College/Draft thread. Knicks Currently have Picks 12 and 45

[dakomish23]

1) Mathurin
2) Mathurin
3) Mathurin
4) Mathurin
5) Mathurin

Really? Please break it down, I haven’t watched a lot of Mathurin so I would like to hear your take.

Not as high on him as dakomish, but with his play recently I get it. Been a good to great 3pt shooter all year, good in transition, plays really well off the ball, good defensive upside (apparently hasn't been consistent but when he's locked in he's good), and what got me on board is now he's showing the ability to attack off the dribble and in p&r. If he is 6'7 (heard a rumor he might be 6'4 actually), he's got a little bit of everything you want in a wing prospect.

I was very low on him until recently, and now I'd say he's my personal 3rd favorite prospect accounting for fit with the knicks.

First time I watched some highlights I was like ok “boring but effective. I like him”. But then I saw the solid vision and even creating lanes for his passes, getting upppp for alleys when he had to and the shooting when the guy goes under.

I know he’s not sexy and maybe doesn’t have the highest upside, but I think he translates easily. A very high floor at the minimum.

And may be the most important quality - he should be there when we pick. I’m down fantasizing about these bigger names who we won’t sniff

[BBALLER4FR]

Is there a very good and somewhat unheralded guard in this year's draft? A Mitchell/SGA/Haliburton opportunity?

You mean a 2021 Deuce McBride? Good question. Anybody? Anybody? Beuller?

[EMG518]

Is there a very good and somewhat unheralded guard in this year's draft? A Mitchell/SGA/Haliburton opportunity?

You mean a 2021 Deuce McBride? Good question. Anybody? Anybody? Beuller?

I personally think Bryce Mcgowens is your best bet for an unheralded guard. Gabriele Procida for a forward.

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[Meat]

If we’re outside the top-4. I want Tyty, easily…

He reminds me of D’Angelo Russell, and Jrue Holiday.

He’s not even the primary ball handler on UK. And when he was for a game he had 17 assists. Veeery goood defensive player, can shoot the heck out of the ball. And he can play off ball.

PERFECT for RJ

Isn’t quite explosive, or has that explosive step. But he can definitely play a slow pace game.

who did he put up those 17 dimes against? and what is that teams record

[SkyMason21]

If we’re outside the top-4. I want Tyty, easily…

He reminds me of D’Angelo Russell, and Jrue Holiday.

He’s not even the primary ball handler on UK. And when he was for a game he had 17 assists. Veeery goood defensive player, can shoot the heck out of the ball. And he can play off ball.

PERFECT for RJ

Isn’t quite explosive, or has that explosive step. But he can definitely play a slow pace game.

who did he put up those 17 dimes against? and what is that teams record

The 6-24 Georgia Bulldogs if you must know

[moocow007]

Is there a very good and somewhat unheralded guard in this year's draft? A Mitchell/SGA/Haliburton opportunity?

Dyson Daniels from the NBA Global Academy in Australia?

He's the backcourt mate to the more heralded G-League Ignite and potential lottery pick Jaden Hardy. Daniels is a 6'6" PG/SG that has shown the ability to shoot from deep, defends and rebounds quite well, excels at reading the floor and making highlight reel passes. Has an NBA body already despite being just 18, long arms, big hands. He shot up a couple inches in the last year I believe so could be still growing? So he's in that SGA/Haliburton/Ball/Giddey (i.e. tall point) mold physically at least. His dad Ricky Daniels used to play college ball at NC State and played professionally in Australia. He's been kinda in the international scene since he was 14 and has a good deal of success. So there's that degree of knowing that he's been around the in's and out's of the professional game for awhile now. Currently projected as a mid to late 1st pick I believe but is a guy that could turn out to be that surprise type player in a couple years. With the ignite team roster, Daniels really hasn't had to do as much so that may allow him to slip a little in the draft which could make him a real good value pick wherever he's selected.

