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Post#721 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Feb 25, 2011 3:04 am

richardhutnik wrote:
HawthorneWingo wrote:My family is Muslim, so I don't see it that way, but ignorant people here in American equate being Muslim with being a terrorist.

I don't know what else to tell you.

Beside, why are you asking me that question? Shouldn't you be asking mugzi that question?


I was replying to the entire post, since it came up. I was charged with "race baiting" there. I was just discussing what was irregardless of who it was from. And my question was a bit rhetorical.

- Rich



I kind of lost you there, since I was trying to come to your defense.

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Post#722 » by richardhutnik » Fri Feb 25, 2011 3:14 am

HawthorneWingo wrote:
richardhutnik wrote:
HawthorneWingo wrote:My family is Muslim, so I don't see it that way, but ignorant people here in American equate being Muslim with being a terrorist.

I don't know what else to tell you.

Beside, why are you asking me that question? Shouldn't you be asking mugzi that question?


I was replying to the entire post, since it came up. I was charged with "race baiting" there. I was just discussing what was irregardless of who it was from. And my question was a bit rhetorical.

- Rich



I kind of lost you there, since I was trying to come to your defense.

Got it.


No problem. The best thing, regard mugzi, is if there is anything regarding me, don't do a quote reply. Life is much better when mugzi doesn't exist. With me now, as much as I need work, and even if mugzi would be hiring, I would NEVER consider working for him. I can't work for someone who is as spun partisan as him. I also wouldn't work for an individual who advocates breaking the law to make money, and doesn't care they are doing that either.

Ok everyone, please don't bring up mugzi in quotes in threads that mention me. Well, I mean edit those parts out if you can. Mugzi is very much like my father in his argumentative ways. It is best, in that case to not try to fire back and argue. All you do is harden an opinion in the person's mind that they are under attack, and they stay in it. I had seen this mentality after the Arizona shooting. It looked like all humanity got thrown out in the name of partisanship. That appeared to be real mental health dysfunction to me. Probably under obsessive-compulsive disorder.

- Rich
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Post#723 » by yaboynyp » Fri Feb 25, 2011 3:27 am

mugzi wrote:Here's a little insight into the Comrade in Chiefs foreign policy...

Obama Retreats, Ahmadinejad Advances
American Thinker ^ | February 22, 2011 | James Lewis


When Saddam Hussein's tank battalions brutally invaded Kuwait in 1992, the United States was able to knock Saddam's Air Force out of the sky in a matter of days. In the subsequent tank battles the United States ruled the air. After kicking Saddam out of Kuwait we maintained a no-fly zone over half of Iraq for the next six years, thereby stabilizing the Gulf on both sides. Where the USAF and USN ruled the skies Saddam could not launch a single plane or missile. The world's oil supply was protected, allowing European leftists to drive their cars at reasonable gas prices to noisy demonstrations to scream and rage at us, all because Uncle Sam was the good cop and kept them free.
Being the good cop has been our role for sixty years, ever since World War II; it's the single biggest reason we haven't had a World War III. Yet.


But Obama is now stopping the United States from being the good cop to keep the peace in the Middle East. Pax Americana is in retreat, step by step, and truly barbaric regimes are rearing their ugly heads all the way from Myanmar to the tip of South America. This administration is either grossly incompetent in foreign affairs, or it is genuinely self-destructive; it doesn't matter which. In the case of the mob-staged coup d'etat against Mubarak, Obama seemed more malevolent than ignorant, but the result is still the same. Egypt's reactionary Muslim Brotherhood is even now picking up all the chips Obama has lost in the latest farce. In Tahrir Square the new Ayatollah Khomeini of Egypt just came back from exile and addressed a million shouting supporters. Google's little twitter mobber Ghonim was kept off the stage. Only the US press was assaulted. The next time will be worse.

We are witnessing an exact copy of Jimmy Carter's abandonment of a pro-Western and fairly enlightened Iran in 1979. Carter allowed the first radical Islamist power to consolidate in the Middle East; more than a million people died in the war that followed. Jimmy still maintains his innocence, just as he's telling us now there's nothing to fear from the Muslim Bros, in spite of their famous five Rules for Islamic Radicals. They make Alinsky look like a guppy next to a Great White shark.

Obama has now pushing our thirty-year ally Hosni Mubarak out of power, letting the biggest country in the Middle East be radicalized. Meanwhile Turkey has fallen to another offshoot the Muslim Brotherhood. Gaza is under the thumb of Hamas after Israel gave in to US pressure to retreat, Lebanon is now run by Hezbollah, and Syria is allied with Ahmadinejad. No wonder all the bad guys are celebrating.

Every time Obama retreats, Ahmadinejad advances, step by step, like a chess master playing against a panicked rookie. You can see checkmate coming way ahead of time.

The United States still has overwhelming military and political power, but under Obama we have retreated from the Gulf, leaving the Saudis in a panic, ready to import nukes from Pakistan; we have retreated from our promise to defend Europe against Iranian and Russian missiles, and now we have allowed the biggest Arab power, Egypt, to be overthrown by what looks to be another Islamist radical fanatic, who will place Egypt on a war footing with Israel and the West.

In the last two years of Obama we given up five strategic bottlenecks, count ‘em:

1. The Strait of Hormuz, through which 40 percent of the world's oil flows. The Iranians have dug in very deep with ship-targeting missiles on their side of the Strait, and it will be like Iwo Jima to get them out of there. They can close the Strait any time they feel like it.

