Knicks-Rockets PG: Who didn't see this coming?

[JXL]

I love the fantastic logic this board applies that Phil talking to players at practice is the reason we lost this game... get real.

The reason we lost this game is because we gave up 118 points and give up wide open 3's as if it's a philosophy of ours to do so. Our offense isn't great but, that will fix itself. There's too much talent on that end to not be at least average. It's the defense we should all be concerned with especially KP"s. If he continues to struggle covering stretch bigs then it's going to be a long season.

And you don't think Phil insisting on running an expired, too slow, predictable offense has a lot to do with it? If players aren't comfortable and happy playing offense, they are not going to try their best on defense.

Why are you complaining about that? I saw very little triangle ran in that game.

You should be worried about giving up the absurd amount of 3's, wide-open looks at the rim, backdoor cuts, etc. This team wouldn't defend my mother, and she would put up 30 in her 70 year old self against this team.

[NYKnicksTAPE]

Dennis Smith vs Markelle Fultz

this is a good draft to have a lottery pick

we won't get either of them tho, this team will finish as a low playoff seed or just outside the playoffs with a 9th or 10th seed...then we'll be hoping that Gaines can find us a gem with a mid lotto pick

[sasso]

Phil is really effing this up man. He shoved Kurt Rambis down Hornacek's throat as an assistant coach instead of finding a legit defensive assistant coach and look at what happens...we end up with a team that has no idea what it's doing on D and the same old triangle problems. This is the third consecutive year where they have had problems with players "fitting" into the triangle, added to the fact that the triangle is too predictable to be effective. The players hate this system and it shows in the effort they put in last night. Is it really such a horrible thing to just copy the Spurs or Golden State's system and hire a fiery Thibodeau-like defensive assistant coach to get us to play strong D?

[HKSVIP]

Lance should start in Porzingis' spot. That way we have a 5 off the bench who can be the focus of the offense and he can protect the paint and not have to be out on shooters. This might reduce O'Quinn's minutes but that is something we will need to do even though he is playing well this season

Rose/Jennings
Lee/Baker
Thomas/Holiday
Melo/O'Quinn
Noah/KP

[BeagleBoss]

I love the fantastic logic this board applies that Phil talking to players at practice is the reason we lost this game... get real.

The reason we lost this game is because we gave up 118 points and give up wide open 3's as if it's a philosophy of ours to do so. Our offense isn't great but, that will fix itself. There's too much talent on that end to not be at least average. It's the defense we should all be concerned with especially KP"s. If he continues to struggle covering stretch bigs then it's going to be a long season.

And you don't think Phil insisting on running an expired, too slow, predictable offense has a lot to do with it? If players aren't comfortable and happy playing offense, they are not going to try their best on defense.

Why are you complaining about that? I saw very little triangle ran in that game.

You should be worried about giving up the absurd amount of 3's, wide-open looks at the rim, backdoor cuts, etc. This team wouldn't defend my mother, and she would put up 30 in her 70 year old self against this team.

What games are you watching? EVERYTHING in the halfcourt has been triangle.

[JXL]

And you don't think Phil insisting on running an expired, too slow, predictable offense has a lot to do with it? If players aren't comfortable and happy playing offense, they are not going to try their best on defense.

Why are you complaining about that? I saw very little triangle ran in that game.

You should be worried about giving up the absurd amount of 3's, wide-open looks at the rim, backdoor cuts, etc. This team wouldn't defend my mother, and she would put up 30 in her 70 year old self against this team.

What games are you watching? EVERYTHING in the halfcourt has been triangle.

You must be tripping. Only time they ran triangle was out of bounds plays.

[whocares1]

I love the fantastic logic this board applies that Phil talking to players at practice is the reason we lost this game... get real.

The reason we lost this game is because we gave up 118 points and give up wide open 3's as if it's a philosophy of ours to do so. Our offense isn't great but, that will fix itself. There's too much talent on that end to not be at least average. It's the defense we should all be concerned with especially KP"s. If he continues to struggle covering stretch bigs then it's going to be a long season.

And you don't think Phil insisting on running an expired, too slow, predictable offense has a lot to do with it? If players aren't comfortable and happy playing offense, they are not going to try their best on defense.