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G League Ignite actually has 4 guys that are very interesting. Hardy, Daniels, Marjon Beauchamp (in the pic above cheering Daniels on) and Scoot Henderson.

[BBALLER4FR]

These don't seem like PG's nor do they seem like anyone Thibs would think about giving a chance.

[Spree2Houston]

Paolo Banchero has grown on me. His game meshes so well with RJ

[SkyMason21]

Mathurin consistently showing stuff off the dribble, exploiting mismatches off switches and some nice passes this game. And still had all the nice buckets off cuts. If we don't end up high enough for Jabari or Ivey, really happy with the idea of getting Mathurin or Daniels atm.

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[Fat]

I know the Knicks need a PG but I’m Easily going Benedict mathurin if he’s still on board

Point guard looks weak in this draft ty ty Washington might be best available ThAts in reach

[Zenzibar]

I know the Knicks need a PG but I’m Easily going Benedict mathurin if he’s still on board

Point guard looks weak in this draft ty ty Washington might be best available ThAts in reach

The problem is that we don't really need more mid-tier young players on the team. Unless we can bag a top 4-5 we should just push this pick forward another year and develop what we have in Grimes, Cam, Sims and McBride.

My gut tells me, this is IQ's last year here but the key will be Thibs and his status.

[dukeknicksirish]

Paolo Banchero has grown on me. His game meshes so well with RJ

If we select him, I’m curious what PG we could get for a package staring Randle ?

Core then of RJ / Cam / Grimes / Paolo needs a PG and a C

Bamba can stretch the floor enough to fit with Paolo and will be cheaper.

Randle should be able to net us a few picks or maybe combo of him and picks gets us a franchise PG (I just don’t know who)

[TerrenceClarke]

I know the Knicks need a PG but I’m Easily going Benedict mathurin if he’s still on board

Point guard looks weak in this draft ty ty Washington might be best available ThAts in reach

I was talking about Benedict before anyone this year but nah.

You have to draft for need. Mathurin is not that Dope to choose him over TyTY. We already loaded at wings with Cam and Grimes and RJ.

We need a young legit PG prospect. We don’t have that. We can’t keep passing on PGs it’s continuously bit us in the ass. Most people would have been on board with picking Toppin over Maxey and look where we at. We passed on haliburton for the perceived better player and look where we at.

You want to repeat that for Mathruin? Eh…. He nice but he ain’t that nice to repeat the same things that has constantly killed us for years.

A wing won’t solve any issues for us over a legit PG prospect.

Let’s not act like it’s IVey vs TyTY here or Chet Holmgren or my dude from Auburn.


I kept saying this all last year you always take a highly touted Kentucky Guard if you can. They more often than not turn out to be studs in the NBA.

Kentucky guards are buckets in the NBA 95% of the time. add to the fact he can play make and plays at a pro pace?

Draft that dude with quickness.

If the high level studs are off the table.

[Spree2Houston]

Paolo Banchero has grown on me. His game meshes so well with RJ

If we select him, I’m curious what PG we could get for a package staring Randle ?

Core then of RJ / Cam / Grimes / Paolo needs a PG and a C

Bamba can stretch the floor enough to fit with Paolo and will be cheaper.

Randle should be able to net us a few picks or maybe combo of him and picks gets us a franchise PG (I just don’t know who)

I put this idea out there but maybe Anfernee Simons for Julius Randle in a sign and trade ? Simons is the perfect fit next to Rj and Lillard gets a new running mate. Im not sure if Portland or Simons would be interested in NY but it wouldn’t be a bad fit. A core of :

Simons
Grimes
Barrett
Reddish
Banchero

Would be pretty solid

[WargamesX]

Paolo Banchero has grown on me. His game meshes so well with RJ

If we select him, I’m curious what PG we could get for a package staring Randle ?