2. The Suez Canal, thereby putting pressure on the Mediterranean.

3. Somalia and the Atlantic bulge of Africa, where Somali pirates (protected by the Islamist forces in Somalia) are still free to blackmail world shipping.

4. Israel and its more peaceful Arab neighbors --- Lebanon, Egypt, and soon, perhaps, Jordan.

5. The missile flight routes from Iran to Europe.

At the same time the Obama administration has blocked and sabotaged domestic oil production.

This is a chess game in which we are simultaneously being threatened in five different places on the board, and we keep sacrificing our own pieces for no net gain.

After dithering for a week, the Egyptians are now allowing two Iranian warships to transit the Suez Canal into the Mediterranean. There they can link up with Turkey and Syria, two big military powers controlled by radical Muslim ideologies. Or they can fire ship-borne missiles at Israeli vessels the next time Turkey stages another Mavi Marmara provocation. Or, for that matter, they can threaten US naval fleets that have protected free trade in the Med since the end of World War Two. All it takes is a single suicide attack against a US carrier, and the Iranians have carried out numerous suicide attacks in their war against Saddam. Or just a single dirty bomb on a freighter, to create worldwide panic and plunge the world into an economic freeze.

If Obama has any rational strategy, I assume it is to pressure Israel into a "peace agreement' with major territorial concessions. If Obama can time that just before the next election he may get enough media glorification to win a second term.

The trouble is that America has now abandoned three major Middle East powers to the radicals: Iran, Turkey, and Egypt. How much can you trust a superpower that will walk away from a 30 year ally like Mubarak? Only until Obama figures out another way to screw an ally -- maybe Taiwan as a favor to China. Why would the Israelis and Jordanians trust Obama's peace agreement if the US voluntarily weakens its control? Why would Europe trust in American defenses of their oil supply, even though they keep disarming themselves?

The Israelis are left with two unpalatable choices. One is to strike Iran, as the center of aggression in the Middle East today. The trouble with that is that without full American cooperation, Turkey and Egypt may sabotage an Israel strike, with their powerful armed forces that may soon be in the hands of radicals. Israel can also explode a nuclear bomb as a warning, which it is bound to do if Iran explodes a bomb (now predicted for 2012-2015). But those are last-resort measures.

The second option is to hold tight and wait, hoping that Obama will lose the next election and that a better US government will follow. There is little doubt that cyberwarfare is constantly going on in secret, with Stuxnet 2.0 and 3.0 being launched. There are no doubt Iranian counter-attacks, maybe with the help of China and North Korea. We may never know that.

Wars are dynamic, and what's going on right now is the first cyberwar in history, with a hot war to follow if Iran threatens to go nuclear. So far we have seen no indication that Obama is an effective defender of American and Western values. In public he has seemed comfortable with the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and Turkey, and with Ahmadinejad in Iran. This administration makes a specialty of proclaiming American weakness and moral inferiority.

That seems objectively insane, but that's what we see. Obama has indicated no real concern about our long-time allies. You can be very sure that the Chinese, North Koreans, Japanese, Russians, Iranians, and now the Sunni radicals in Turkey and Pakistan are taking careful notice. Obama just announced negotiations with the Taliban, who gave Al Qaida safe haven in Afghanistan to kill Americans on 9/11. Al Qaida is proclaiming victory in Egypt.

The United States is in retreat, step by step. Ahmadinejad has surrounded our ally Israel on almost all sides (Syria, Lebanon, Gaza, perhaps Egypt) as well as in the Mediterranean with the Turkish armed forces and Iranian war ships transiting the Suez Canal.

Obama is clearly letting it all happen, as no other American president has ever done. Europe has weakened itself immensely, and cannot defend itself. It lacks the will to do so, and increasingly, it lacks the military power. If they can't rely on us, they will look to Russia to be their new imperial master.

This is the biggest Western gamble since the Hitler appeasement policy of the 1930s. I don't know where the first major aggression will explode, but we are inviting attack on multiple fronts. We are playing the Weak Horse in Osama bin Laden's famous phrase. There is no need to do so, because we still have the raw military and political power. But we are signaling retreat and weakness all over the world, and the wolves and vultures are circling closer and closer.


Cmon son Really? Really?? I mean...ummmmm... Really????

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Post#724 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Feb 25, 2011 3:52 am

richardhutnik wrote:
No problem. The best thing, regard mugzi, is if there is anything regarding me, don't do a quote reply. Life is much better when mugzi doesn't exist. With me now, as much as I need work, and even if mugzi would be hiring, I would NEVER consider working for him. I can't work for someone who is as spun partisan as him. I also wouldn't work for an individual who advocates breaking the law to make money, and doesn't care they are doing that either.

Ok everyone, please don't bring up mugzi in quotes in threads that mention me. Well, I mean edit those parts out if you can. Mugzi is very much like my father in his argumentative ways. It is best, in that case to not try to fire back and argue. All you do is harden an opinion in the person's mind that they are under attack, and they stay in it. I had seen this mentality after the Arizona shooting. It looked like all humanity got thrown out in the name of partisanship. That appeared to be real mental health dysfunction to me. Probably under obsessive-compulsive disorder.

- Rich


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Post#725 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:03 am

:lol: :lol: :lol: @ Fox "News." Lie? Fox News lies? No!!!!!!

