2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3)

[jvsimonetti0514]

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The ringers draft site is up! No mock yet but there’s a big board with player comparisons. Lots of surprises in the top 10 but they’ve got Killian Hayes at number 1!

I like the format they have. Agree with Hayes being very high on the board (I like Ball #1, Hayes #2).

Tyrell Terry might be the biggest surprise. I like in the later rounds, but dont think I have seen him as high as #8. I like Terry as a shooter, but not sure I wouldnt rank him over some other pgs/combo guards Cole/Maxey/Kira/Tre Jones.

I’m pretty shocked about Devin Vassell being that high too. I really haven’t see any discussion about him from any other draft people before this big board. There also seems to be a huge love affair with Maxey too. Every time I watched UK he never played a great game and was always left with a better impression from Hagans

[god shammgod]

i agree that he wont be top 5 either most likely either. But who knows. If we are picking 6-8 and Hayes is there he needs to be our pick.

I'm ok with Haliburton as well but Hayes has the most upsaide.

I hope the knicks look past the Cole Anthony connections to realize he isn't as good as the other guys.

i like cole but as the year went on i cooled a little bit. as a scorer though he might be better than anyone besides edwards in the top 10. i do think he's being overlooked a little.

I just think the long term fit with RJ and Cole would be suspect. RJ's shot selection and decision making as a lead playmaker are questionable. The biggest knock on Cole is his shot selection and not being a pure playmaker either. Seems like Cole kinda duplicates RJ is that way.

He also reminds me too much of DSJ coming out of college. Now Cole seems like he for sure has his head on more straight and has a better work ethic/teammate. But there games are pretty similar outside of Cole having a smoother jump shot.

the jumper and attiude is a big deal though. he's hard to predict. it could really go either way for him.

i'm not into haliburton. he has role player written all over him. i would rather swing for the fences.

[HEZI]

Hayes would be a really nice pickup for us. I really like him. There are shades of Goran Dragic in his game and that's probably his floor. He has more potential than that.

I do like the Dragic comp. He also has about a couple inches and 20-25 lbs on dragic as well. Has a bit of Manu in terms of not being the best athlete but his ability to get into the paint consistently and his ability to finish.

He's a bit too lefty dominant but isn't everyone at the of 18.

He also projects probably the best next to RJ long term as well being the higher upside. Haliburton might fit the best but I do think he has a bit of a limited upside.

I think the thing that separates Hayes from the other PG prospects is his ability to shoot of the dribble and he already has an NBA step back jumper.

Yeah, what he lacks in pure speed and explosiveness he makes up in craftiness. He has the ability to get to his spots especially when playing in the pick and roll game, he's very good at using screens at such a young age. Has the range to shoot from deep and isn't shy to let it fly which I love.

[3toheadmelo]

Emoni Bates Gatorade Player of the year as a sophomore. Wow.

Succeeding James Wiseman in terms of getting that award.

Yeah Emoni looks like the real deal. Hopefully we can get Bates and Wiseman. That would be one helluva duo

In an effort to look "competitive" how much do you want to bet that we wont even be in position for Emoni? I suspect that we'll need a strong dose of raw luck...assuming the FO doesn't trade away that year's pick(s).

Wouldn’t be surprised if the Knicks miss out on Emoni by a couple of picks. Just like how we’re gonna miss out on Wiseman.

I bet we’re still going to be in the lottery by then. Unless we somehow get Giannis or a big time superstar.

[god shammgod]

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i don't know if i expected lamelo to be that much in the lead

[3toheadmelo]

I’ve yet to see Coleslaw carry his team against a top ranked team like this. He is a lot worse than DSJ as a prospect. Numbers and eye test prove that

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[mpharris36]

i like cole but as the year went on i cooled a little bit. as a scorer though he might be better than anyone besides edwards in the top 10. i do think he's being overlooked a little.

I just think the long term fit with RJ and Cole would be suspect. RJ's shot selection and decision making as a lead playmaker are questionable. The biggest knock on Cole is his shot selection and not being a pure playmaker either. Seems like Cole kinda duplicates RJ is that way.

He also reminds me too much of DSJ coming out of college. Now Cole seems like he for sure has his head on more straight and has a better work ethic/teammate. But there games are pretty similar outside of Cole having a smoother jump shot.

the jumper and attiude is a big deal though. he's hard to predict. it could really go either way for him.

i'm not into haliburton. he has role player written all over him. i would rather swing for the fences.

agreed which is why I haven't wrote him off the way I wrote DSJ off during draft time.

But the decision making and shooting efficiency from a guy that is going to have a lot of usage next to RJ who is going to have a lot of usage doesn't really bode well for good efficient shots if you know what I mean.

