[Camelo Thread Part 9] - OJ to DEN, Melo to NY? Pg 7

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Hahn really wusses out saying that all Prohkorov needs to do is walk in the room with him.

It's an insult to Melo but more importantly, it is this hero worship thing.

He's tall ... he's rich ... he's Russian ... oh woooooow.

I must have missed the section in the CBA that grants an exception to the CBA every year if you're tall rich and Russian.

Melo should be smarter than this.

Funny thing is we still don't know whether this guy is what they think he is. He got the Nets on the cheap. Just like all his past investments. The only thing his life shows is he is a buy low and sell high type of guy.

[Jmonty580]

I think people underestimate how much this new breed of players just want to win as opposed to being stuck in a losing situation with a lot of cash. I think they understand that money and fame comes from winning--not just the contract they get with the team they're on.

Exactly, this is the driving reason behind him wanting out of Denver. He saw the assembly of the Heat team and he doesnt want to be cut out of an oppurtunity of winning a championship. When normal teams had one superstar he was ok in Denver, they could add peices so that he could compete with lebron or wade, or Amare or whomever else. But when Lebron, Bosh and Wade team up, what does he do now? He teams up with others himself so that he can compete. Thats why CP3 made the comments he made about joining the Knicks because he too doesnt want to be shut out. Amare wants to compete. He cant do that in NJ. By default Denver trades him to NY or he walks and signs with NY in the offseason. He wants to win, thats how i see it.

[kane2021]

Not sure if this was posted.

The Nuggets have no interest in O.J. Mayo, killing a possible three-team trade between also involving the Knicks and Grizzlies, sources tell ESPN.com.
It's back to square one for Carmelo Anthony and the Knicks, who are now likely feeling even more pressure from the Nets. Reports are surfacing that the three-team deal with the Nets, Nuggets and Pistons are re-heating up and a deal could be reached in principle as soon as next week. At that point, Carmelo would have to decide if he's willing to sign an extension in New Jersey. Jan. 14 - 11:58 am et
Source: Chris Broussard on Twitter

[Gregory151]

i think the russian will sell him straight business.. i dont think basketball is even going to be most of the conversation.. I mean the whole reason why he wants melo is for pr purposes, not to win.. thats all this guy has to offer, possible business opportunities..

Now before the season melo said his number one priority is winning.. and i for the most part believe him.. i also believe he wants to build a legacy.. what makes me think that is after he had that gym built for syracuse, every interview ive seen where he talked about it, he said that it was a big deal to him because that building has his name on it and will still be standing after he's "dead and gone".. because i heard him say that more than once, however minuscule, i believe he cares about his name and the legacy he leaves.. Nets.. wont give you much of that.. The knick's allure is way more than just winning.. its the garden, its the city, its the ability to win, the fans, the energy, the intangibles. I dont think melo is dumb & he seems like a man that has his priorities straight.. so with all that said, we'll see

[AllanHoustonFan]

i think the russian will sell him straight business.. i dont think basketball is even going to be most of the conversation.. I mean the whole reason why he wants melo is for pr purposes, not to win.. thats all this guy has to offer, possible business opportunities..

Now before the season melo said his number one priority is winning.. and i for the most part believe him.. i also believe he wants to build a legacy.. what makes me think that is after he had that gym built for syracuse, every interview ive seen where he talked about it, he said that it was a big deal to him because that building has his name on it and will still be standing after he's "dead and gone".. because i heard him say that more than once, however minuscule, i believe he cares about his name and the legacy he leaves.. Nets.. wont give you much of that.. The knick's allure is way more than just winning.. its the garden, its the city, its the ability to win, the fans, the energy, the intangibles. I dont think melo is dumb & he seems like a man that has his priorities straight.. so with all that said, we'll see

Beautifully put.

[ewingxmanstarks]

let the garbage nets have him already........billips, hamilton, lopez, humphreys, and mello is a
lineup that is going nowhere! melo is punk, let him be the face of the worst franchise in sports history, maybe he can sell more stop snitching smack DVDs in Brooklyn, and because its the nets
it will be acceptable to sucker punch someone and then run like a coward......nets giving up up picks
and cap space will make them a laughing stock for years to come, and melo is not smart or articulate
and will not be able to Handel the new york press especially when they start losing....dw should make a push 4 grannger, if they cant get him iggy, if we cant do either were still better than the nyets

Well actually he is fairly articulate and relatively smart, also very generous with his money. That's why none of this makes sense. He donates millions, is already filthy rich...he can't just be all about the money, which is what the Nets deal represents. I have a hard time believing he'll do this...I think this is a hail mary by the Nets hoping he'll sign the extension...if Melo was agreeable to this, it would have happened by now. Is Prok really going to change his mind? I don't see it. Donnie is playing this just right.

i don't know him, but if u say he's generous i can concede that to u, however with the uncertainty of the next cba.....he can go from making over 20 mill per to 10 mill.....i don't blame him for sighing now, but if it was all about wining (like he said) he would stay in Denver rather than sign with nj

[RHODEY]

I feel this situation is definitely going to get into February. If Melo can even be sold on NJ it's not going to happen in the first meeting. This deal is going to sit on the table with agent hammering Melo to sign right up until something else happens.

