Trades and Transactions Thread - 2025 Cont'd

[TheGreenArrow]

I keep going back to JJJ/Bane for KAT/Bridges . It makes sense for both sides for so many reasons.

I could definitely see it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Especially with Alan saying this…………!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Where? Hahn brought this up already?

Not sure if you saw the tweet I posted but Alan said the Mikal extension is not a guarantee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[8516knicks]

If Giannis requests to be sent here, I think Milwaukee will do right by him.

So what does the framework of a deal for Giannis look like to where both sides walk away happy?

Two things:

-I think we need a ball handling guard next to Brunson that can defend.

-Mitch and Mikal are expiring contracts which probably look attractive to Milwaukee.

I wonder if NY, MIL, PHX, and MIN can construct a 4 team deal to get what everyone wants?

At some point, if that presents itself, it becomes Dolan's decision rather than Leon's, doesn't it?

GA with Brunson and decent pieces might be good enough for a 'ship, like Denver with Jokich, but it also could fall into the perennial 2nd round Playoff exit, something like Lillard and GA are in now.

But the Bucks did get one, as did Denver. So maybe it's worth going for that ONE season. Toronto also did and got it. Perhaps that's the new normal in the NBA, though OKC may disrupt that new-champ-every-year current 8-year run.

[mpharris36]

If Giannis requests to be sent here, I think Milwaukee will do right by him.

So what does the framework of a deal for Giannis look like to where both sides walk away happy?

Two things:

-I think we need a ball handling guard next to Brunson that can defend.

-Mitch and Mikal are expiring contracts which probably look attractive to Milwaukee.

I wonder if NY, MIL, PHX, and MIN can construct a 4 team deal to get what everyone wants?

For me the framework is KAT going to a 3rd team who need either a talent upgrade or offense upgrade. Then they send their package to Milwaukee and the Knicks sweeten that pot a bit for Milwaukee (Hello Deuce McBride and our only tradeable 1st )

Some semi-obvious teams I've thought of would be:

Magic- Franz may be a nice piece to get back for Milwaukee and they desperately need an offensive upgrade
Houston- Plenty of young players and mid tier contracts to work with/ number 10 pick as well. Desperately need offense. May look at KAT as an upgrade on Sengun.
Detroit- Some interesting young pieces outside of Cade. Need more talent and KAT provides much needed spacing for Cade to operate. Similar dynamic to Brunson and KAT.
Toronto- Glut of wings. Need better roster distribution and shooting

Some sneaky teams that may have a seemingly smaller need for KAT but probably need to make a move one way or another:

Clippers- Secretly a very treadmilly team right now. Kawhi, Harden and Powell is a pretty old core to be working with. Zubac took another step this season but he's really their only young-ish impact player. I'd be looking at them as a team who could shake it up out of nowhere.

Miami- Maybe they see KAT and Bam as an elite frontcourt? Can't say I would disagree. Herro young all-star back to Milwaukee (he's from the area FWIW). Long shot especially with Pat the Rat in charge but crazier things have happened.

Memphis - Feels like anything can happen here. Maybe not in a Giannis trade but a team that is in flux and needs a shakeup.


Overall, I think the Knicks don't need to panic here and one thing I'll say about Leon is he generally avoids the panic move. (Generally doing some heavy lifting here given what we gave up for Bridges but I think that move was well-intentioned). Either way I think he's had a good feel about when to make major changes and when minor adjustments are needed. It goes without saying that if Giannis wants to come to your team you need to explore every scenario to make that happen but, I wouldn't necessarily be upset if the Knicks look to make smaller upgrades on the margins and banked on internal development adding more depth and quality to the team next year...

I keep going back to JJJ/Bane for KAT/Bridges . It makes sense for both sides for so many reasons.

I think JJJ/Bane/Clarke for KAT/Bridges works cap wise. We also know the grizz value Mikal they were one of the teams offering like 4 1sts for him.

I think it certainly could be something to look into.

Brunson/Bane/OG/JJJ/Mitch

with

Deuce, Hart, and Clarke off the bench. I think we even save like 5 MM in that trade...and would open up an exemption where maybe Leon buddy CP3 would come on a 1 year deal year to help run the bench?