[god shammgod]

I’ve yet to see Coleslaw carry his team against a top ranked team like this. He is a lot worse than DSJ as a prospect. Numbers and eye test prove that

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you that last guy playing the violin on the titanic. jump off already.

[mpharris36]

Yeah Emoni looks like the real deal. Hopefully we can get Bates and Wiseman. That would be one helluva duo

In an effort to look "competitive" how much do you want to bet that we wont even be in position for Emoni? I suspect that we'll need a strong dose of raw luck...assuming the FO doesn't trade away that year's pick(s).

Wouldn’t be surprised if the Knicks miss out on Emoni by a couple of picks. Just like how we’re gonna miss out on Wiseman.

I bet we’re still going to be in the lottery by then. Unless we somehow get Giannis or a big time superstar.

if we are in emoni bates range two years from now it will be yet another regime making a pick.

[3toheadmelo]

I’ve yet to see Coleslaw carry his team against a top ranked team like this. He is a lot worse than DSJ as a prospect. Numbers and eye test prove that

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you that last guy playing the violin on the titanic. jump off already.

First Bamba, then Garland and now Coleslaw. You been missing hard when it comes to scouting

[god shammgod]

I just think the long term fit with RJ and Cole would be suspect. RJ's shot selection and decision making as a lead playmaker are questionable. The biggest knock on Cole is his shot selection and not being a pure playmaker either. Seems like Cole kinda duplicates RJ is that way.

He also reminds me too much of DSJ coming out of college. Now Cole seems like he for sure has his head on more straight and has a better work ethic/teammate. But there games are pretty similar outside of Cole having a smoother jump shot.

the jumper and attiude is a big deal though. he's hard to predict. it could really go either way for him.

i'm not into haliburton. he has role player written all over him. i would rather swing for the fences.

agreed which is why I haven't wrote him off the way I wrote DSJ off during draft time.

But the decision making and shooting efficiency from a guy that is going to have a lot of usage next to RJ who is going to have a lot of usage doesn't really bode well for good efficient shots if you know what I mean.

he was better in the 2nd half

after he returned from his injury, Anthony was a more efficient player, averaging 17.5 points, 4.5 assists and shooting 41.4 percent from the field and 36 percent from beyond the arc over his final 11 games.

https://nypost.com/2020/04/12/scouts-and-analysts-split-on-cole-anthonys-nba-prospects/

he's never gonna be the greatest playmaker for others. but lots of guys aren't nowadays at the pg spot.

[god shammgod]

I’ve yet to see Coleslaw carry his team against a top ranked team like this. He is a lot worse than DSJ as a prospect. Numbers and eye test prove that

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you that last guy playing the violin on the titanic. jump off already.

First Bamba, then Garland and now Coleslaw. You been missing hard when it comes to scouting

you miss hard when it comes to guys who been in the league for years already.

[mpharris36]

the jumper and attiude is a big deal though. he's hard to predict. it could really go either way for him.

i'm not into haliburton. he has role player written all over him. i would rather swing for the fences.

agreed which is why I haven't wrote him off the way I wrote DSJ off during draft time.

But the decision making and shooting efficiency from a guy that is going to have a lot of usage next to RJ who is going to have a lot of usage doesn't really bode well for good efficient shots if you know what I mean.

he was better in the 2nd half

after he returned from his injury, Anthony was a more efficient player, averaging 17.5 points, 4.5 assists and shooting 41.4 percent from the field and 36 percent from beyond the arc over his final 11 games.

https://nypost.com/2020/04/12/scouts-and-analysts-split-on-cole-anthonys-nba-prospects/

he's never gonna be the greatest playmaker for others. but lots of guys aren't nowadays at the pg spot.

if he's not going to be that type of playmaker then he going to have to shoot it like Dame to warrant the type of usage he will command.

You either need a good playmaker or a guy with a good TS% at the position to get the team efficient pts...thats a lot to ask to have a Dame Lillard type impact from that position because like Dame, Cole isn't a good playmaker but his shooting opens up so much from the team. Do you see that type of range in his game?

I see more of a poor mans Derrick Rose type game (with his shot selection and playmaking) from Cole Anthony.

[3toheadmelo]

you that last guy playing the violin on the titanic. jump off already.

First Bamba, then Garland and now Coleslaw. You been missing hard when it comes to scouting

you miss hard when it comes to guys who been in the league for years already.

I rather miss on one guy with Randle than miss on everything with the draft

[god shammgod]

First Bamba, then Garland and now Coleslaw. You been missing hard when it comes to scouting

you miss hard when it comes to guys who been in the league for years already.