Core then of RJ / Cam / Grimes / Paolo needs a PG and a C

Bamba can stretch the floor enough to fit with Paolo and will be cheaper.

Randle should be able to net us a few picks or maybe combo of him and picks gets us a franchise PG (I just don’t know who)

I put this idea out there but maybe Anfernee Simons for Julius Randle in a sign and trade ? Simons is the perfect fit next to Rj and Lillard gets a new running mate. Im not sure if Portland or Simons would be interested in NY but it wouldn’t be a bad fit. A core of :

Simons
Grimes
Barrett
Reddish
Banchero

Would be pretty solid

They traded CJ for roleplayers just to build around Simons and Dame. Randle can’t even stay composed enough to not get kicked out a game the Knicks desperately needed to win.

[Fat]

I know the Knicks need a PG but I’m Easily going Benedict mathurin if he’s still on board

Point guard looks weak in this draft ty ty Washington might be best available ThAts in reach

I was talking about Benedict before anyone this year but nah.

You have to draft for need. Mathurin is not that Dope to choose him over TyTY. We already loaded at wings with Cam and Grimes and RJ.

We need a young legit PG prospect. We don’t have that. We can’t keep passing on PGs it’s continuously bit us in the ass. Most people would have been on board with picking Toppin over Maxey and look where we at. We passed on haliburton for the perceived better player and look where we at.

You want to repeat that for Mathruin? Eh…. He nice but he ain’t that nice to repeat the same things that has constantly killed us for years.

A wing won’t solve any issues for us over a legit PG prospect.

Let’s not act like it’s IVey vs TyTY here or Chet Holmgren or my dude from Auburn.


I kept saying this all last year you always take a highly touted Kentucky Guard if you can. They more often than not turn out to be studs in the NBA.

Kentucky guards are buckets in the NBA 95% of the time. add to the fact he can play make and plays at a pro pace?

Draft that dude with quickness.

If the high level studs are off the table.

Mathurin isn’t that dope to take him over Ty ty Washington? I feel like I could make the same statement for taking Washington over mathurin. The Knicks issues don’t stop at point guard the root is deeper. So I’m perfectly fine with grabbing another wing. one at that whom can defend, shoot, athletic, with clear flashes of putting the ball on the floor and bounce at the rim.

Nothing wrong with following the raptors model of wings with size that can play both ends of the floor


Don’t get me wrong though I am a ty ty Washington supporter as well I’ve posted him in past post game threads after Knicks losses. I just favor mathurin over him right now.

3 guys I’d like the Knicks to look at would be Washington, Mathurin and AJ griffin. I actually favor AJ over both guys because I think there’s so much untapped potential in AJ. But I don’t feel he will still be on board

[TerrenceClarke]

I know the Knicks need a PG but I’m Easily going Benedict mathurin if he’s still on board

Point guard looks weak in this draft ty ty Washington might be best available ThAts in reach

I was talking about Benedict before anyone this year but nah.

You have to draft for need. Mathurin is not that Dope to choose him over TyTY. We already loaded at wings with Cam and Grimes and RJ.

We need a young legit PG prospect. We don’t have that. We can’t keep passing on PGs it’s continuously bit us in the ass. Most people would have been on board with picking Toppin over Maxey and look where we at. We passed on haliburton for the perceived better player and look where we at.

You want to repeat that for Mathruin? Eh…. He nice but he ain’t that nice to repeat the same things that has constantly killed us for years.

A wing won’t solve any issues for us over a legit PG prospect.

Let’s not act like it’s IVey vs TyTY here or Chet Holmgren or my dude from Auburn.


I kept saying this all last year you always take a highly touted Kentucky Guard if you can. They more often than not turn out to be studs in the NBA.

Kentucky guards are buckets in the NBA 95% of the time. add to the fact he can play make and plays at a pro pace?

Draft that dude with quickness.

If the high level studs are off the table.

