and underlining bigotry, exclusion and xenophobia.

To quote a con man, "I love the poorly educated."

[DOT]

I also love how he points to Venezuela and Cuba like the US hasn't been meddling with them for decades or that sanctions don't impact them. He really dismissed sanctions as though they're just a ho hum thing, if they were that inconsequential the US would drop them and never use them in the first place

It's also like, the time period these MAGA types want us to go "back" to because of how great the economy was had extremely high tax rates on the rich (the top marginal tax rate was over 90%), unions were the strongest they've ever been, and we had a ton of social safety nets

Now, to be fair, a lot of the "good" stuff from the 1950s is revisionist history and we cannot overlook the fact that this was pre-Civil Rights movement and black people were legit 2nd class citizens in this country so we shouldn't glorify that era as a place to go "back" to, I'm just pointing out how what they say they want economically is diametrically opposed to the actual policies pushed by them and their leaders

If you look at the actual policies they want, they're not pushing for us to go back to the 1950s, they want us to go back to the 1890s, to the peak of capitalism in this country, before unions, before social safety nets, before women could vote, when the children still yearned for the mines, when you could shove rat sh*t into sausage and there were no regulations to stop you

We know what happens when capitalism is left unchecked. We just have to look to our own history. But those who refuse to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

I will never ever ever understand people that aren't rich and will never be rich arguing in favor of policies that help the super rich over themselves. That's basically all the Republican party and maga is, that and underlining bigotry, exclusion and xenophobia.

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The wagons are circling

My god the Democrats were scaring me. The party is now in lockstep

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Looking flabby, old and sick. F*cking rapist!!!

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The wagons are circling

My god the Democrats were scaring me. The party is now in lockstep

It is weird. Even weirder, our board served as a bellweather for this last week:

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Or, and hear me out guys, _Vice_ President Harris.

I think Newsom is a non-starter. As you say, the guy running Cali is a hard sell outside the coasts.

Pretty much everyone was on board and unexpected consensus started to form.

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Interesting. Every other potential replacement candidate gets backlash. I bring up Harris and everyone (left) is like "oh yeah, I'd vote for her but like a lot of people wouldn't."

Small sample but... could the optics... not be true?

[Pointgod]

I'm scared to death now.

I feel like this was a concerted class warfare effort to push Biden out by corporate and rich interests who were pissed that Biden was going to start taxing people above the 400k threshold more. When MSNBC suddenly flipped on him and guys like Jon Stewart and George Clooney started calling for him to step down I found it all suspect.

Then to see AOC and Bernie call this out, I figured that corporate donors are calling the shots.

Not one viable replacement has been named before this. Newsome and Harris cannot beat Trump, independent/undecided white voters aren't gonna vote for a California coastal liberal or a Black woman.

Then there will be legal challenges pushed to keep the new nominee off the ballot.

Trump is going to win. I have no doubts now. Introducing a nominee that hasn't been elected by Democrat voters is suicidal. The party is now fractured while the GOP is in lock step behind rapist and convicted felon Donald Trump.

I hope you guys on both sides remember the old saying, "be careful what you wish for, you might just get it."

While I agree with your assessment that it really was a media and Democratic donor hit job, the most important thing is all hands on deck to beat Trump. Vote Blue no matter who. This is horrible for the Democratic Party long term because these **** showed incredible weakness but that’s a tomorrow problem considering if Trump wins, there might not be a country to fight over.