I rather miss on one guy with Randle than miss on everything with the draft

hey look, i got him to admit randle sucks

[mpharris36]

you miss hard when it comes to guys who been in the league for years already.

I rather miss on one guy with Randle than miss on everything with the draft

hey look, i got him to admit randle sucks

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[Deeeez Knicks]

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The ringers draft site is up! No mock yet but there’s a big board with player comparisons. Lots of surprises in the top 10 but they’ve got Killian Hayes at number 1!

I like the format they have. Agree with Hayes being very high on the board (I like Ball #1, Hayes #2).

Tyrell Terry might be the biggest surprise. I like in the later rounds, but dont think I have seen him as high as #8. I like Terry as a shooter, but not sure I wouldnt rank him over some other pgs/combo guards Cole/Maxey/Kira/Tre Jones.

I’m pretty shocked about Devin Vassell being that high too. I really haven’t see any discussion about him from any other draft people before this big board. There also seems to be a huge love affair with Maxey too. Every time I watched UK he never played a great game and was always left with a better impression from Hagans

I like Maxey and think he is relatively safe and will be a solid player with maybe some upside. Not sure I would take him high enough where the Knicks are picking, but in the 10-14 range I think he's a good pick. He was a little inconsistent, but I think against top teams he had his best games, and may have avg around 20ppg against top ranked teams or something like that. But then against other teams his numbers werent that great. Plays solid defense too.

I like him best out of the Kentucky guys.

[god shammgod]

agreed which is why I haven't wrote him off the way I wrote DSJ off during draft time.

But the decision making and shooting efficiency from a guy that is going to have a lot of usage next to RJ who is going to have a lot of usage doesn't really bode well for good efficient shots if you know what I mean.

he was better in the 2nd half

after he returned from his injury, Anthony was a more efficient player, averaging 17.5 points, 4.5 assists and shooting 41.4 percent from the field and 36 percent from beyond the arc over his final 11 games.

https://nypost.com/2020/04/12/scouts-and-analysts-split-on-cole-anthonys-nba-prospects/

he's never gonna be the greatest playmaker for others. but lots of guys aren't nowadays at the pg spot.

if he's not going to be that type of playmaker then he going to have to shoot it like Dame to warrant the type of usage he will command.

You either need a good playmaker or a guy with a good TS% at the position to get the team efficient pts...thats a lot to ask to have a Dame Lillard type impact from that position because like Dame, Cole isn't a good playmaker but his shooting opens up so much from the team. Do you see that type of range in his game?

I see more of a poor mans Derrick Rose type game (with his shot selection and playmaking) from Cole Anthony.

dame played 4 years in college. it took awhile. also, i think your scale of...as good as a shooter as dame or an elite play maker would eliminate a lot of successful guards in the league.

[malik959]

i agree that he wont be top 5 either most likely either. But who knows. If we are picking 6-8 and Hayes is there he needs to be our pick.

I'm ok with Haliburton as well but Hayes has the most upsaide.

I hope the knicks look past the Cole Anthony connections to realize he isn't as good as the other guys.

i like cole but as the year went on i cooled a little bit. as a scorer though he might be better than anyone besides edwards in the top 10. i do think he's being overlooked a little.

I just think the long term fit with RJ and Cole would be suspect. RJ's shot selection and decision making as a lead playmaker are questionable. The biggest knock on Cole is his shot selection and not being a pure playmaker either. Seems like Cole kinda duplicates RJ is that way.

He also reminds me too much of DSJ coming out of college. Now Cole seems like he for sure has his head on more straight and has a better work ethic/teammate. But there games are pretty similar outside of Cole having a smoother jump shot.

You just named everything that truly makes him better. First, he has his head on straight, we questioned picking DSJ due to him not having his head on straight and how we felt he gave up on his team. We were a rebuilding team ourselves and didn't need a chemistry killer.

Second DSJ has poor work ethics. Sure it's nice to see a little tape of a summer workout here and there, but what makes players like Kobe, Lebron, Melo...... this is a part of there daily lives, They live in a gym. Families have to tell them to sit they're azz down! DSJ seems like the same person from day one, actually he's much worse. I don't know if its because maybe he doesn't want to be here?

Third, Cole is someone you can count on to hit an open shot, while DSJ everybody is looking for a rebound before the shot leaves his hand just by watching his form. Cole is someone you want to have the ball in his hands in crunch time, while DSJ your hollering "Pass The Ball!"

I believe Cole's main issue was he was trying to do to much on a team that does so little. Would we be having the same conversations if Cole was on last year's Duke team in place of Jones?

[3toheadmelo]

you miss hard when it comes to guys who been in the league for years already.

I rather miss on one guy with Randle than miss on everything with the draft

hey look, i got him to admit randle sucks