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/25/nyreg ... ml?_r=1&hp

Fox News Chief, Roger Ailes, Urged Employee to Lie, Records Show
By RUSS BUETTNER
Published: February 24, 2011

It was an incendiary allegation — and a mystery of great intrigue in the media world: After the publishing powerhouse Judith Regan was fired by HarperCollins in 2006, she claimed that a senior executive at its parent company, News Corporation, had encouraged her to lie two years earlier to federal investigators who were vetting Bernard B. Kerik for the job of homeland security secretary..

Ms. Regan had once been involved in an affair with Mr. Kerik, the former New York City police commissioner whose mentor and supporter, former Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani, was in the nascent stages of a presidential campaign. The News Corporation executive, whom she did not name, wanted to protect Mr. Giuliani and conceal the affair, she said.

Now, court documents filed in a lawsuit make clear whom Ms. Regan was accusing of urging her to lie: Roger E. Ailes, the powerful chairman of Fox News and a longtime friend of Mr. Giuliani. What is more, the documents say that Ms. Regan taped the telephone call from Mr. Ailes in which Mr. Ailes discussed her relationship with Mr. Kerik.

It is unclear whether the existence of the tape played a role in News Corporation’s decision to move quickly to settle a wrongful termination suit filed by Ms. Regan, paying her $10.75 million in a confidential settlement reached two months after she filed it in 2007.

Depending on the specifics, the taped conversation could possibly rise to the level of conspiring to lie to federal officials, a federal crime, but prosecutors rarely pursue such cases, said Daniel C. Richman, a Columbia University law professor and a former federal prosecutor.

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Post#726 » by mugzi » Fri Feb 25, 2011 10:42 am

yaboynyp wrote:
mugzi wrote:Here's a little insight into the Comrade in Chiefs foreign policy...

Obama Retreats, Ahmadinejad Advances
American Thinker ^ | February 22, 2011 | James Lewis


When Saddam Hussein's tank battalions brutally invaded Kuwait in 1992, the United States was able to knock Saddam's Air Force out of the sky in a matter of days. In the subsequent tank battles the United States ruled the air. After kicking Saddam out of Kuwait we maintained a no-fly zone over half of Iraq for the next six years, thereby stabilizing the Gulf on both sides. Where the USAF and USN ruled the skies Saddam could not launch a single plane or missile. The world's oil supply was protected, allowing European leftists to drive their cars at reasonable gas prices to noisy demonstrations to scream and rage at us, all because Uncle Sam was the good cop and kept them free.
Being the good cop has been our role for sixty years, ever since World War II; it's the single biggest reason we haven't had a World War III. Yet.


But Obama is now stopping the United States from being the good cop to keep the peace in the Middle East. Pax Americana is in retreat, step by step, and truly barbaric regimes are rearing their ugly heads all the way from Myanmar to the tip of South America. This administration is either grossly incompetent in foreign affairs, or it is genuinely self-destructive; it doesn't matter which. In the case of the mob-staged coup d'etat against Mubarak, Obama seemed more malevolent than ignorant, but the result is still the same. Egypt's reactionary Muslim Brotherhood is even now picking up all the chips Obama has lost in the latest farce. In Tahrir Square the new Ayatollah Khomeini of Egypt just came back from exile and addressed a million shouting supporters. Google's little twitter mobber Ghonim was kept off the stage. Only the US press was assaulted. The next time will be worse.

We are witnessing an exact copy of Jimmy Carter's abandonment of a pro-Western and fairly enlightened Iran in 1979. Carter allowed the first radical Islamist power to consolidate in the Middle East; more than a million people died in the war that followed. Jimmy still maintains his innocence, just as he's telling us now there's nothing to fear from the Muslim Bros, in spite of their famous five Rules for Islamic Radicals. They make Alinsky look like a guppy next to a Great White shark.

Obama has now pushing our thirty-year ally Hosni Mubarak out of power, letting the biggest country in the Middle East be radicalized. Meanwhile Turkey has fallen to another offshoot the Muslim Brotherhood. Gaza is under the thumb of Hamas after Israel gave in to US pressure to retreat, Lebanon is now run by Hezbollah, and Syria is allied with Ahmadinejad. No wonder all the bad guys are celebrating.

Every time Obama retreats, Ahmadinejad advances, step by step, like a chess master playing against a panicked rookie. You can see checkmate coming way ahead of time.

The United States still has overwhelming military and political power, but under Obama we have retreated from the Gulf, leaving the Saudis in a panic, ready to import nukes from Pakistan; we have retreated from our promise to defend Europe against Iranian and Russian missiles, and now we have allowed the biggest Arab power, Egypt, to be overthrown by what looks to be another Islamist radical fanatic, who will place Egypt on a war footing with Israel and the West.

In the last two years of Obama we given up five strategic bottlenecks, count ‘em:

1. The Strait of Hormuz, through which 40 percent of the world's oil flows. The Iranians have dug in very deep with ship-targeting missiles on their side of the Strait, and it will be like Iwo Jima to get them out of there. They can close the Strait any time they feel like it.

2. The Suez Canal, thereby putting pressure on the Mediterranean.

3. Somalia and the Atlantic bulge of Africa, where Somali pirates (protected by the Islamist forces in Somalia) are still free to blackmail world shipping.

4. Israel and its more peaceful Arab neighbors --- Lebanon, Egypt, and soon, perhaps, Jordan.

5. The missile flight routes from Iran to Europe.

At the same time the Obama administration has blocked and sabotaged domestic oil production.

This is a chess game in which we are simultaneously being threatened in five different places on the board, and we keep sacrificing our own pieces for no net gain.