Why are you complaining about that? I saw very little triangle ran in that game.

You should be worried about giving up the absurd amount of 3's, wide-open looks at the rim, backdoor cuts, etc. This team wouldn't defend my mother, and she would put up 30 in her 70 year old self against this team.

Ironically the triangle is also our problem defensively, because they are defending the triangle in practice.

[xNewYorkMadex]

Mike D'Antoni wanted to annihilate us last night

This guy was bitching hard about a continuation call up 23 pts in the 4th qtr. Rockets up by 30 and his starters are still out there in the 4th. Was it his first W against the Knicks at MSG since he resigned?

Either way, he wanted to run up the score so bad

[Sark]

Lance should start in Porzingis' spot. That way we have a 5 off the bench who can be the focus of the offense and he can protect the paint and not have to be out on shooters. This might reduce O'Quinn's minutes but that is something we will need to do even though he is playing well this season

Rose/Jennings
Lee/Baker
Thomas/Holiday
Melo/O'Quinn
Noah/KP

Lance needs his minutes cut, and you want to start him?

[HEZI]

The same can be said for the team as a whole, but that's not stopping the over the top reactions or the tank rhetoric. KP will improve and the team will improve. Let's just not pick and choose who can be criticized. KP is a big reason this team is struggling.

Except Rose Noah Melo and the other vets are largely already playing at the highest or close to it level they are capable of at this point in their careers... they wont get much better.. this team is what theyre showing us they are. Ass

Noah doesn't have any lift. The thing that's throwing me off is Rose doing nothing but getting attempts at the rim and not shooting 1 FT. He gets 2 calls (and that's modest) yesterday and his line looks so much better 8-16 with 20 but he's getting so much contact and no call

He gets killed at the rim constantly but no call. Last night on one particular drive he got sandwiched by 3 Rockets defenders and they still didn't call a foul. I think if the Knicks actually played better as a team he would have gotten the call, however the entire Knicks team was playing like trash and the refs didn't give them any favors. We were getting blown out, had we actually competed then the refs might have given him those calls but we didn't .

[Apples]

Phil is really effing this up man. He shoved Kurt Rambis down Hornacek's throat as an assistant coach instead of finding a legit defensive assistant coach and look at what happens...we end up with a team that has no idea what it's doing on D and the same old triangle problems. This is the third consecutive year where they have had problems with players "fitting" into the triangle, added to the fact that the triangle is too predictable to be effective. The players hate this system and it shows in the effort they put in last night. Is it really such a horrible thing to just copy the Spurs or Golden State's system and hire a fiery Thibodeau-like defensive assistant coach to get us to play strong D?

I haven't heard him mention anything about defense since he got here. All about the triangle.

[F N 11]

I love the fantastic logic this board applies that Phil talking to players at practice is the reason we lost this game... get real.

The reason we lost this game is because we gave up 118 points and give up wide open 3's as if it's a philosophy of ours to do so. Our offense isn't great but, that will fix itself. There's too much talent on that end to not be at least average. It's the defense we should all be concerned with especially KP"s. If he continues to struggle covering stretch bigs then it's going to be a long season.

Our defense sucks because of this guy



He's got us practicing defense against the triangle, even though nobody runs the triangle except us

The players don't even respect this dude and we saw it last year when he was interim head coach. He shouldn't be an assistant coach, I don't even think Hornacek wanted him but we all know Phil Jackson insists he stays.

Another problem. Why is the coach u went up against in interviews on the bench with you. Sad organization i swear.

[Jay10]

Really. You can't turn on KP after 4 games this season. He is the franchise's best shot of any legitimacy. He isn't playing well and he is obviously getting lost on defense, but it's still early in the season and early in his development.

I do think that Kurt Rambis is toxic and has any team had a successful or winning record with him on the coaching staff(either as HC or an assistant?) I think he needs to DL some asian porn and go away.

[rajajackal]

Watch on YouTube

jennings would be better at what rose should be doing for the starting 5
rose would be better at what jennings should be doing for the bench

[Floozenheimen]

The problem with KP right now, IMO, is that he is not dominant enough on offense, especially in the post, to dictate how opposing teams play us. By that, I mean that if he were to hypothetically take more shots in the post, using his height to his advantage, he would force opposing teams to go bigger to defend him, thus allowing him to avoid the mismatch of covering stretch 4s.