[sol537]

What about:

KAT, Hart, Mitch, and salary filler (PJ Tucker, etc.), WAS 1st

for

Barnes, Poeltl, Quickley, TOR 1st

We get younger, improve our defense, and improve our depth. And getting a future 1st opens up our ability to trade our own 1sts in some years.

For Toronto, they get back to the playoffs and get some "dogs".

[KnixinSix]

If Giannis requests to be sent here, I think Milwaukee will do right by him.

So what does the framework of a deal for Giannis look like to where both sides walk away happy?

Two things:

-I think we need a ball handling guard next to Brunson that can defend.

-Mitch and Mikal are expiring contracts which probably look attractive to Milwaukee.

I wonder if NY, MIL, PHX, and MIN can construct a 4 team deal to get what everyone wants?

At some point, if that presents itself, it becomes Dolan's decision rather than Leon's, doesn't it?

GA with Brunson and decent pieces might be good enough for a 'ship, like Denver with Jokich, but it also could fall into the perennial 2nd round Playoff exit, something like Lillard and GA are in now.

But the Bucks did get one, as did Denver. So maybe it's worth going for that ONE season. Toronto also did and got it. Perhaps that's the new normal in the NBA, though OKC may disrupt that new-champ-every-year current 8-year run.

Our surrounding pieces are much better than Milwaukee's... much better.

[KnixinSix]

For me the framework is KAT going to a 3rd team who need either a talent upgrade or offense upgrade. Then they send their package to Milwaukee and the Knicks sweeten that pot a bit for Milwaukee (Hello Deuce McBride and our only tradeable 1st )

Some semi-obvious teams I've thought of would be:

Magic- Franz may be a nice piece to get back for Milwaukee and they desperately need an offensive upgrade
Houston- Plenty of young players and mid tier contracts to work with/ number 10 pick as well. Desperately need offense. May look at KAT as an upgrade on Sengun.
Detroit- Some interesting young pieces outside of Cade. Need more talent and KAT provides much needed spacing for Cade to operate. Similar dynamic to Brunson and KAT.
Toronto- Glut of wings. Need better roster distribution and shooting

Some sneaky teams that may have a seemingly smaller need for KAT but probably need to make a move one way or another:

Clippers- Secretly a very treadmilly team right now. Kawhi, Harden and Powell is a pretty old core to be working with. Zubac took another step this season but he's really their only young-ish impact player. I'd be looking at them as a team who could shake it up out of nowhere.

Miami- Maybe they see KAT and Bam as an elite frontcourt? Can't say I would disagree. Herro young all-star back to Milwaukee (he's from the area FWIW). Long shot especially with Pat the Rat in charge but crazier things have happened.

Memphis - Feels like anything can happen here. Maybe not in a Giannis trade but a team that is in flux and needs a shakeup.


Overall, I think the Knicks don't need to panic here and one thing I'll say about Leon is he generally avoids the panic move. (Generally doing some heavy lifting here given what we gave up for Bridges but I think that move was well-intentioned). Either way I think he's had a good feel about when to make major changes and when minor adjustments are needed. It goes without saying that if Giannis wants to come to your team you need to explore every scenario to make that happen but, I wouldn't necessarily be upset if the Knicks look to make smaller upgrades on the margins and banked on internal development adding more depth and quality to the team next year...

I keep going back to JJJ/Bane for KAT/Bridges . It makes sense for both sides for so many reasons.

I think JJJ/Bane/Clarke for KAT/Bridges works cap wise. We also know the grizz value Mikal they were one of the teams offering like 4 1sts for him.

I think it certainly could be something to look into.

Brunson/Bane/OG/JJJ/Mitch

with

Deuce, Hart, and Clarke off the bench. I think we even save like 5 MM in that trade...and would open up an exemption where maybe Leon buddy CP3 would come on a 1 year deal year to help run the bench?

Right now its my top option in terms of fit, medium/long term roster construction, and benefit for both teams.

My fave if we can swing it is a 3 way deal with Minny getting back Divo too.

[spree8]

If Giannis requests to be sent here, I think Milwaukee will do right by him.

So what does the framework of a deal for Giannis look like to where both sides walk away happy?

Two things:

-I think we need a ball handling guard next to Brunson that can defend.

-Mitch and Mikal are expiring contracts which probably look attractive to Milwaukee.

I wonder if NY, MIL, PHX, and MIN can construct a 4 team deal to get what everyone wants?