After dithering for a week, the Egyptians are now allowing two Iranian warships to transit the Suez Canal into the Mediterranean. There they can link up with Turkey and Syria, two big military powers controlled by radical Muslim ideologies. Or they can fire ship-borne missiles at Israeli vessels the next time Turkey stages another Mavi Marmara provocation. Or, for that matter, they can threaten US naval fleets that have protected free trade in the Med since the end of World War Two. All it takes is a single suicide attack against a US carrier, and the Iranians have carried out numerous suicide attacks in their war against Saddam. Or just a single dirty bomb on a freighter, to create worldwide panic and plunge the world into an economic freeze.

If Obama has any rational strategy, I assume it is to pressure Israel into a "peace agreement' with major territorial concessions. If Obama can time that just before the next election he may get enough media glorification to win a second term.

The trouble is that America has now abandoned three major Middle East powers to the radicals: Iran, Turkey, and Egypt. How much can you trust a superpower that will walk away from a 30 year ally like Mubarak? Only until Obama figures out another way to screw an ally -- maybe Taiwan as a favor to China. Why would the Israelis and Jordanians trust Obama's peace agreement if the US voluntarily weakens its control? Why would Europe trust in American defenses of their oil supply, even though they keep disarming themselves?

The Israelis are left with two unpalatable choices. One is to strike Iran, as the center of aggression in the Middle East today. The trouble with that is that without full American cooperation, Turkey and Egypt may sabotage an Israel strike, with their powerful armed forces that may soon be in the hands of radicals. Israel can also explode a nuclear bomb as a warning, which it is bound to do if Iran explodes a bomb (now predicted for 2012-2015). But those are last-resort measures.

The second option is to hold tight and wait, hoping that Obama will lose the next election and that a better US government will follow. There is little doubt that cyberwarfare is constantly going on in secret, with Stuxnet 2.0 and 3.0 being launched. There are no doubt Iranian counter-attacks, maybe with the help of China and North Korea. We may never know that.

Wars are dynamic, and what's going on right now is the first cyberwar in history, with a hot war to follow if Iran threatens to go nuclear. So far we have seen no indication that Obama is an effective defender of American and Western values. In public he has seemed comfortable with the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and Turkey, and with Ahmadinejad in Iran. This administration makes a specialty of proclaiming American weakness and moral inferiority.

That seems objectively insane, but that's what we see. Obama has indicated no real concern about our long-time allies. You can be very sure that the Chinese, North Koreans, Japanese, Russians, Iranians, and now the Sunni radicals in Turkey and Pakistan are taking careful notice. Obama just announced negotiations with the Taliban, who gave Al Qaida safe haven in Afghanistan to kill Americans on 9/11. Al Qaida is proclaiming victory in Egypt.

The United States is in retreat, step by step. Ahmadinejad has surrounded our ally Israel on almost all sides (Syria, Lebanon, Gaza, perhaps Egypt) as well as in the Mediterranean with the Turkish armed forces and Iranian war ships transiting the Suez Canal.

Obama is clearly letting it all happen, as no other American president has ever done. Europe has weakened itself immensely, and cannot defend itself. It lacks the will to do so, and increasingly, it lacks the military power. If they can't rely on us, they will look to Russia to be their new imperial master.

This is the biggest Western gamble since the Hitler appeasement policy of the 1930s. I don't know where the first major aggression will explode, but we are inviting attack on multiple fronts. We are playing the Weak Horse in Osama bin Laden's famous phrase. There is no need to do so, because we still have the raw military and political power. But we are signaling retreat and weakness all over the world, and the wolves and vultures are circling closer and closer.


Cmon son Really? Really?? I mean...ummmmm... Really????

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I wouldnt expect some1 devoid of historical context to understand whats going on. It seems like you're one of the "useful idiots" that communists love.
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Post#727 » by mugzi » Fri Feb 25, 2011 10:45 am

HawthorneWingo wrote:My family is Muslim, so I don't see it that way, but ignorant people here in American equate being Muslim with being a terrorist.

I don't know what else to tell you.

Beside, why are you asking me that question? Shouldn't you be asking mugzi that question?


Can't you liberals get on the same page? Its pretty sad when you cant even agree on your course of slander.
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Post#728 » by mugzi » Fri Feb 25, 2011 10:54 am

richardhutnik wrote:
HawthorneWingo wrote::lol:

What do you got to say to this, mugz? I guess now the private sector doesn't know what it's talking about either.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld ... 7045.story

Report: GOP budget cuts would hit U.S. economy
Goldman Sachs analysis says Republicans' $61 billion in cuts would trim U.S. economic growth by half this year. Rep. John Boehner and others reject the report.

By Lisa Mascaro, Washington Bureau
February 23, 2011, 5:14 p.m.


Hey Hawthorne, when you reply to Mugzi and he is yammering about me, it would be ideal if you reply like this. It saves me from reading the bile that Mugzi spews. It is astonishing that Mugzi is one of the few individuals I have to killfilter. Of all the people I run into, there is only one other person whose spin on the world is so hostile and toxic that it is best to avoid them. That would be my father, who likely should be institutionalized.



- Rich



I know Dicky is too dense to realize what he just did but he just exposed himself once and for all on this thread.

Confused?

Let me explain.

It's painfully obvious Dicky has daddy issues. And from what I can gather, Daddy is a "deranged, hostile, toxic" conservative.

And when confronted with conservative ideology from some1 who can out think and out articulate him, he can't deal with it and he defaults to insults and tomfoolery.