If he folds right away I'd be very blown away that he could be so weak willed because I know he has a strong preference right now. It will be hard to make that shift so it won't be finished quickly. As much as being the man in the new arena, with everything built around him will sound good.... sure it will 'sound' good.

With the Knicks he knows his team elevates to a top 2-3 team in the east for the next 5 years with a chance to make it to the finals in any of those seasons along the way. He knows he'll become iconic and partner with Amar'e as the face of the franchise. He'll have a chance to become a legend in NY, a chance to get his number retired.

With the Nets he knows that he'll again be depended upon as the reason why his team makes the playoffs every season and barely a top 8 team in the east. He knows every year the question will be has the organization done enough to surround him with talent. He knows he'll always be on the stepchild franchise in the NY area. He'll be lucky if he doesn't have to finish his career a Net.

At first it will 'sound' good..... I just hope he comes to his senses before he makes a mistake.

Yep gotta agree.

What are the Nets going to sell Melo on that they haven't tried to sell Bron, Bosh, Wade, Joe Johnson, and Boozer last summer?

Those guys passed on the nets before they (the NETS) had a chance to stink up their playoff position. Conversely the Knicks are in a better position than most expected, 6th seed at least.

So these clowns are trying to tell us that Melo takes the offer that everyone else turned down just for that extension? Just for a chance to play with aging 12 point a game Hamilton?

Melo would be laughing stock among his peers and the league....

[Jmonty580]

i think the russian will sell him straight business.. i dont think basketball is even going to be most of the conversation.. I mean the whole reason why he wants melo is for pr purposes, not to win.. thats all this guy has to offer, possible business opportunities..

Now before the season melo said his number one priority is winning.. and i for the most part believe him.. i also believe he wants to build a legacy.. what makes me think that is after he had that gym built for syracuse, every interview ive seen where he talked about it, he said that it was a big deal to him because that building has his name on it and will still be standing after he's "dead and gone".. because i heard him say that more than once, however minuscule, i believe he cares about his name and the legacy he leaves.. Nets.. wont give you much of that.. The knick's allure is way more than just winning.. its the garden, its the city, its the ability to win, the fans, the energy, the intangibles. I dont think melo is dumb & he seems like a man that has his priorities straight.. so with all that said, we'll see

Exactly!!

[JohnStarksTheDunk]

Hahn really wusses out saying that all Prohkorov needs to do is walk in the room with him.

It's an insult to Melo but more importantly, it is this hero worship thing.

He's tall ... he's rich ... he's Russian ... oh woooooow.

I must have missed the section in the CBA that grants an exception to the CBA every year if you're tall rich and Russian.

Melo should be smarter than this.

Agreed.

I'm also getting annoyed with all the talk about summer free agents saying the Nets gave a better presentation than the Knicks. If they did, who cares? Are these guys not smart enough to make decisions based on their own logic and intelligence? I wouldn't be surprised if Donnie's meetings were "boring" or lacked "pizazz", but are those the things that should really weight heavily in a player's decision? All someone has to do is look at Amare right now to see what Donnie, the Knicks, and the city of New York can offer. You think he regrets his decision?

[jamrock1975]

There is one thing that is botheriing that I am having a hard time understanding. Everyone believes that Carmelo is not going to go to free agency because he wants his $65M contract extension before the old CBA expires. If Denver believes that as well then why wouldn't they just tell him we aer not trading you, this is the play we have and we can get Chris Paul in 2012. The Lakers are getting old, the Spurs are getting old in the West, Meanwhile in the East you have Orlando, Chicago Bulls and Miami still relatively young and New York rising.

Why would you want to go to the East and compete with that. If they don't trade before February 24th what is he going to do not sign the $65M extension would he not be losing out money based on all the doomsday scenarios people are painting. Secondly if Denver calls his bluff and he then turns around and not sign with them isn't it that same New CBA he would be sigining a new contract under. I am confused and I like what Tommy Dee says if Carmelo wants to be a Knick he will be a Knick either by forcing his way via trade or sign as a free agent. If he wants to be a Net he will be a Net. Everyone keeps saying they are sure he does not want to re-sign with the Nuggets, but then turns around and says they are sure he will not go to free agency he wants that extension, but then Denver doesn't want to Lebroned and lose him for nothing.