For me the framework is KAT going to a 3rd team who need either a talent upgrade or offense upgrade. Then they send their package to Milwaukee and the Knicks sweeten that pot a bit for Milwaukee (Hello Deuce McBride and our only tradeable 1st )

Some semi-obvious teams I've thought of would be:

Magic- Franz may be a nice piece to get back for Milwaukee and they desperately need an offensive upgrade
Houston- Plenty of young players and mid tier contracts to work with/ number 10 pick as well. Desperately need offense. May look at KAT as an upgrade on Sengun.
Detroit- Some interesting young pieces outside of Cade. Need more talent and KAT provides much needed spacing for Cade to operate. Similar dynamic to Brunson and KAT.
Toronto- Glut of wings. Need better roster distribution and shooting

Some sneaky teams that may have a seemingly smaller need for KAT but probably need to make a move one way or another:

Clippers- Secretly a very treadmilly team right now. Kawhi, Harden and Powell is a pretty old core to be working with. Zubac took another step this season but he's really their only young-ish impact player. I'd be looking at them as a team who could shake it up out of nowhere.

Miami- Maybe they see KAT and Bam as an elite frontcourt? Can't say I would disagree. Herro young all-star back to Milwaukee (he's from the area FWIW). Long shot especially with Pat the Rat in charge but crazier things have happened.

Memphis - Feels like anything can happen here. Maybe not in a Giannis trade but a team that is in flux and needs a shakeup.


Overall, I think the Knicks don't need to panic here and one thing I'll say about Leon is he generally avoids the panic move. (Generally doing some heavy lifting here given what we gave up for Bridges but I think that move was well-intentioned). Either way I think he's had a good feel about when to make major changes and when minor adjustments are needed. It goes without saying that if Giannis wants to come to your team you need to explore every scenario to make that happen but, I wouldn't necessarily be upset if the Knicks look to make smaller upgrades on the margins and banked on internal development adding more depth and quality to the team next year...

Yea I really don’t know what team outside of PHX that would be interested in KAT, especially with this borderline hit piece that came out about his teammates/defense. That really hurts at the negotiation table.

Magic seem like a good fit on paper, but their defensive identity would be massacred with Paolo/KAT at the 4/5, and I doubt they trade Wagner for him as most perceive his value as amongst the highest in the league.

A 4-team deal between NY/MIN/PHX/MIL would be complex, but not impossible. Bucks are in a tough spot as they don’t have their own picks so tanking isn’t appealing. They’d need young promising players and other teams picks along with some vet types to put fans in the seats and try to get to the Play-In.

That being said, something like…


PHX: KAT
MIN: KD
NYK: Giannis
MIL: Randle, DDV, Dillingham, Dunn, Kolek, Dadiet, Huk, Shannon Jr, L.Miller, 26’ WAS 1st, 27’ & 29’ PHX 1st’s

Would have to wait until FA for Randle to opt in, and would need to be a 2-part trade since PHX can’t aggregate with KD.

Still kinda weak for Milwaukee tho. Giannis would really need to pick us and only us. Not sure what else these teams could add to make it more palatable for them. Maybe we’d have to trade a core player elsewhere for more assets since we’re making out really well lol..

[8516knicks]

If Giannis requests to be sent here, I think Milwaukee will do right by him.

So what does the framework of a deal for Giannis look like to where both sides walk away happy?

Two things:

-I think we need a ball handling guard next to Brunson that can defend.

-Mitch and Mikal are expiring contracts which probably look attractive to Milwaukee.

I wonder if NY, MIL, PHX, and MIN can construct a 4 team deal to get what everyone wants?

At some point, if that presents itself, it becomes Dolan's decision rather than Leon's, doesn't it?

GA with Brunson and decent pieces might be good enough for a 'ship, like Denver with Jokich, but it also could fall into the perennial 2nd round Playoff exit, something like Lillard and GA are in now.

But the Bucks did get one, as did Denver. So maybe it's worth going for that ONE season. Toronto also did and got it. Perhaps that's the new normal in the NBA, though OKC may disrupt that new-champ-every-year current 8-year run.

Our surrounding pieces are much better than Milwaukee's... much better.

But what would they be after a trade for GA?

[mpharris36]

What about:

KAT, Hart, Mitch, and salary filler (PJ Tucker, etc.), WAS 1st

for

Barnes, Poeltl, Quickley, TOR 1st

We get younger, improve our defense, and improve our depth. And getting a future 1st opens up our ability to trade our own 1sts in some years.