I'm sorry you're a failure in life Dicky. I'm sorry you're 40 something years old living on welfare and railing against me and the world thats done you wrong.

And Dicky, I don't hate you or even dislike you. I just disagree with your warped world view and misanthropic demeanor.



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Post#729 » by mugzi » Fri Feb 25, 2011 10:57 am

This people is the world of political correctness that fascists like Dicky and Wingo want you to live in.

Is this necessary?

Is this right?

You decide.


Combat troops to get gay sensitivity training
Washington Times ^ | Feb. 24, 2011 | Rowan Scarborough


American combat troops will get sensitivity training directly on the battlefield about the military’s new policy on gays instead of waiting until they return to home base in the United States, the senior enlisted man in Afghanistan said Thursday.

The Pentagon is launching an extensive force-wide program to ease the process of integrating open homosexuals into the ranks, including into close-knit fighting units.

Army Command Sgt. Maj. Marvin Hill, the top enlisted man in Afghanistan where 100,000 U.S. troops are deployed, said that the sessions on respecting gays’ rights will go right down to the forward operating bases, where troops fight Taliban militants.

“I have heard about the training that will be forthcoming to the battlefield,” Sgt. Hill told Pentagon reporters via a teleconference from Kabul.

“We will take our directions from the Department of Defense, from the secretary of defense, the chairman, as well as the service chiefs of each service. Our plan is to take their direction, and we’re going to execute that training right here on the battlefield.”

No unit is exempted, he said.
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Post#730 » by duetta » Fri Feb 25, 2011 1:06 pm

Economic Scene
Why Budget Cuts Don’t Bring Prosperity
By DAVID LEONHARDT
Published: February 22, 2011

Remember the German economic boom of 2010?

Germany’s economic growth surged in the middle of last year, causing commentators both there and here to proclaim that American stimulus had failed and German austerity had worked. Germany’s announced budget cuts, the commentators said, had given private companies enough confidence in the government to begin spending their own money again.

Well, it turns out the German boom didn’t last long. With its modest stimulus winding down, Germany’s growth slowed sharply late last year, and its economic output still has not recovered to its prerecession peak. Output in the United States — where the stimulus program has been bigger and longer lasting — has recovered. This country would now need to suffer through a double-dip recession for its gross domestic product to be in the same condition as Germany’s.

(snip)

Similarly, there is no evidence that the government is gobbling up too many workers and keeping them from the private sector. When John Boehner, the speaker of the House, said last week that federal payrolls had grown by 200,000 people since Mr. Obama took office, he was simply wrong. The federal government has added only 58,000 workers, largely in national security, since January 2009. State and local governments have cut 405,000 jobs over the same span.


http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/23/busin ... nhardt.htm
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Post#731 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:04 pm

mugzi wrote:
HawthorneWingo wrote:My family is Muslim, so I don't see it that way, but ignorant people here in American equate being Muslim with being a terrorist.

I don't know what else to tell you.

Beside, why are you asking me that question? Shouldn't you be asking mugzi that question?


Can't you liberals get on the same page? Its pretty sad when you cant even agree on your course of slander.


Touche'. :lol:

However, we liberals think as individuals. We're not into the George Orwell 1984 group-think thang you rethuglicans are into.

Zing. :P
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Post#732 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:09 pm

duetta wrote:
Economic Scene
Why Budget Cuts Don’t Bring Prosperity
By DAVID LEONHARDT
Published: February 22, 2011

Remember the German economic boom of 2010?

Germany’s economic growth surged in the middle of last year, causing commentators both there and here to proclaim that American stimulus had failed and German austerity had worked. Germany’s announced budget cuts, the commentators said, had given private companies enough confidence in the government to begin spending their own money again.

Well, it turns out the German boom didn’t last long. With its modest stimulus winding down, Germany’s growth slowed sharply late last year, and its economic output still has not recovered to its prerecession peak. Output in the United States — where the stimulus program has been bigger and longer lasting — has recovered. This country would now need to suffer through a double-dip recession for its gross domestic product to be in the same condition as Germany’s.

(snip)

Similarly, there is no evidence that the government is gobbling up too many workers and keeping them from the private sector. When John Boehner, the speaker of the House, said last week that federal payrolls had grown by 200,000 people since Mr. Obama took office, he was simply wrong. The federal government has added only 58,000 workers, largely in national security, since January 2009. State and local governments have cut 405,000 jobs over the same span.


http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/23/busin ... nhardt.htm


You're the best. I forgot to post that article. But I can do you one better. How about this? (Bwhahaha). (Hey mugz, take a bite of this ...)

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/25/scien ... 5noaa.html

Scientists Are Cleared of Misuse of Data
By LESLIE KAUFMAN
Published: February 24, 2011

An inquiry by a federal watchdog agency found no evidence that scientists at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration manipulated climate data to buttress the evidence in support of global warming, officials said on Thursday.

The inquiry, by the Commerce Department’s inspector general, focused on e-mail messages between climate scientists that were stolen and circulated on the Internet in late 2009 (NOAA is part of the Commerce Department). Some of the e-mails involved scientists from NOAA.

Climate change skeptics contended that the correspondence showed that scientists were manipulating or withholding information to advance the theory that the earth is warming as a result of human activity.

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Post#733 » by richardhutnik » Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:35 pm

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HawthorneWingo wrote:My family is Muslim, so I don't see it that way, but ignorant people here in American equate being Muslim with being a terrorist.

