Towns or Okafor or Mudiay or Russel?

[riter]

I hate the facts there is no clear cut must have top pics. Knicks cannot blow this one lol

this is what bothers me the most.If Okafur is the all world generational player that some say he is, it would be legit for people to say--"I told you so"

if he's Al Jefferson-it's still legit to say"I told you so."

that 's why I'm just hoping we can use our pick and PHilly to somehow get Boogie over here.

[el13adnino]

I hate the facts there is no clear cut must have top pics. Knicks cannot blow this one lol

i cant wait until the knicks find a way to fcuk this up

[Jay10]

Is towns anything like Anthony Davis?

Calipari told Francesa he thinks he is.

[newyorker4ever]

I hate the facts there is no clear cut must have top pics. Knicks cannot blow this one lol

i cant wait until the knicks find a way to fcuk this up

You can't wait until the Knicks **** this up?? Wow. This is the kind of things that blow my mind that people who call themselves Knicks fans have the nuts to even say. You're not a Knicks fan. Not a real one for sure.

[And100]

what point does this generic statement make? ofcourse every player has a bad category. You can find weakness with Duncan's game.
you base your choice on the strengths and weaknesses---who thinks the knicks need a Center who can't D up?

You asked how's he's the #1 pick. The answer is because most analyists believe he's better than everyone else eligible in the 2015 draft.

I don't care what the analyists opionions are. everyone has opinions. I'm interested in the reasoning behind their opinions.
I don't buy the argument that a flawed player like Okofur (even if he is a stud on offense)is that much of lock over say a more complete but less accomplished player like Towns --for instance.
In a nutshell--their arguments---to me atleast---just don't support the conclusion that Okafur is the best in the draft.
He's too flawed(at least for the franchise player we need) even by their own reasoning.

I misunderstand your concerns then. No analyst will be making the NY Knicks selection.

The NY Knicks will.

What we can probably agree on their is no Duncan or LBJ in this draft, somewhat highlighting the flaw in the draft rebuild strategy.

[And100]

I hate the facts there is no clear cut must have top pics. Knicks cannot blow this one lol

this is what bothers me the most.If Okafur is the all world generational player that some say he is, it would be legit for people to say--"I told you so"

if he's Al Jefferson-it's still legit to say"I told you so."

that 's why I'm just hoping we can use our pick and PHilly to somehow get Boogie over here.

If the Knicks wind up with Al Jefferson it'll be a productive draft.

Look at the top 4 draft picks per year going back as far as you like. Getting a superstar isn't automatic by picking 1 - 4. Not even 1.

[K_ick_God]

I guess I'm a fatalist a bit but I like the fact that there's no must-have top pick -- it'd be much more disappointing and less interesting when the 75% failure rate comes through.

[Meat]

Is towns anything like Anthony Davis?

not even close, he's nowhere as polished offensively and isnt the shotblocker he is

[Meat]

I hate the facts there is no clear cut must have top pics. Knicks cannot blow this one lol

this is what bothers me the most.If Okafur is the all world generational player that some say he is, it would be legit for people to say--"I told you so"

if he's Al Jefferson-it's still legit to say"I told you so."

that 's why I'm just hoping we can use our pick and PHilly to somehow get Boogie over here.

If the Knicks wind up with Al Jefferson it'll be a productive draft.

Look at the top 4 draft picks per year going back as far as you like. Getting a superstar isn't automatic by picking 1 - 4. Not even 1.

if we end up with al jefferson instead of boogie cousins is it still productive?

[ibraheim718]

Is towns anything like Anthony Davis?

Calipari told Francesa he thinks he is.

It's Cal's job to sell these kids because he wants to keep being the place one and done kids want to go. But make no mistake Towns is nothing like AD defensively.. nothing. AD has an insane ability to close out on shooters and is mobile enough to cover guards Towns isn't. People are being mesmerized by his effort and hustle and that leads them to think he's more versatile defensively than he really is.