Mathurin isn’t that dope to take him over Ty ty Washington? I feel like I could make the same statement for taking Washington over mathurin. The Knicks issues don’t stop at point guard the root is deeper. So I’m perfectly fine with grabbing another wing. one at that whom can defend, shoot, athletic, with clear flashes of putting the ball on the floor and bounce at the rim.

Nothing wrong with following the raptors model of wings with size that can play both ends of the floor


Don’t get me wrong though I am a ty ty Washington supporter as well I’ve posted him in past post game threads after Knicks losses. I just favor mathurin over him right now.

3 guys I’d like the Knicks to look at would be Washington, Mathurin and AJ griffin. I actually favor AJ over both guys because I think there’s so much untapped potential in AJ. But I don’t feel he will still be on board

Sun we could have KD and the Knicks issues wouldn't stop

I know you agree regardless of what you Like about Mathurin that a PG brings us CLOSER to fixing our issues than him.

Griffin is okay but I dont like him that much,

If Im going the wing route over TyTY

Shaedon Sharpe all day over Mathurin.

I would rather gamble on that upside. His ceiling is much higher than both imo.


Plus he a UK Guard and it fit my narrative that you Always pick a elite UK guard prospect lol

[Fat]

I know the Knicks need a PG but I’m Easily going Benedict mathurin if he’s still on board

Point guard looks weak in this draft ty ty Washington might be best available ThAts in reach

The problem is that we don't really need more mid-tier young players on the team. Unless we can bag a top 4-5 we should just push this pick forward another year and develop what we have in Grimes, Cam, Sims and McBride.

My gut tells me, this is IQ's last year here but the key will be Thibs and his status.

If we’re in the lottery there’s a good chance the player we get is more than mid-tier talent the Knicks problem is they never draft the correct player

Whether it’s passing on guards SGA, Donovan Mitchell, hailburton etc etc or passing up wings (Mikal bridges, miles bridges, Michael porter jr etc etc. the Knicks just never get it right

[Fat]

I was talking about Benedict before anyone this year but nah.

You have to draft for need. Mathurin is not that Dope to choose him over TyTY. We already loaded at wings with Cam and Grimes and RJ.

We need a young legit PG prospect. We don’t have that. We can’t keep passing on PGs it’s continuously bit us in the ass. Most people would have been on board with picking Toppin over Maxey and look where we at. We passed on haliburton for the perceived better player and look where we at.

You want to repeat that for Mathruin? Eh…. He nice but he ain’t that nice to repeat the same things that has constantly killed us for years.

A wing won’t solve any issues for us over a legit PG prospect.

Let’s not act like it’s IVey vs TyTY here or Chet Holmgren or my dude from Auburn.


I kept saying this all last year you always take a highly touted Kentucky Guard if you can. They more often than not turn out to be studs in the NBA.

Kentucky guards are buckets in the NBA 95% of the time. add to the fact he can play make and plays at a pro pace?

Draft that dude with quickness.

If the high level studs are off the table.

Mathurin isn’t that dope to take him over Ty ty Washington? I feel like I could make the same statement for taking Washington over mathurin. The Knicks issues don’t stop at point guard the root is deeper. So I’m perfectly fine with grabbing another wing. one at that whom can defend, shoot, athletic, with clear flashes of putting the ball on the floor and bounce at the rim.

Nothing wrong with following the raptors model of wings with size that can play both ends of the floor


Don’t get me wrong though I am a ty ty Washington supporter as well I’ve posted him in past post game threads after Knicks losses. I just favor mathurin over him right now.

3 guys I’d like the Knicks to look at would be Washington, Mathurin and AJ griffin. I actually favor AJ over both guys because I think there’s so much untapped potential in AJ. But I don’t feel he will still be on board

Sun we could have KD and the Knicks issues wouldn't stop

I know you agree regardless of what you Like about Mathurin that a PG brings us CLOSER to fixing our issues than him.

