Trades and Transactions 2025 continued x2

[KnixinSix]

See reply above....

No thanks. I have read enough of these trade proposals for unavailable players and four team deals and all sorts of wild stuff. Mikal and Mitch are better than Kessler/Smith. We aren't making this trade.

Maybe Bridges fits into a 3-team trade where Knicks get JJJ, Rockets gets Bridges, Grizzlies get Whitmore and Jabari.

Obviously getting JJJ in a deal and not having to give up KAT or Brunson has to be at the very top of the list.

[Jalen Bluntson]

See reply above....

No thanks. I have read enough of these trade proposals for unavailable players and four team deals and all sorts of wild stuff. Mikal and Mitch are better than Kessler/Smith. We aren't making this trade.

Unfortunately, This is where the fandom part blinds us to the business part of this reality

It's all good. I get it. It's just too much to read.

[knickstape4ever]

I mean we have footage of him passing up layups for a middies

if you can't up your intensity for thibs it seems like a you-problem. even if kat sucks at d, you saw him hustling for boards and trying his hardest out there. mikal floated through the entire season besides some big moments vs boston imo

Nonsense. Mikal was one of or best players during that December run. He has several game winning blocks/steals this year and in the playoffs. The shyt this guy gets for being completely abused by Thibs is ridiculous.

clear that when he was engaged fully, he was the player we pretty much expected

[Jalen Bluntson]

See reply above....

No thanks. I have read enough of these trade proposals for unavailable players and four team deals and all sorts of wild stuff. Mikal and Mitch are better than Kessler/Smith. We aren't making this trade.

Maybe Bridges fits into a 3-team trade where Knicks get JJJ, Rockets gets Bridges, Grizzlies get Whitmore and Jabari.

Maybe. Or not.

[KnixinSix]

Its fine if you want to trade Mikal+Mitch

just find a much better package.

I did...but as Plan C or D I like this one too.


Plan A. Giannis. It's Giannis and probably why why are pushing so hard for Kidd.

Plan B. JJJ. Perfect complement to KAT in frontcourt. I can understand why this could even be Plan A for some as well as it may not cost as much. Does he extend with Memphis tho.....

Plan C. Kessler/Smith/Divo. Offensive rebound and blocking machine. Still young and cost controlled. If you also can pull off Jabari with him that is an excellent frontcourt combo to pair with KAT if you can't land the bigger fishies. Divo plays the bomber role of the year prior.

Plan C for a lake of better terms stinks. Mikal can still extend and so can Mitch.

We aren't trying to take a step back and that is exactly what plan C does.

I mean ok, we all can have opinions but how does next years team look when you turn down plan C and Mitch is out for the season again 30 games in...then him and Mikal bolt at the end of year ?

Extending either brings us over 2nd apron. And extending Mitch is super risky business when Kessler who offers fairly similar things is CAA ,is cost controlled and clearly less injury prone is clearly the better option when taking all the variables into account.

Even with your particularly extreme negative view of it, Plan C all of a sudden looks a ton better

[KnixinSix]

if you can't up your intensity for thibs it seems like a you-problem. even if kat sucks at d, you saw him hustling for boards and trying his hardest out there. mikal floated through the entire season besides some big moments vs boston imo

Nonsense. Mikal was one of or best players during that December run. He has several game winning blocks/steals this year and in the playoffs. The shyt this guy gets for being completely abused by Thibs is ridiculous.

clear that when he was engaged fully, he was the player we pretty much expected

Mikal utilized properly is a fantastic player but he is option 3 max and sometimes option 4 between KAT Brunson and OG. Jabari wont need the offensive touches that Mikal needs to be his best. He can focus on D and getting points within the flow of offense. Kessler will be rim running and cleaning up any messes around the rim. Parts fit much better.

[mpharris36]

I did...but as Plan C or D I like this one too.


Plan A. Giannis. It's Giannis and probably why why are pushing so hard for Kidd.

Plan B. JJJ. Perfect complement to KAT in frontcourt. I can understand why this could even be Plan A for some as well as it may not cost as much. Does he extend with Memphis tho.....

Plan C. Kessler/Smith/Divo. Offensive rebound and blocking machine. Still young and cost controlled. If you also can pull off Jabari with him that is an excellent frontcourt combo to pair with KAT if you can't land the bigger fishies. Divo plays the bomber role of the year prior.

Plan C for a lake of better terms stinks. Mikal can still extend and so can Mitch.

We aren't trying to take a step back and that is exactly what plan C does.

I mean ok, we all can have opinions but how does next years team look when you turn down plan C and Mitch is out for the season again 30 games in...then him and Mikal bolt at the end of year ?

Extending either brings us over 2nd apron. And extending Mitch is super risky business when Kessler who offers fairly similar things is CAA ,is cost controlled and clearly less injury prone is clearly the better option when taking all the variables into account.

