Trades and Transactions Thread Cont'd - Where the Center At?

[3toheadmelo]

perry played a role in building the 04 pistons before he came here didn’t he? amazing that he helped rebuild it here.. i’m convinced mills dragged him down lol

Yea I think its become pretty clear that Mills fked up everything. Not a coincidence things got better once he left while Perry was still the GM

It seemed like he played significant part in the Knicks coaching search and landing Thibs.

Perry became convinced over Zoom interviews that Thibodeau was the right man for the job, supporting president Leon Rose’s initial instinct that had the former Knicks assistant coach and former client the favorite across the seven-week hiring process.

Perry is still here — his contract extended in May for one more season. Perry’s presence was abundantly felt as he became part of Thibodeau’s introductory Zoom press conference Thursday. He’s now in Disney World, scouting the restart as each team is allowed one executive to live scout.

New hires, senior vice president William Wesley and vice president of strategy Brock Aller, also conducted the coaching search and have significant influence on Rose. Wesley and Aller weren’t on the Zoom press conference, but likely would have been included on a dais had it been a standard Garden press conference.

“I truly share in the enthusiasm today with the hiring,’’ Perry said during the press conference. “I’ve been in the league over 20 years. Even though I didn’t have a personal relationship with Tom, I felt like I knew him a little because we know a lot of the same people, have a lot of respect for the same people. It’s a very small industry.

“I knew this guy could coach basketball. During this process, it allowed me personally to get to know the man better and really see how our personalities could come together and mesh. I felt really good about our time talking basketball. He’s got a lot of the same values about the game that I was raised in that came through clear to me throughout the process.’’

Asked about the limitations of Zoom interviews — the first coaching search conducted by this method in NBA history — Perry said, “This was an extremely thorough process, very informative one for us. While not being in person can present a few little challenges, overall it was really good. The coaches got a chance to dive in and show what they were all about and discuss their philosophies and allowed them to be engaged. I’m so happy at the end of this process we ended up with this quality head coach.’’

[sol537]

Prediction: Randle will do an opt-in and extend... $30m opt-in, then extend for 3 years on top of that at $40m per with the final year being a player option. So $154m over 4 years... Win-win deal.

[dukeknicksirish]

Prediction: Randle will do an opt-in and extend... $30m opt-in, then extend for 3 years on top of that at $40m per with the final year being a player option. So $154m over 4 years... Win-win deal.

That would be a huge win for the organization

[spree2kawhi]

Prediction: Randle will do an opt-in and extend... $30m opt-in, then extend for 3 years on top of that at $40m per with the final year being a player option. So $154m over 4 years... Win-win deal.

How does Randle win anything that way? 154/4 or 310/5… hmmm.

[Ma10]

Don't really know which way the Jazz like to go. I mean Markkanen is clearly a talented player but not for that price tag!

[stuporman]

I guess this means the Jazz aren't gigatanking for Flagg and any hope to get Kessler for cheap is off the table, he'll probably want even more than the already steep price he'd normally ask.

[mpharris36]

I guess this means the Jazz aren't gigatanking for Flagg and any hope to get Kessler for cheap is off the table, he'll probably want even more than the already steep price he'd normally ask.

which would be crazy because OKC gets there draft pick if they aren't a top 10 bad team.

[stuporman]

I guess this means the Jazz aren't gigatanking for Flagg and any hope to get Kessler for cheap is off the table, he'll probably want even more than the already steep price he'd normally ask.

which would be crazy because OKC gets there draft pick if they aren't a top 10 bad team.

He didn't help them get out of a top 10 pick last year so mAinge probably thinks he won't again but he certainly spoils their chance at number 1 unless they have the ping pong balls bounce them into it from 8 or so.

[8516knicks]

Prediction: Randle will do an opt-in and extend... $30m opt-in, then extend for 3 years on top of that at $40m per with the final year being a player option. So $154m over 4 years... Win-win deal.

How does Randle win anything that way? 154/4 or 310/5… hmmm.

Non-Euclidean math.

[god shammgod]

I guess this means the Jazz aren't gigatanking for Flagg and any hope to get Kessler for cheap is off the table, he'll probably want even more than the already steep price he'd normally ask.

which would be crazy because OKC gets there draft pick if they aren't a top 10 bad team.

they likely will be. they'll probably be the 2nd worst team in the west after portland. and only 4 teams in the east had a worse record that them last year. will 7/8 teams in the east have a worse record than them next year ? doubtful.

danny is overrated though. he's too obsessed with winning trades and it stops him from seeing the bigger picture. so what if you get 1 less pick and swap for laui than you would like, you're going nowhere unless you get into the top of the draft. you're just wasting time. you've been there since 2021 and you've made no progress as an organization.

[BKlutch]

Embiid has sore ankles. Man is in physical jeopardy all the time.

[mpharris36]

I guess this means the Jazz aren't gigatanking for Flagg and any hope to get Kessler for cheap is off the table, he'll probably want even more than the already steep price he'd normally ask.

which would be crazy because OKC gets there draft pick if they aren't a top 10 bad team.

they likely will be. they'll probably be the 2nd worst team in the west after portland. and only 4 teams in the east had a worse record that them last year. will 7/8 teams in the east have a worse record than them next year ? doubtful.

danny is overrated though. he's too obsessed with winning trades and it stops him from seeing the bigger picture. so what if you get 1 less pick and swap for laui than you would like, you're going nowhere unless you get into the top of the draft. you're just wasting time. you've been there since 2021 and you've made no progress as an organization.

I think Brooklyn, Washington, Detroit, Charlotte, and Chicago are clearly worse in the east and POR is worse in the west. So 6 teams worse so yeah they are still a top 10 worse team but do you really want to be in the 8 to 9 range where if you drop a spot or two in the lottery you miss your pick. Especially if a fringe team gets a bad injury. Like what if Steph goes down for GS for any length of time GS will suck (thats just an example).