For Toronto, they get back to the playoffs and get some "dogs".

KAT for Scottie Barnes sounds like a really bad idea. KAT for his faults impacts winning. I have yet to see that from Scottie Barnes who can't shoot and is a mediocre defender at best.

and Mitch is better than Poeltl

[sol537]

What about:

KAT, Hart, Mitch, and salary filler (PJ Tucker, etc.), WAS 1st

for

Barnes, Poeltl, Quickley, TOR 1st

We get younger, improve our defense, and improve our depth. And getting a future 1st opens up our ability to trade our own 1sts in some years.

For Toronto, they get back to the playoffs and get some "dogs".

KAT for Scottie Barnes sounds like a really bad idea. KAT for his faults impacts winning. I have yet to see that from Scottie Barnes who can't shoot and is a mediocre defender at best.

and Mitch is better than Poeltl

Yeah, Scottie would have to take another step in development which everyone has been waiting for… Mitch is better but Poeltl is more durable.

[Knicksfan1992]

I guess I just disagree with most here on KAT's value around the league.

The Knicks gave up a multiple time all-star, an elite shooter on a cheap deal and a 1st to get him. Then KAT had one of his best seasons as a pro right after and was a major contributor of a team that was 2 wins away from the Finals... At worst he's maintained a similar level of value IMO

And this idea he is unplayable in the playoffs at all is a bit bananas to me. His career playoff stats sit at:

20/11/2 on 48/35/83 splits.

The guy has value even if his fit can be a bit wonky on certain teams and he really raises a team's offensive floor and ceiling. Every player who isn't an all-time great has flaws. Every championship roster has had to find a way to fit major players who have flaws into a winning formula. KAT is not some dooming player who kills all hope . His recent playoff successes directly contradict that IMO.

[GONYK]

I guess I just disagree with most here on KAT's value around the league.

The Knicks gave up a multiple time all-star, an elite shooter on a cheap deal and a 1st to get him. Then KAT had one of his best seasons as a pro right after and was a major contributor of a team that was 2 wins away from the Finals... At worst he's maintained a similar level of value IMO

And this idea he is unplayable in the playoffs at all is a bit bananas to me. His career playoff stats sit at:

20/11/2 on 48/35/83 splits.

The guy has value even if his fit can be a bit wonky on certain teams and he really raises a team's offensive floor and ceiling. Every player who isn't an all-time great has flaws. Every championship roster has had to find a way to fit major players who have flaws into a winning formula. KAT is not some dooming player who kills all hope . His recent playoff successes directly contradict that IMO.

Really, what stands between KAT from being a great fit is learning how to set a screen and stop zoning out on defense.

These issues are both minor/controllable and yet present for his whole career.

[mpharris36]

What about:

KAT, Hart, Mitch, and salary filler (PJ Tucker, etc.), WAS 1st

for

Barnes, Poeltl, Quickley, TOR 1st

We get younger, improve our defense, and improve our depth. And getting a future 1st opens up our ability to trade our own 1sts in some years.

For Toronto, they get back to the playoffs and get some "dogs".

KAT for Scottie Barnes sounds like a really bad idea. KAT for his faults impacts winning. I have yet to see that from Scottie Barnes who can't shoot and is a mediocre defender at best.

and Mitch is better than Poeltl

Yeah, Scottie would have to take another step in development which everyone has been waiting for… Mitch is better but Poeltl is more durable.

we aren't really in the position to wait for "take another step". Not gambling on Brunson's career like that.

[KnixinSix]

I guess I just disagree with most here on KAT's value around the league.

The Knicks gave up a multiple time all-star, an elite shooter on a cheap deal and a 1st to get him. Then KAT had one of his best seasons as a pro right after and was a major contributor of a team that was 2 wins away from the Finals... At worst he's maintained a similar level of value IMO

And this idea he is unplayable in the playoffs at all is a bit bananas to me. His career playoff stats sit at:

20/11/2 on 48/35/83 splits.

The guy has value even if his fit can be a bit wonky on certain teams and he really raises a team's offensive floor and ceiling. Every player who isn't an all-time great has flaws. Every championship roster has had to find a way to fit major players who have flaws into a winning formula. KAT is not some dooming player who kills all hope . His recent playoff successes directly contradict that IMO.