I don't know what else to tell you.

Beside, why are you asking me that question? Shouldn't you be asking mugzi that question?


Can't you liberals get on the same page? Its pretty sad when you cant even agree on your course of slander.


Touche'. :lol:

However, we liberals think as individuals. We're not into the George Orwell 1984 group-think thang you rethuglicans are into.

Zing. :P


Who is Mugzi considering "we liberals"? Based on the bits you leak out here, any my prior dealings with Mugzi, I have to consider "liberals" is a buzzword used by Mugzi for anyone Mugzi disagrees with. The bits I saw looks like he is fully in the neocon camp, which argues for the use of preemptive wars, and supporting of dictators, on the way to "spreading Democracy" around the worlds. When the people do it, and seem to be causing what neocons barked about for freedom, and doing it without invasion, Mugzi goes off and freaks out, following the worst paranoid mindset seen from Glenn Beck, that will link the union protests in the United States to a movement of Muslim fundamentalism. While there is reason to have valid concerns about the fundamentalists hijacking the movement, what appears to be happening is the bulk of the protests in the mideast are driven by secular forces, that use Facebook, Twitter, and other Internet tools, to call for freedom and Democracy.

And, in this, again more of my time gets wasted here.

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Post#734 » by yaboynyp » Fri Feb 25, 2011 6:05 pm

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mugzi wrote:Here's a little insight into the Comrade in Chiefs foreign policy...

Obama Retreats, Ahmadinejad Advances
American Thinker ^ | February 22, 2011 | James Lewis


When Saddam Hussein's tank battalions brutally invaded Kuwait in 1992, the United States was able to knock Saddam's Air Force out of the sky in a matter of days. In the subsequent tank battles the United States ruled the air. After kicking Saddam out of Kuwait we maintained a no-fly zone over half of Iraq for the next six years, thereby stabilizing the Gulf on both sides. Where the USAF and USN ruled the skies Saddam could not launch a single plane or missile. The world's oil supply was protected, allowing European leftists to drive their cars at reasonable gas prices to noisy demonstrations to scream and rage at us, all because Uncle Sam was the good cop and kept them free.
Being the good cop has been our role for sixty years, ever since World War II; it's the single biggest reason we haven't had a World War III. Yet.


But Obama is now stopping the United States from being the good cop to keep the peace in the Middle East. Pax Americana is in retreat, step by step, and truly barbaric regimes are rearing their ugly heads all the way from Myanmar to the tip of South America. This administration is either grossly incompetent in foreign affairs, or it is genuinely self-destructive; it doesn't matter which. In the case of the mob-staged coup d'etat against Mubarak, Obama seemed more malevolent than ignorant, but the result is still the same. Egypt's reactionary Muslim Brotherhood is even now picking up all the chips Obama has lost in the latest farce. In Tahrir Square the new Ayatollah Khomeini of Egypt just came back from exile and addressed a million shouting supporters. Google's little twitter mobber Ghonim was kept off the stage. Only the US press was assaulted. The next time will be worse.

We are witnessing an exact copy of Jimmy Carter's abandonment of a pro-Western and fairly enlightened Iran in 1979. Carter allowed the first radical Islamist power to consolidate in the Middle East; more than a million people died in the war that followed. Jimmy still maintains his innocence, just as he's telling us now there's nothing to fear from the Muslim Bros, in spite of their famous five Rules for Islamic Radicals. They make Alinsky look like a guppy next to a Great White shark.

Obama has now pushing our thirty-year ally Hosni Mubarak out of power, letting the biggest country in the Middle East be radicalized. Meanwhile Turkey has fallen to another offshoot the Muslim Brotherhood. Gaza is under the thumb of Hamas after Israel gave in to US pressure to retreat, Lebanon is now run by Hezbollah, and Syria is allied with Ahmadinejad. No wonder all the bad guys are celebrating.

Every time Obama retreats, Ahmadinejad advances, step by step, like a chess master playing against a panicked rookie. You can see checkmate coming way ahead of time.

The United States still has overwhelming military and political power, but under Obama we have retreated from the Gulf, leaving the Saudis in a panic, ready to import nukes from Pakistan; we have retreated from our promise to defend Europe against Iranian and Russian missiles, and now we have allowed the biggest Arab power, Egypt, to be overthrown by what looks to be another Islamist radical fanatic, who will place Egypt on a war footing with Israel and the West.

In the last two years of Obama we given up five strategic bottlenecks, count ‘em:

1. The Strait of Hormuz, through which 40 percent of the world's oil flows. The Iranians have dug in very deep with ship-targeting missiles on their side of the Strait, and it will be like Iwo Jima to get them out of there. They can close the Strait any time they feel like it.

2. The Suez Canal, thereby putting pressure on the Mediterranean.

3. Somalia and the Atlantic bulge of Africa, where Somali pirates (protected by the Islamist forces in Somalia) are still free to blackmail world shipping.

4. Israel and its more peaceful Arab neighbors --- Lebanon, Egypt, and soon, perhaps, Jordan.

5. The missile flight routes from Iran to Europe.

At the same time the Obama administration has blocked and sabotaged domestic oil production.

This is a chess game in which we are simultaneously being threatened in five different places on the board, and we keep sacrificing our own pieces for no net gain.