Even with your particularly extreme negative view of it, Plan C all of a sudden looks a ton better

They are going to know Mikal's decision way before he can "bolt"...he extends this offseason or he is likely to be traded. They aren't going to risk that.

So I am aligned with not going into the season with him on an expiring deal. That can't and likely wont happen.

My issue is the return...for a guy that never has played a meaningful game in his career (Kessler) even though he's an effective rim protector and offensive rebounder, a guy who's role in HOU has diminished the last few years as basically a bench role player...and then a bench piece that we overrate here in Donte where you can find high volume shooting throughout the league.

If Mikal gets traded it won't be to take a considerable step back. He is a trust worthy 3rd type option playing 35-40 minutes in the playoffs...you can't deal that for some ifs and maybe's.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Nonsense. Mikal was one of or best players during that December run. He has several game winning blocks/steals this year and in the playoffs. The shyt this guy gets for being completely abused by Thibs is ridiculous.

clear that when he was engaged fully, he was the player we pretty much expected

Mikal utilized properly is a fantastic player but he is option 3 max and sometimes option 4 between KAT Brunson and OG. Jabari wont need the offensive touches that Mikal needs to be his best. He can focus on D and getting points within the flow of offense. Kessler will be rim running and cleaning up any messes around the rim. Parts fit much better.

It's NEVER going to happen.

[stuporman]

With everybody lowballing the Suns I wonder if Rose can steal Durant for cheap....which then he would promptly last as long as Rodgers did for the Jets.

[mpharris36]

With everybody lowballing the Suns I wonder if Rose can steal Durant for cheap....which then he would promptly last as long as Rodgers did for the Jets.

what do you consider cheap...we have to give up 55 MM worth of contracts...it won't be cheap from the Knicks POV.

[Appleshampoo]

Plan C for a lake of better terms stinks. Mikal can still extend and so can Mitch.

We aren't trying to take a step back and that is exactly what plan C does.

I mean ok, we all can have opinions but how does next years team look when you turn down plan C and Mitch is out for the season again 30 games in...then him and Mikal bolt at the end of year ?

Extending either brings us over 2nd apron. And extending Mitch is super risky business when Kessler who offers fairly similar things is CAA ,is cost controlled and clearly less injury prone is clearly the better option when taking all the variables into account.

Even with your particularly extreme negative view of it, Plan C all of a sudden looks a ton better

They are going to know Mikal's decision way before he can "bolt"...he extends this offseason or he is likely to be traded. They aren't going to risk that.

So I am aligned with not going into the season with him on an expiring deal. That can't and likely wont happen.

My issue is the return...for a guy that never has played a meaningful game in his career (Kessler) even though he's an effective rim protector and offensive rebounder, a guy who's role in HOU has diminished the last few years as basically a bench role player...and then a bench piece that we overrate here in Donte where you can find high volume shooting throughout the league.

If Mikal gets traded it won't be to take a considerable step back. He is a trust worthy 3rd type option playing 35-40 minutes in the playoffs...you can't deal that for some ifs and maybe's.

It feels like Hart is the odd man out to resign Bridges and stay under the 2nd apron.

[VirginiaKnickFan]

With everybody lowballing the Suns I wonder if Rose can steal Durant for cheap....which then he would promptly last as long as Rodgers did for the Jets.

what do you consider cheap...we have to give up 55 MM worth of contracts...it won't be cheap from the Knicks POV.

It's either KAT or no deal based on contracts alone. But it seems an exercise in futility, since the Knicks according to reports, have already expressed no interest in Durant.

[Jalen Bluntson]

I mean ok, we all can have opinions but how does next years team look when you turn down plan C and Mitch is out for the season again 30 games in...then him and Mikal bolt at the end of year ?

Extending either brings us over 2nd apron. And extending Mitch is super risky business when Kessler who offers fairly similar things is CAA ,is cost controlled and clearly less injury prone is clearly the better option when taking all the variables into account.

Even with your particularly extreme negative view of it, Plan C all of a sudden looks a ton better

They are going to know Mikal's decision way before he can "bolt"...he extends this offseason or he is likely to be traded. They aren't going to risk that.

So I am aligned with not going into the season with him on an expiring deal. That can't and likely wont happen.

My issue is the return...for a guy that never has played a meaningful game in his career (Kessler) even though he's an effective rim protector and offensive rebounder, a guy who's role in HOU has diminished the last few years as basically a bench role player...and then a bench piece that we overrate here in Donte where you can find high volume shooting throughout the league.

If Mikal gets traded it won't be to take a considerable step back. He is a trust worthy 3rd type option playing 35-40 minutes in the playoffs...you can't deal that for some ifs and maybe's.

It feels like Hart is the odd man out to resign Bridges and stay under the 2nd apron.

Hart being traded makes more sense than anything else being said in this thread.

As for the apron, they can extend him early and the extension doesn't kick in until the following year if I'm not mistaken. I wouldn't worry about the cap/apron with Brock Aller running things.