Excellent perspective. He has tremendous value. Where it goes now is fit for our current roster. I think we saw this team is top 4. But offensively elite teams will matchup hunt and destroy two defensive deficit players when they play simultaneously in the lineup.

Therefore is a championship is the true goal....Brunson/KAT is not ideal.

[Garbagelo]

Tell me this story doesn't just write itself, just in time for NBA on NBC with their lovely storytelling

[mpharris36]

I guess I just disagree with most here on KAT's value around the league.

The Knicks gave up a multiple time all-star, an elite shooter on a cheap deal and a 1st to get him. Then KAT had one of his best seasons as a pro right after and was a major contributor of a team that was 2 wins away from the Finals... At worst he's maintained a similar level of value IMO

And this idea he is unplayable in the playoffs at all is a bit bananas to me. His career playoff stats sit at:

20/11/2 on 48/35/83 splits.

The guy has value even if his fit can be a bit wonky on certain teams and he really raises a team's offensive floor and ceiling. Every player who isn't an all-time great has flaws. Every championship roster has had to find a way to fit major players who have flaws into a winning formula. KAT is not some dooming player who kills all hope . His recent playoff successes directly contradict that IMO.

Really, what stands between KAT from being a great fit is learning how to set a screen and stop zoning out on defense.

These issues are both minor/controllable and yet present for his whole career.

The not meshing with Brunson on offense is concerning. But the 2nd most is if the coaching staff is going to stay and they have came out publicly now that he was messing up defensive coverages. How can you trust him to not continue to do that.

There is no denying his talent...and the trade still makes sense for what we gave up and what we got back in return. But its a legit question to ask going forward if it makes sense because KAT's value went up this year IMO. He was healthy...metrically he was our best player. He was an all-star starter and 3rd team all NBA...his value certainly didn't go down.

But ever move has to be with Brunson in mind going forward.

[thebuzzardman]

Let’s pretend that JJJ to Knicks rumor that fat sh*t Windwurst floated was true.

Mitch,Hart,future pick. Also pretending this is enough

Does JJJ provide enough Mitch like stuff while being better taller at PF than Hart improve the Knicks or is it bad fit, they will miss the open court play and secondary play making?

Feel like the Knicks are a half player upgrade away from true contenders

Maybe they just need a stronger bench

Thought KAT and Mikal were the final pieces but now seems like the last really difficult move is pending

Bumpity bump bump

[mpharris36]

Tell me this story doesn't just write itself, just in time for NBA on NBC with their lovely storytelling

I get it but our depth does get zapped again. And its a 2 for 1 trade. I see it like a 3 for 1 trade to be honest. Hart had a monster year because of KAT's spacing. Hart and Giannis will not mesh well...so your killing his value as well.

I'm torn because Giannis is Giannis...but it doesn't solve all our issues because our depth still sucks...we lose shooting...and your relying even more on Mitch and OG's health.

[thebuzzardman]

I don’t know what is a bigger need - a secondary ball handler or a durable big to play next to KAT (you can’t play Mitch but minutes all season). But I’m pretty confident one of the wings is going to need to be moved to balance the roster.

After a year of watching the 3 wings together, it feels like they are more redundant than complimentary and the whole is worth less than the sum of the parts. It’s starts with all 3 guys being small forwards - meaning two guys are playing out of position all the time.

I’m a little concerned that Anunoby’s value on his contract will be a little underwhelming - although he is an elite defender and the best of the 3 - even if his offense can be very frustrating at times.

We will never get close to the value back for Bridges that we have up. And now we have to deal with his contract extension. He’s a soft player who’s not made for New York and is quickly turning into our generations Bobby Bonilla.

Hart is a 25 MPG guy off the bench, and he’s neutral value at best on his contract

Leon Rose overpaid for everyone and did it on a credit card. I am very concerned that this is the ceiling on this team. And it’s going to take 6 years to pay off all that pick debt.

It’s crazy the difference a year makes. Last year we were a team on the rise with a flexible cap sheet and excess draft capital. This year we are a team with a bloated cap sheet and no picks.

This is where I'm at

[dakomish23]

Kat vs Garland / Allen

I think that's something a lot of ppl will be discussing

Giannis / Pat for Garland / Allen works in the trade checker