Well how are they gonna lose him for nothing if they are sure he is going to sign that extension because the money. Which one is it?

[Future Soldier]

He's going to assure him he and his agent Peon Rose are going to get CP3 in a BK uniform by next year and that Brooke Lopez will magically become a hardcore, militant rebounder/defender with Anthony on the team.

[god shammgod]

in all seriousness the nets are probably going to try to convince melo that if he comes the nets will be his franchise and if he goes to ny he'll be in amare's shadow. that's the same tactic they tried with lebron to convince him that miami wasn't for him.

[AllanHoustonFan]

in all seriousness the nets are probably going to try to convince melo that if he comes the nets will be his franchise and if he goes to ny he'll be in amare's shadow. that's the same tactic they tried with lebron to convince him that miami wasn't for him.

They can try again. Melo is already the face of a franchise.

[Dr. Detfink]

Leon Rose (Agent for Lebron and Eddy Curry) is the one that is sabotaging the Knicks and trying to convince Melo to come to Nyets. He want to get PAID.

[JohnStarksTheDunk]

He's going to assure him he and his agent Peon Rose are going to get CP3 in a BK uniform by next year and that Brooke Lopez will magically become a hardcore, militant rebounder/defender with Anthony on the team.

And convince that they'll actually have enough cap room to sign CP3 while keeping Lopez.

[Ewing33]

He's going to assure him he and his agent Peon Rose are going to get CP3 in a BK uniform by next year and that Brooke Lopez will magically become a hardcore, militant rebounder/defender with Anthony on the team.

Brook Lopez = discipline Eddy Curry
same game, all about scoring and no rebounding or defense. without the occasional block Lopez lucks in to they have the same game. eddy just loves pie and pudding too much to slim down and play...

[moocow007]

in all seriousness the nets are probably going to try to convince melo that if he comes the nets will be his franchise and if he goes to ny he'll be in amare's shadow. that's the same tactic they tried with lebron to convince him that miami wasn't for him.

But isn't that kinda like showing someone an run down rat infested apartment in, oh I don't know, Newark and saying this is "all yours" and trying to convice him how that is better than sharing a nice big apartment in, oh I don't know, the heart of Manhattan?

[Jmonty580]

There is one thing that is botheriing that I am having a hard time understanding. Everyone believes that Carmelo is not going to go to free agency because he wants his $65M contract extension before the old CBA expires. If Denver believes that as well then why wouldn't they just tell him we aer not trading you, this is the play we have and we can get Chris Paul in 2012. The Lakers are getting old, the Spurs are getting old in the West, Meanwhile in the East you have Orlando, Chicago Bulls and Miami still relatively young and New York rising.

Why would you want to go to the East and compete with that. If they don't trade before February 24th what is he going to do not sign the $65M extension would he not be losing out money based on all the doomsday scenarios people are painting. Secondly if Denver calls his bluff and he then turns around and not sign with them isn't it that same New CBA he would be sigining a new contract under. I am confused and I like what Tommy Dee says if Carmelo wants to be a Knick he will be a Knick either by forcing his way via trade or sign as a free agent. If he wants to be a Net he will be a Net. Everyone keeps saying they are sure he does not want to re-sign with the Nuggets, but then turns around and says they are sure he will not go to free agency he wants that extension, but then Denver doesn't want to Lebroned and lose him for nothing.

Well how are they gonna lose him for nothing if they are sure he is going to sign that extension because the money. Which one is it?

They arent sure. They are hoping so, but it seems like they have come to the realization that he will become a FA if he isnt traded, thats why they are making threats to the Nets to get a deal done. They are engaging with the nets for two reason. 1 because there is still hope that Melo goes there instead of NY who they dont want to deal with just to get his money. And two, even if he doesnt want to go there maybe it will force the Knicks to make an offer that Denver really wants.

And for staying in the west. What good is staying in the easier west? Sure lets say they make the finals somehow, they'll only lose to stacked east teams. I'd rather face the heat in the confrence finals in the east and get it out of the way than in the finals coming out of the east. Some players want to compete against the best. I think Melo is one of them.

[vallen]

Reaching...

[jamrock1975]

One thing Leon Rose will not do is get Chris Paul in a Nets uniform before the end of next season. The NBA owns that team and unless New Jersey comes with a kings ransom it's not happening. Matter of fact I don't think it happens even with a kings ransom. Another question that I have to ask is if the new CBA is such dooms day scenario why aren't more superstars that are currently under contract pushing for extensions? Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Dwight Howard, Derrick Rose, Russell Westbrook, I mean what am i missing here about the doom and gloom of this new CBA agreement?