After dithering for a week, the Egyptians are now allowing two Iranian warships to transit the Suez Canal into the Mediterranean. There they can link up with Turkey and Syria, two big military powers controlled by radical Muslim ideologies. Or they can fire ship-borne missiles at Israeli vessels the next time Turkey stages another Mavi Marmara provocation. Or, for that matter, they can threaten US naval fleets that have protected free trade in the Med since the end of World War Two. All it takes is a single suicide attack against a US carrier, and the Iranians have carried out numerous suicide attacks in their war against Saddam. Or just a single dirty bomb on a freighter, to create worldwide panic and plunge the world into an economic freeze.

If Obama has any rational strategy, I assume it is to pressure Israel into a "peace agreement' with major territorial concessions. If Obama can time that just before the next election he may get enough media glorification to win a second term.

The trouble is that America has now abandoned three major Middle East powers to the radicals: Iran, Turkey, and Egypt. How much can you trust a superpower that will walk away from a 30 year ally like Mubarak? Only until Obama figures out another way to screw an ally -- maybe Taiwan as a favor to China. Why would the Israelis and Jordanians trust Obama's peace agreement if the US voluntarily weakens its control? Why would Europe trust in American defenses of their oil supply, even though they keep disarming themselves?

The Israelis are left with two unpalatable choices. One is to strike Iran, as the center of aggression in the Middle East today. The trouble with that is that without full American cooperation, Turkey and Egypt may sabotage an Israel strike, with their powerful armed forces that may soon be in the hands of radicals. Israel can also explode a nuclear bomb as a warning, which it is bound to do if Iran explodes a bomb (now predicted for 2012-2015). But those are last-resort measures.

The second option is to hold tight and wait, hoping that Obama will lose the next election and that a better US government will follow. There is little doubt that cyberwarfare is constantly going on in secret, with Stuxnet 2.0 and 3.0 being launched. There are no doubt Iranian counter-attacks, maybe with the help of China and North Korea. We may never know that.

Wars are dynamic, and what's going on right now is the first cyberwar in history, with a hot war to follow if Iran threatens to go nuclear. So far we have seen no indication that Obama is an effective defender of American and Western values. In public he has seemed comfortable with the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and Turkey, and with Ahmadinejad in Iran. This administration makes a specialty of proclaiming American weakness and moral inferiority.

That seems objectively insane, but that's what we see. Obama has indicated no real concern about our long-time allies. You can be very sure that the Chinese, North Koreans, Japanese, Russians, Iranians, and now the Sunni radicals in Turkey and Pakistan are taking careful notice. Obama just announced negotiations with the Taliban, who gave Al Qaida safe haven in Afghanistan to kill Americans on 9/11. Al Qaida is proclaiming victory in Egypt.

The United States is in retreat, step by step. Ahmadinejad has surrounded our ally Israel on almost all sides (Syria, Lebanon, Gaza, perhaps Egypt) as well as in the Mediterranean with the Turkish armed forces and Iranian war ships transiting the Suez Canal.

Obama is clearly letting it all happen, as no other American president has ever done. Europe has weakened itself immensely, and cannot defend itself. It lacks the will to do so, and increasingly, it lacks the military power. If they can't rely on us, they will look to Russia to be their new imperial master.

This is the biggest Western gamble since the Hitler appeasement policy of the 1930s. I don't know where the first major aggression will explode, but we are inviting attack on multiple fronts. We are playing the Weak Horse in Osama bin Laden's famous phrase. There is no need to do so, because we still have the raw military and political power. But we are signaling retreat and weakness all over the world, and the wolves and vultures are circling closer and closer.


Cmon son Really? Really?? I mean...ummmmm... Really????

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I wouldnt expect some1 devoid of historical context to understand whats going on. It seems like you're one of the "useful idiots" that communists love.


And your one of those brainwashed idiots that believes everything he reads, especially when it supports there own partisan view. Maybe your post would have a little bit more credibility if it didn't start off with the phrase "Here's a little insight into the Comrade in Chiefs foreign policy..." (Really?). Obviously you only support peoples freedoms if it leads to your kind of people being in power.

Now why don't you go run along and go eat a bowl of Stfu soup until you learn how to be an independent thinker. Till then stop shoving other peoples opinions, that your obviously not smart enough to come up with on your own, down peoples throat. Like you thought anything about the "historical context" until you read that article..lol Mugzi please :lol: :lol: ... Your trying to hard bro, plus you need to start building that bunker and collecting guns so when the black helicopters come to get you, you will be prepared....
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Post#735 » by richardhutnik » Fri Feb 25, 2011 6:47 pm

yaboynyp wrote:And your one of those brainwashed idiots that believes everything he reads, especially when it supports there own partisan view. Maybe your post would have a little bit more credibility if it didn't start off with the phrase "Here's a little insight into the Comrade in Chiefs foreign policy..." (Really?). Obviously you only support peoples freedoms if it leads to your kind of people being in power.

Now why don't you go run along and go eat a bowl of Stfu soup until you learn how to be an independent thinker. Till then stop shoving other peoples opinions, that your obviously not smart enough to come up with on your own, down peoples throat. Like you thought anything about the "historical context" until you read that article..lol Mugzi please :lol: :lol: ... Your trying to hard bro, plus you need to start building that bunker and collecting guns so when the black helicopters come to get you, you will be prepared....


A problem with a partisan mind is that it views EVERYTHING through a partisan filter, and has problems receiving data that conflicts with its view. The partisan mind will end up, just like a fanboy, selectively filter info for use in arguments. Even in cases, like the Arizona shooting, the mind will then see everything as a political battleground, with everything at stake. Even when the end result was a madman, the partisan mind (on the left) saw it as a person who was indoctrinated by the Tea Party. On the right, they saw it as being made a victim, and persecuted by a liberal media. It then became a case of fighting for survival, for their sake, and the sake of the nation.

