[Camelo Thread Part 16] - Denver wants what?! p58

[mpharris36]

This is not a who's better post, (Gallo/Fields) but rather my strategic point of view... and something I feel gets overlooked in the discussion on this board.

Fields is our starting SG AND our 2nd best rebounder on a team that ranks 19th overall in rebounds in the league. Trading Chandler AND Gallinari makes more sense to me. Both guys play the same position (same as Carmelo as well), we loose less rebounding and only one starter.

Who knows what we'll get in return, but it would be devastating to loose our 2nd and 3rd best rebounders.

RPG

8.6 - (PF/C) Amar'eStoudemire
7.2 - (SG) Landry Fields
5.9 - (SF) Wison Chandler <
4.6 - (SF) Danilo Gallinari <
3.6 - (PG) Raymond Felton

7.7 - (SF) Carmelo Anthony

Fields had the best Defensive Rebound Percentage (20.1%) of any Knick who plays in the regular rotation, including Amar’e Stoudemire. Stoudemire is second at 19.5%.

Fields’ DReb% is not only outstanding for a guard, but it would be a very good mark even for a big man. If he were one percentage point higher at 21.1%, he would crack the Top-20 in the NBA. None of the Top-20 is shorter than 6-foot-9 and all of them are either centers or power forwards, except for Josh Smith and Lamar Odom, who play both forward positions.

This has been a crucial – and completely unexpected – contribution to the Knicks, who are not a good rebounding team as a whole and who would be in even worse shape without Fields.

I love fields and not knocking him, he does many things very well and should only improve. but those 7.2 rebounds are very scewed. He usually gets at least 3 rebounds a game off missed Free Throws. Watch and you will see. Most teams just let them big men get those rebounds but the knicks let landry swoop in a get them. FT rebounds are just stat padding rebounds as usually no one is trying to get the offensive rebounds.

Trust me watch every FT miss and see what im talking about, he would be averging 4-5 rebounds a game without those gimme FT rebounds.

[Jitpal]

Well Bucher still hasn't said anything on Mike & Mike. They went to break again, supposedly he's going to talk about it after. I'll confirm or amend once he speaks. Tune in. -Jitpal

[BigUgly]

If Denver is asking all that we can find a middle ground. We are going to have to give up more than pending FA Chnadler FACE IT . Its for a franchise player

[knicks742]

If Denver is asking all that we can find a middle ground. We are going to have to give up more than pending FA Chnadler FACE IT . Its for a franchise player

1. He is not a franchise player.

2. We are not just giving up Chandler. We are giving them $20 million in savings, Chandler, Brewer and a 1st round pick (or at least that's the rumored deal). My guess is that the real deal is Chandler, pick and $20 million in cash savings.

[knicks9784]

If Denver is asking all that we can find a middle ground. We are going to have to give up more than pending FA Chnadler FACE IT . Its for a franchise player

someone's gonna argue that bolded part with you im sure lol

anyways i totally agree, but i just think its silly even from a negotiating stand point to start at something so ludicrous as an entire starting lineup. its pointless cause in the scheme of things the highest offer and lowest offer are basically thrown out and never need to be proposed. the final deal wont be impacted by the highest and lowest offers, idk to me that offer comes off as insulting if im the knicks.

[BigUgly]

No way we get him for Chandler and savings . You will see if there is a trade . I hope im wrong but i know i wont be. And yes he is a franchise player

[knicks9784]

bucher knows the new cba apparently, he just cited 11 million as the new max per year hahaha

[god shammgod]

Lets be totaly honest about gallo he is a good player but he is not a player who is ever going to be at elite level or a all star player. If or when carmelo comes here what postion will gallo play because he can't play shooting guard and he defiently can't play power foward. There is no room for him to be on this team i know its hard for people accept the fact you might have to loose a gallo but this carmelo its once life time type player.