[And100]

this is what bothers me the most.If Okafur is the all world generational player that some say he is, it would be legit for people to say--"I told you so"

if he's Al Jefferson-it's still legit to say"I told you so."

that 's why I'm just hoping we can use our pick and PHilly to somehow get Boogie over here.

If the Knicks wind up with Al Jefferson it'll be a productive draft.

Look at the top 4 draft picks per year going back as far as you like. Getting a superstar isn't automatic by picking 1 - 4. Not even 1.

if we end up with al jefferson instead of boogie cousins is it still productive?

I guess that depends on whether or not you believe acquiring "Boogie" is simply a matter of the Knicks deciding they want to. That they definitely have a choice between him and the draft pick.

[And100]

Is towns anything like Anthony Davis?

not even close, he's nowhere as polished offensively and isnt the shotblocker he is

I believe the relevant question is does he comp to AD when Davis was coming out.

Highly doubtful defensively, but I seem to recall Davis being VERY raw offensively back then.

Can anyone fact check me?

[Fat Kat]

this is what bothers me the most.If Okafur is the all world generational player that some say he is, it would be legit for people to say--"I told you so"

if he's Al Jefferson-it's still legit to say"I told you so."

that 's why I'm just hoping we can use our pick and PHilly to somehow get Boogie over here.

If the Knicks wind up with Al Jefferson it'll be a productive draft.

Look at the top 4 draft picks per year going back as far as you like. Getting a superstar isn't automatic by picking 1 - 4. Not even 1.

if we end up with al jefferson instead of boogie cousins is it still productive?

Anything aside from rumor and innuendo that says we have a chance at Cousins. If not, why not replace Cousins' name with Lebron.

[And100]

I guess I'm a fatalist a bit but I like the fact that there's no must-have top pick -- it'd be much more disappointing and less interesting when the 75% failure rate comes through.

Ha! good point.

Historically speaking, I believe teams have had more success picking 4 than 2 or 3 too.

Perhaps its because 4 tends to be selected on merit, rather than projected upside/potential.

[NBA Fan 1234]

Is towns anything like Anthony Davis?

Calipari told Francesa he thinks he is.

It's Cal's job to sell these kids because he wants to keep being the place one and done kids want to go. But make no mistake Towns is nothing like AD defensively.. nothing. AD has an insane ability to close out on shooters and is mobile enough to cover guards Towns isn't. People are being mesmerized by his effort and hustle and that leads them to think he's more versatile defensively than he really is.

The offense I'm curious about, but you're spot on defensively. AD has the quickness of a guard and is a shot blocker anywhere on the court because of his quick twitch muscles / quick short bursts of explosive movements. I like Towns, but he's not going to be chasing guys on the perimeter / switching onto smaller guards consistently and having the same effect AD has. He'll defend the rim fine, but that's a rim protector -- not a shot blocker.

Basically, AD is in a league of his own defensively.

[moocow007]

I think some folks are stuck thinking just because the last 2 drafts hasn't produced anything that it means the Knicks shouldn't expect anything. But if you go back the 10 drafts before that and you'll see plenty of franchise type guys were gotten. Every draft had one at least.

2012 - Anthony Davis (1), Damian Lillard (6)
2011 - Kyrie Irving (1)
2010 - John Wall (1), Paul George (10)
2009 - Blake Griffin (1), James Harden (3), Steph Curry (7)
2008 - Derrick Rose (1), Russel Westbrook (4), Kevin Love (5)
2007 - Kevin Durant (2)
2006 - Lamarcus Aldridge (2)
2005 - Chris Paul (4)
2004 - Dwight Howard (1)
2003 - Lebron James (1), Carmelo Anthony (3), Chris Bosh (4), Dwayne Wade (5)

So just because the last 2 drafts were underwhelming doesn't mean this one will. The Knicks just need to find the right one.

[JXL]

I think some folks are stuck thinking just because the last 2 drafts hasn't produced anything that it means the Knicks shouldn't expect anything. But if you go back the 10 drafts before that and you'll see plenty of franchise type guys were gotten. Every draft had one at least.