If such a person is in a continual state of war, you waste your time bothering to talk to them. NOTHING you say will change their mind, and there is NOTHING you can do to establish common ground. It is either total victory for them, or annihilation.

"Build a bunker"? Hmmm.... an interesting note here is that you know things have gone south when people start calling your house a "compound".

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Post#736 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Feb 25, 2011 7:00 pm

mugzi wrote:This people is the world of political correctness that fascists like Dicky and Wingo want you to live in.



mugzi, if you think I'm a fascist, then you just exposed yourself of having no clue what that word means.
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Post#737 » by mugzi » Fri Feb 25, 2011 8:25 pm

HawthorneWingo wrote:
mugzi wrote:This people is the world of political correctness that fascists like Dicky and Wingo want you to live in.



mugzi, if you think I'm a fascist, then you just exposed yourself of having no clue what that word means.


Funny then you must not know what intellectual fascism means.

I know what fascism means and liberals like you are velvet gloved fascists. You argue for free speech unless it's contrary to your beliefs. You push for draconian laws like the fairness doctrine in order to stifle a medium in talk radio that you progressives can't get a foothold in.

You try to shove political correctness down everyone's throats and have infected the universities in droves.

You use words like "racism" to try to vilify your opposition and its used so much by liberals it's almost devoid of any real meaning anymore.

Like I said, intellectual fascism.
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Post#738 » by duetta » Fri Feb 25, 2011 8:27 pm

Gates Warns Against Any More Wars Like Iraq or Afghanistan
By THOM SHANKER
Published: February 25, 2011

WEST POINT, NY — Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates bluntly told an audience of West Point cadets on Friday that it would be unwise for the United States to ever fight another war like Iraq or Afghanistan, and that the chances of carrying out a change of regime in that fashion again are slim.

“In my opinion, any future defense secretary who advises the president to again send a big American land army into Asia or into the Middle East or Africa should ‘have his head examined,’ as General MacArthur so delicately put it,” Mr. Gates told an assembly of Army cadets here.

That reality, he said, meant that the Army would have to reshape its budget, since potential conflicts in places like Asia or the Persian Gulf were more likely to be fought with air and sea power, rather than with conventional ground forces.






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Post#739 » by yaboynyp » Fri Feb 25, 2011 8:30 pm

richardhutnik wrote:
yaboynyp wrote:And your one of those brainwashed idiots that believes everything he reads, especially when it supports there own partisan view. Maybe your post would have a little bit more credibility if it didn't start off with the phrase "Here's a little insight into the Comrade in Chiefs foreign policy..." (Really?). Obviously you only support peoples freedoms if it leads to your kind of people being in power.

Now why don't you go run along and go eat a bowl of Stfu soup until you learn how to be an independent thinker. Till then stop shoving other peoples opinions, that your obviously not smart enough to come up with on your own, down peoples throat. Like you thought anything about the "historical context" until you read that article..lol Mugzi please :lol: :lol: ... Your trying to hard bro, plus you need to start building that bunker and collecting guns so when the black helicopters come to get you, you will be prepared....


A problem with a partisan mind is that it views EVERYTHING through a partisan filter, and has problems receiving data that conflicts with its view. The partisan mind will end up, just like a fanboy, selectively filter info for use in arguments. Even in cases, like the Arizona shooting, the mind will then see everything as a political battleground, with everything at stake. Even when the end result was a madman, the partisan mind (on the left) saw it as a person who was indoctrinated by the Tea Party. On the right, they saw it as being made a victim, and persecuted by a liberal media. It then became a case of fighting for survival, for their sake, and the sake of the nation.

If such a person is in a continual state of war, you waste your time bothering to talk to them. NOTHING you say will change their mind, and there is NOTHING you can do to establish common ground. It is either total victory for them, or annihilation.

"Build a bunker"? Hmmm.... an interesting note here is that you know things have gone south when people start calling your house a "compound".

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Post#740 » by mugzi » Fri Feb 25, 2011 8:35 pm

yaboynyp wrote:
And your one of those brainwashed idiots that believes everything he reads, especially when it supports there own partisan view. Maybe your post would have a little bit more credibility if it didn't start off with the phrase "Here's a little insight into the Comrade in Chiefs foreign policy..." (Really?). Obviously you only support peoples freedoms if it leads to your kind of people being in power.

Now why don't you go run along and go eat a bowl of Stfu soup until you learn how to be an independent thinker. Till then stop shoving other peoples opinions, that your obviously not smart enough to come up with on your own, down peoples throat. Like you thought anything about the "historical context" until you read that article..lol Mugzi please :lol: :lol: ... Your trying to hard bro, plus you need to start building that bunker and collecting guns so when the black helicopters come to get you, you will be prepared....



I'm someone who understands history as I have a degree in it from UCLA, so I studied WW2 and the events that led up to it and the policy of appeasement. I also understand that these are dangerous times globally that call for real leadership. When people are dying in the streets of Libya and the white house takes 2 weeks to even respond to the matter, thats problematic. And in case you forgot this country affords everyone the right to express their opinions of dissent.

And who are you? Your a nobody who popped his head in on a thread that's been going on for years that you are ill equipped to understand or even respond to. So crawl back under whatever rock you came from and leave this to the people who have been here debating before you ever even stumbled onto this site.
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