Griffin is okay but I dont like him that much,

If Im going the wing route over TyTY

Shaedon Sharpe all day over Mathurin.

I would rather gamble on that upside. His ceiling is much higher than both imo.


Plus he a UK Guard and it fit my narrative that you Always pick a elite UK guard prospect lol

Closer to what though this team has significantly regressed it’ll bring us closer to running a competent offense that doesn’t make our eyes bleed but I don’t feel any point guard in this draft is truly turning anything around unless his name is Jaden Ivey imo. I’d hope Washington can be that guy but I wouldn’t hold him to those kind of expectations I feel he can be a very good point guard and does do a lot of things well on the floor but he doesn’t really have any elite traits that stick out where I feel like he’s going to be “that guy” type of player but none the less he’s probably any upgrade over the trash we have been running the past couple years

Shadeon sharpe would be a no brainer gamble if he decides to enter the draft but he probably goes no later than 6 if he does enter and that’s probably out of our range. Knicks gonna do Knick like things and win some games down the stretch so I ain’t even looking that far. Whats the chances of thibs waiving the white flag and truly tanking? we’re going to win meaningless games down the stretch especially when we go up against those teams that are already eliminated and won’t be going hard.

I just hope the trend of selecting the wrong player finally ends. Tired of constantly missing in the lottery got more faith in this organization selecting a pick in the 20s than in the lottery

[TerrenceClarke]

Mathurin isn’t that dope to take him over Ty ty Washington? I feel like I could make the same statement for taking Washington over mathurin. The Knicks issues don’t stop at point guard the root is deeper. So I’m perfectly fine with grabbing another wing. one at that whom can defend, shoot, athletic, with clear flashes of putting the ball on the floor and bounce at the rim.

Nothing wrong with following the raptors model of wings with size that can play both ends of the floor


Don’t get me wrong though I am a ty ty Washington supporter as well I’ve posted him in past post game threads after Knicks losses. I just favor mathurin over him right now.

3 guys I’d like the Knicks to look at would be Washington, Mathurin and AJ griffin. I actually favor AJ over both guys because I think there’s so much untapped potential in AJ. But I don’t feel he will still be on board

Sun we could have KD and the Knicks issues wouldn't stop

I know you agree regardless of what you Like about Mathurin that a PG brings us CLOSER to fixing our issues than him.

Griffin is okay but I dont like him that much,

If Im going the wing route over TyTY

Shaedon Sharpe all day over Mathurin.

I would rather gamble on that upside. His ceiling is much higher than both imo.


Plus he a UK Guard and it fit my narrative that you Always pick a elite UK guard prospect lol

Closer to what though this team has significantly regressed it’ll bring us closer to running a competent offense that doesn’t make our eyes bleed but I don’t feel any point guard in this draft is truly turning anything around unless his name is Jaden Ivey imo. I’d hope Washington can be that guy but I wouldn’t hold him to those kind of expectations I feel he can be a very good point guard and does do a lot of things well on the floor but he doesn’t really have any elite traits that stick out where I feel like he’s going to be “that guy” type of player but none the less he’s probably any upgrade over the trash we have been running the past couple years

Shadeon sharpe would be a no brainer gamble if he decides to enter the draft but he probably goes no later than 6 if he does enter and that’s probably out of our range. Knicks gonna do Knick like things and win some games down the stretch so I ain’t even looking that far. Whats the chances of thibs waiving the white flag and truly tanking? we’re going to win meaningless games down the stretch especially when we go up against those teams that are already eliminated and won’t be going hard.

I just hope the trend of selecting the wrong player finally ends. Tired of constantly missing in the lottery got more faith in this organization selecting a pick in the 20s than in the lottery

I’m not holding Ty Ty to anything. He isn’t a savior I’m simply saying the Knicks need a pg. I’m tired of Burks and the what we have now. Lol

I can live with out a wing if need be but I’m tired of living without a pg.