2012 - Anthony Davis (1)
2011 - Kyrie Irving (1)
2010 - John Wall (1), Paul George (10)
2009 - Blake Griffin (1), James Harden (3), Steph Curry (7)
2008 - Derrick Rose (1), Russel Westbrook (4), Kevin Love (5)
2007 - Kevin Durant (2)
2006 - Lamarcus Aldridge (2)
2005 - Chris Paul (4)
2004 - Dwight Howard (1)
2003 - Lebron James (1), Carmelo Anthony (3), Chris Bosh (4), Dwayne Wade (5)

So just because the last 2 drafts were underwhelming doesn't mean this one will. The Knicks just need to find the right one.

But you know the saying: For every Kyrie Irving there's a Jan Vesely.

[NBA Fan 1234]

I think some folks are stuck thinking just because the last 2 drafts hasn't produced anything that it means the Knicks shouldn't expect anything. But if you go back the 10 drafts before that and you'll see plenty of franchise type guys were gotten. Every draft had one at least.

2012 - Anthony Davis (1)
2011 - Kyrie Irving (1)
2010 - John Wall (1), Paul George (10)
2009 - Blake Griffin (1), James Harden (3), Steph Curry (7)
2008 - Derrick Rose (1), Russel Westbrook (4), Kevin Love (5)
2007 - Kevin Durant (2)
2006 - Lamarcus Aldridge (2)
2005 - Chris Paul (4)
2004 - Dwight Howard (1)
2003 - Lebron James (1), Carmelo Anthony (3), Chris Bosh (4), Dwayne Wade (5)

So just because the last 2 drafts were underwhelming doesn't mean this one will. The Knicks just need to find the right one.

But you know the saying: For every Kyrie Irving there's a Jan Vesely.

And anyone who watched him play could have seen that coming.

[JBreezeNY]

Is towns anything like Anthony Davis?

not even close, he's nowhere as polished offensively and isnt the shotblocker he is

I believe the relevant question is does he comp to AD when Davis was coming out.

Highly doubtful defensively, but I seem to recall Davis being VERY raw offensively back then.

Can anyone fact check me?

I don't have to check I can tell you just off memory that AD was raw as fu*k coming out of College but he showed glimpses.........just like Towns.

His post-up possessions were woeful........just like Towns.

The big difference between the two is AD seems to be more explosive & more quicker even though Towns is very capable of running the floor & going end to end on a break.

As far as defense goes AD averaged 4.7 blocks (5.8 Blocks Per 40) while playing 32 minutes a game. Compare that to KAT who is averaging 2.2 blocks (4.3 Blocks per 40) WHILE ONLY PLAYING 20 MINUTES A GAME!!!! Really ponder what he'd be averaging if he had AD's minutes.

But to be completely fair AD>>>>>>>Towns as a defender & Towns fouls way too much.

[JXL]

I think some folks are stuck thinking just because the last 2 drafts hasn't produced anything that it means the Knicks shouldn't expect anything. But if you go back the 10 drafts before that and you'll see plenty of franchise type guys were gotten. Every draft had one at least.

2012 - Anthony Davis (1)
2011 - Kyrie Irving (1)
2010 - John Wall (1), Paul George (10)
2009 - Blake Griffin (1), James Harden (3), Steph Curry (7)
2008 - Derrick Rose (1), Russel Westbrook (4), Kevin Love (5)
2007 - Kevin Durant (2)
2006 - Lamarcus Aldridge (2)
2005 - Chris Paul (4)
2004 - Dwight Howard (1)
2003 - Lebron James (1), Carmelo Anthony (3), Chris Bosh (4), Dwayne Wade (5)

So just because the last 2 drafts were underwhelming doesn't mean this one will. The Knicks just need to find the right one.

But you know the saying: For every Kyrie Irving there's a Jan Vesely.

And anyone who watched him play could have seen that coming.

Exactly. Advanced scouting is deceiving. That's why analytics is good, but stay on the eyeball test.