You also aren't likely tanking well enough to get Cooper Flagg either.

As you pointed out they just are in a odd spot...Danny Ainge is trying to win trades therefor really hurting there future. Are they going to be competing for a championship in 2-3 years? If not why are they resigning Lauri? Were the offers really that bad for him or was he looking for a kings ransom.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

We have the rights to Lessort? Bring him over.

[god shammgod]

which would be crazy because OKC gets there draft pick if they aren't a top 10 bad team.

they likely will be. they'll probably be the 2nd worst team in the west after portland. and only 4 teams in the east had a worse record that them last year. will 7/8 teams in the east have a worse record than them next year ? doubtful.

danny is overrated though. he's too obsessed with winning trades and it stops him from seeing the bigger picture. so what if you get 1 less pick and swap for laui than you would like, you're going nowhere unless you get into the top of the draft. you're just wasting time. you've been there since 2021 and you've made no progress as an organization.

I think Brooklyn, Washington, Detroit, Charlotte, and Chicago are clearly worse in the east and POR is worse in the west. So 6 teams worse so yeah they are still a top 10 worse team but do you really want to be in the 8 to 9 range where if you drop a spot or two in the lottery you miss your pick. Especially if a fringe team gets a bad injury. Like what if Steph goes down for GS for any length of time GS will suck (thats just an example).

You also aren't likely tanking well enough to get Cooper Flagg either.

As you pointed out they just are in a odd spot...Danny Ainge is trying to win trades therefor really hurting there future. Are they going to be competing for a championship in 2-3 years? If not why are they resigning Lauri? Were the offers really that bad for him or was he looking for a kings ransom.

ownership should be saying "hey, what the f*ck are we doing" at this point. lauri being this good was a gift. he was salary filler. you got all of cleveland's stuff. you got all of the wolves stuff. you can make a fair deal for lauri.

[mpharris36]

they likely will be. they'll probably be the 2nd worst team in the west after portland. and only 4 teams in the east had a worse record that them last year. will 7/8 teams in the east have a worse record than them next year ? doubtful.

danny is overrated though. he's too obsessed with winning trades and it stops him from seeing the bigger picture. so what if you get 1 less pick and swap for laui than you would like, you're going nowhere unless you get into the top of the draft. you're just wasting time. you've been there since 2021 and you've made no progress as an organization.

I think Brooklyn, Washington, Detroit, Charlotte, and Chicago are clearly worse in the east and POR is worse in the west. So 6 teams worse so yeah they are still a top 10 worse team but do you really want to be in the 8 to 9 range where if you drop a spot or two in the lottery you miss your pick. Especially if a fringe team gets a bad injury. Like what if Steph goes down for GS for any length of time GS will suck (thats just an example).

You also aren't likely tanking well enough to get Cooper Flagg either.

As you pointed out they just are in a odd spot...Danny Ainge is trying to win trades therefor really hurting there future. Are they going to be competing for a championship in 2-3 years? If not why are they resigning Lauri? Were the offers really that bad for him or was he looking for a kings ransom.

ownership should be saying "hey, what the f*ck are we doing" at this point. lauri being this good was a gift. he was salary filler. you got all of cleveland's stuff. you got all of the wolves stuff. you can make a fair deal for lauri.

yup Lauri is a really good complimentary piece to a winning team but he's not going to lead a team. If they are able to get some GS picks especially with Steph and Draymonds age that is a win. They really holding up a deal because they want Podz? Lauri was an expiring too and when they traded for him as you pointed out he was more filler than asset.

Danny is willing to risk there long term future because he needs to maintain his trade reputation...that is poor GMing. Because if they miss out on a generational type prospect because of it and to be a middling team in the west that is a poor decision.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

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[3toheadmelo]

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bye mitch

[Capn'O]

I guess this means the Jazz aren't gigatanking for Flagg and any hope to get Kessler for cheap is off the table, he'll probably want even more than the already steep price he'd normally ask.

which would be crazy because OKC gets there draft pick if they aren't a top 10 bad team.

they likely will be. they'll probably be the 2nd worst team in the west after portland. and only 4 teams in the east had a worse record that them last year. will 7/8 teams in the east have a worse record than them next year ? doubtful.

danny is overrated though. he's too obsessed with winning trades and it stops him from seeing the bigger picture. so what if you get 1 less pick and swap for laui than you would like, you're going nowhere unless you get into the top of the draft. you're just wasting time. you've been there since 2021 and you've made no progress as an organization.

Yup. There's a reason Boston didn't win it again until Stevens moved upstairs. There are fewer straight up bad management teams out there to rip off than there were when he put together the Boston Big 3. Stevens is willing to give to get.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

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bye mitch

sham gonna ask his Haitian friends some curses in French to insult him.

[R-DAWG]

Prediction: Randle will do an opt-in and extend... $30m opt-in, then extend for 3 years on top of that at $40m per with the final year being a player option. So $154m over 4 years... Win-win deal.

That would be a huge win for the organization

I think ideal for the organization would be Randle opting into his +/- $30MM deal next year and extending for 2 years after that at the 40% raise - which would essentially be a 3 year, +/- $118MM salary.

Reason this structure would work is NY will have room to operate below the 2nd apron next summer/season followed by a likely 2 year run in the 2nd apron in the 26-27 and 27-28 seasons. So having the additional flexibility next summer is valuable.

The most likely scenario is a re-tooling of the roster in the 28-29 and 29-30 seasons when the Hart/DDV contracts are off the books, and OG is still has value as a 30 year old with 2 years left on his deal.