We cant be honest about gallo here on this board. Its not allowed. You can try. But self proclaimed geniuses will break out complex mathematical formulas to support their argument. Then make fun of you and tell you that you are not smart enough to understand.

this is so true. i stay clear of most conversations about him because of this.

[ray_ray1]

Bucher is a moron

[Demyze]

What is the difference if they trade him now compared to at the end of the season?

[Jitpal]

Max Kellerman is going to be on 1050 at 10:30. I know that has nothing to do with Melo, but he's good.

Ok now onto Knicks related stuff from Bucher:
- Bucher says the game last time influenced the Melo talks. Didn't specify but sounded like they were out.
- Bucher saying the Knicks matter and a lock to make the playoffs.
- Bucher says Chandler is impacted by the trade rumors. Everyone else is just "coming back to earth"
- Bucher says Bynum needs to demonstrate his skill tonight in reference to a Melo deal. As in worth keeping or not.
- Bucher thinks trading after the season or S&T isn't ideal.
- Bucher thinks one of two things happen. Knicks make a deal Denver wants or Denver holds on to him and hopes for Franchise tag. (Really going out on a limb )
- The hard look comment doesn't mean he's going to stay in Denver
- Bucher says the proposal out there for new CBA is 11 million max per year.
- Doesn't see a deal with the Lakers because he thinks it needs to be bigger with Nene included.

That's it. -JItpal

[knicks9784]

What is the difference if they trade him now compared to at the end of the season?

the quality of offer most likely and i dont know if they can save money if they trade him at the end of the year. depends how/when they apply the luxury tax.

[knicks742]

What is the difference if they trade him now compared to at the end of the season?

Teams will not be able to trade them expiring deals that end on July 1, 2011. They also would not be able to get the $20 million in savings that we are offering in our specific deal.

[Demyze]

What is the difference if they trade him now compared to at the end of the season?

Teams will not be able to trade them expiring deals that end on July 1, 2011. They also would not be able to get the $20 million in savings that we are offering in our specific deal.

I get it, wow that means we have alot of leverage. I don't see it going to the summer then at all, that's a dumb for Denver then if they let it happen.

[ray_ray1]

What is the difference if they trade him now compared to at the end of the season?

Teams will not be able to trade them expiring deals that end on July 1, 2011. They also would not be able to get the $20 million in savings that we are offering in our specific deal.

Exactly, all very key in all of this, and it's amazing how few people know about it and are discussing it.

[knicks9784]

What is the difference if they trade him now compared to at the end of the season?

Teams will not be able to trade them expiring deals that end on July 1, 2011. They also would not be able to get the $20 million in savings that we are offering in our specific deal.

Exactly, all very key in all of this, and it's amazing how few people know about it and are discussing it.

yeah i think the most irresponsible thing is how espn has never mentioned it as far as i know. they keep treating the deal as talent for talent and melo's $$, what about the nuggets $$ ??

[god shammgod]

Max Kellerman is going to be on 1050 at 10:30. I know that has nothing to do with Melo, but he's good.

Ok now onto Knicks related stuff from Bucher:
- Bucher says the game last time influenced the Melo talks. Didn't specify but sounded like they were out.
- Bucher saying the Knicks matter and a lock to make the playoffs.

what game ? lakers ? who's out ?

the knicks matter ? to who, i'm missing something here.

[Demyze]

I think we gotta do whatever we can to try to make the deal happen, this dude is special, look at his last 7 games scoring 37+ points. An opportunity like this doesn't come around very much if not at all. I just hope we land him, after Lebron and Cliff Lee i don't know if i can take anymore disappointment as a sports fan.

[AllanHoustonFan]

I still say Melo will be a Knick by thread 18

[Huey Freeman]

- Bucher says the proposal out there for new CBA is 11 million max per year.

It's just a proposal but even if that ridiculous number comes to pass Melo will be "grand-fathered" in. I see the number of years being cut before salary is that drastically cut.