[mpharris36]

They are going to know Mikal's decision way before he can "bolt"...he extends this offseason or he is likely to be traded. They aren't going to risk that.

So I am aligned with not going into the season with him on an expiring deal. That can't and likely wont happen.

My issue is the return...for a guy that never has played a meaningful game in his career (Kessler) even though he's an effective rim protector and offensive rebounder, a guy who's role in HOU has diminished the last few years as basically a bench role player...and then a bench piece that we overrate here in Donte where you can find high volume shooting throughout the league.

If Mikal gets traded it won't be to take a considerable step back. He is a trust worthy 3rd type option playing 35-40 minutes in the playoffs...you can't deal that for some ifs and maybe's.

It feels like Hart is the odd man out to resign Bridges and stay under the 2nd apron.

Hart being traded makes more sense than anything else being said in this thread.

As for the apron, they can extend him early and the extension doesn't kick in until the following year if I'm not mistaken. I wouldn't worry about the cap/apron with Brock Aller running things.

Yeah you could extend Mikal and then just let Mitch expire and hope to go a cheaper route with Hukporti in 2 years or someone else at that point and avoid the 2nd apron.

The 2nd apron next year is not a thing to worry about.

[stuporman]

With everybody lowballing the Suns I wonder if Rose can steal Durant for cheap....which then he would promptly last as long as Rodgers did for the Jets.

what do you consider cheap...we have to give up 55 MM worth of contracts...it won't be cheap from the Knicks POV.

You missed the point of the post...I'll give you a moment to think about your life choices.

[KnixinSix]

I mean ok, we all can have opinions but how does next years team look when you turn down plan C and Mitch is out for the season again 30 games in...then him and Mikal bolt at the end of year ?

Extending either brings us over 2nd apron. And extending Mitch is super risky business when Kessler who offers fairly similar things is CAA ,is cost controlled and clearly less injury prone is clearly the better option when taking all the variables into account.

Even with your particularly extreme negative view of it, Plan C all of a sudden looks a ton better

They are going to know Mikal's decision way before he can "bolt"...he extends this offseason or he is likely to be traded. They aren't going to risk that.

So I am aligned with not going into the season with him on an expiring deal. That can't and likely wont happen.

My issue is the return...for a guy that never has played a meaningful game in his career (Kessler) even though he's an effective rim protector and offensive rebounder, a guy who's role in HOU has diminished the last few years as basically a bench role player...and then a bench piece that we overrate here in Donte where you can find high volume shooting throughout the league.

If Mikal gets traded it won't be to take a considerable step back. He is a trust worthy 3rd type option playing 35-40 minutes in the playoffs...you can't deal that for some ifs and maybe's.

It feels like Hart is the odd man out to resign Bridges and stay under the 2nd apron.

If we could pull that off I would much rather Hart be the one to go...but Hart likely won't get nearly as much back in value that Bridges would

[Jalen Bluntson]

It feels like Hart is the odd man out to resign Bridges and stay under the 2nd apron.

Hart being traded makes more sense than anything else being said in this thread.

As for the apron, they can extend him early and the extension doesn't kick in until the following year if I'm not mistaken. I wouldn't worry about the cap/apron with Brock Aller running things.

Yeah you could extend Mikal and then just let Mitch expire and hope to go a cheaper route with Hukporti in 2 years or someone else at that point and avoid the 2nd apron.

The 2nd apron next year is not a thing to worry about.

I think next year they have no problem going over the apron. It lines up with the deals they are handing out. This summer will not be the year they look to do so.

I'm pretty sure they are committed to everyone they brought in the last couple of seasons. It's called continuity. The talent is there. The HC needs to get the most out of it. It's the smaller pieces that will be on the table. JB/MB/OG/KAT is the core. Deuce/Hart/Mitch etc are potential trade pieces.

[Appleshampoo]

It feels like Hart is the odd man out to resign Bridges and stay under the 2nd apron.

Hart being traded makes more sense than anything else being said in this thread.

As for the apron, they can extend him early and the extension doesn't kick in until the following year if I'm not mistaken. I wouldn't worry about the cap/apron with Brock Aller running things.

Yeah you could extend Mikal and then just let Mitch expire and hope to go a cheaper route with Hukporti in 2 years or someone else at that point and avoid the 2nd apron.

The 2nd apron next year is not a thing to worry about.

That's good. Hart for Monk. Hart for Olynyk and Yves Missi. Adding bigs makes it easier to part with Huk or Mitch in another move. Hart is the "heart and soul of the team" and close with Brunson... losing Thibs and Hart in one off-season would rub people the wrong way.

[thebuzzardman]

Knicks get Durant/Giannis/JJJ/Kessler/Monk yet?

[MrDollarBills]

The core group of this roster is not changing until we see what the next coach can do. That's probably the reality.