Conversely, KP plays like a role playing wing. A jump shooter for the most part, and not a great one so far, who can be covered by the likes of Anderson or Love with ease.

Basically KP commands zero respect from our opponents and as a result he's left covering stretch 4s on the perimeter. Until he mans up and gains enough strength to bang and dominate the low block, he will be relegated to this life on the court.


I don't know what he was doing this summer, but it was not maximizing his strengths, which is his height, especially knowing he'd be playing the 4. He should have put on 20lbs and learned some post moves or a Dirk-like fade away. Instead, he looks like he worked on his crossover which is useless at his current position/role on the team. There's a reason Dirk created his one legged fade away rainbow shot. It's unguardable, due to his height. KP is in a similar situation, where he can develop that shot, taking advantage of his height. Crossing people up is the last thing I want him to do.

[Wharton Alum 08]

Except Rose Noah Melo and the other vets are largely already playing at the highest or close to it level they are capable of at this point in their careers... they wont get much better.. this team is what theyre showing us they are. Ass

Noah doesn't have any lift. The thing that's throwing me off is Rose doing nothing but getting attempts at the rim and not shooting 1 FT. He gets 2 calls (and that's modest) yesterday and his line looks so much better 8-16 with 20 but he's getting so much contact and no call

He gets killed at the rim constantly but no call. Last night on one particular drive he got sandwiched by 3 Rockets defenders and they still didn't call a foul. I think if the Knicks actually played better as a team he would have gotten the call, however the entire Knicks team was playing like trash and the refs didn't give them any favors. We were getting blown out, had we actually competed then the refs might have given him those calls but we didn't .

I mean it's happening all game, he should be living there the way he's attacking people are talking about him blowing layups but it's probably because he should be at the line most times. Him and Porzingis need to develop some chemistry no idea why Noah always sets the screen no one will defend him to Roll or pop

[IllmaticHandler]

Dennis Smith vs Markelle Fultz

this is a good draft to have a lottery pick

we won't get either of them tho, this team will finish as a low playoff seed or just outside the playoffs with a 9th or 10th seed...then we'll be hoping that Gaines can find us a gem with a mid lotto pick

Im glad your sane Bro, I was a little nervous . I know you wanted to be the Tank commander, but .....

[HEZI]

Mike D'Antoni wanted to annihilate us last night

This guy was bitching hard about a continuation call up 23 pts in the 4th qtr. Rockets up by 30 and his starters are still out there in the 4th. Was it his first W against the Knicks at MSG since he resigned?

Either way, he wanted to run up the score so bad

Yup and that is why Jennings got into a verbal confrontation with him after the game ended. I also think Dantoni wants to get Harden an MVP trophy because it will make him look good as well so Dantoni is going to do his best to make sure he helps Harden get those stats up even if it means keeping him in the game during a blowout.

[sasso]

Phil is really effing this up man. He shoved Kurt Rambis down Hornacek's throat as an assistant coach instead of finding a legit defensive assistant coach and look at what happens...we end up with a team that has no idea what it's doing on D and the same old triangle problems. This is the third consecutive year where they have had problems with players "fitting" into the triangle, added to the fact that the triangle is too predictable to be effective. The players hate this system and it shows in the effort they put in last night. Is it really such a horrible thing to just copy the Spurs or Golden State's system and hire a fiery Thibodeau-like defensive assistant coach to get us to play strong D?

If you ever listen Popovich speak about his coaching style, he always mentions that he steals things from other coaches. He sees something he likes and he incorporates it in his system. It is constantly evolving as the NBA changes, opponents change, officiating changes, etc. This is the right mindset to have. Phil is reluctant to evolve or incorporate other ideas.

[Iron Mantis]

Lance should start in Porzingis' spot. That way we have a 5 off the bench who can be the focus of the offense and he can protect the paint and not have to be out on shooters. This might reduce O'Quinn's minutes but that is something we will need to do even though he is playing well this season

Rose/Jennings
Lee/Baker
Thomas/Holiday
Melo/O'Quinn
Noah/KP

Lance is Trash. Start Holiday at the 2, slide Lee over