Around the NBA part 2

[21shumpshumpst]

Im going to spam this thread with NBA stuff, not related to Jeremy Lin or Danilo Gallinari

Heres the first thing:

“Those guys on the Clippers team,” Howard said, “they really enjoy each other off the court and it shows.”

And what about the Lakers?

“We have to play like we like each other,” Howard said. “Even if we don’t want to be friends off the court, whatever that may be, when we step in between the lines or we step in the locker room or the gym, we have to respect each other and what we bring to the table.”

“It really starts off the court,” Howard argued. “I think you have to have that relationship and that chemistry off the court for it to really blossom on the court. Those guys on the Clippers team. They really enjoy each other off the court and it shows.”

Shots fired at Kobe.

[yaboynyp]

Im going to spam this thread with NBA stuff, not related to Jeremy Lin or Danilo Gallinari

Heres the first thing:

“Those guys on the Clippers team,” Howard said, “they really enjoy each other off the court and it shows.”

And what about the Lakers?

“We have to play like we like each other,” Howard said. “Even if we don’t want to be friends off the court, whatever that may be, when we step in between the lines or we step in the locker room or the gym, we have to respect each other and what we bring to the table.”

“It really starts off the court,” Howard argued. “I think you have to have that relationship and that chemistry off the court for it to really blossom on the court. Those guys on the Clippers team. They really enjoy each other off the court and it shows.”

Howard sounds clueless…lol

[yaboynyp]

Royce White should put a dick in his mouth and be done with it. He is just immature guy with anxiety issues. The problem with immaturity is they usually don't know/ are not aware they're immature. And his anxiety makes the immaturity seem off the chart/ paranoia territory because the problem with people playing victim is they blame everyone but themselves and don't know/ are not aware blaming is root of all problems for their own selves.

Yeah man he would be a much more sympathetic figure if he would just stop talking…

[Falstaffxx]

Name-dropping Gallinari and other posters doesn't mean much, but for that matter, if we had a choice today to add Gallinari for 3 years for $25 million of Dolan's money, I'd gladly take him back. He's a pretty good player all-in-all - and Lin is probably a more valuable player than Gallinari.

I'm sorry people liking Lin after he did spectacular things for the Knicks last year makes you so mad...

Apple to Oranges. Gallo as much as people overrated him we knew what he was. He was with us for 3 years and we knew he was a streaky above average role player. It was not a 20 odd game sample of good games and abysmal games with no other seasons to go by.

I would gladly pay money for a known quantity. Not an unknown who I didn't think was a championship pg due to his shaky handles and high turnovers.

Lin has done nothing in this league. He is a 2 week phenom who fell back to earth afterwards (hi Miami game).

He is having an up and down season. We have yet to see what he does in the playoffs when teams actually have game plans for other teams and the intensity ramps up.

So I would think all this Lin circle jerks are a bit premature. Let the kid do something before you make him out to be the next CP3.

No sh-- it's apples to oranges. You're the one name dropping Gallinari repeatedly in Lin discussions for some reason.

[21shumpshumpst]

Name-dropping Gallinari and other posters doesn't mean much, but for that matter, if we had a choice today to add Gallinari for 3 years for $25 million of Dolan's money, I'd gladly take him back. He's a pretty good player all-in-all - and Lin is probably a more valuable player than Gallinari.

I'm sorry people liking Lin after he did spectacular things for the Knicks last year makes you so mad...

Apple to Oranges. Gallo as much as people overrated him we knew what he was. He was with us for 3 years and we knew he was a streaky above average role player. It was not a 20 odd game sample of good games and abysmal games with no other seasons to go by.

I would gladly pay money for a known quantity. Not an unknown who I didn't think was a championship pg due to his shaky handles and high turnovers.

Lin has done nothing in this league. He is a 2 week phenom who fell back to earth afterwards (hi Miami game).

He is having an up and down season. We have yet to see what he does in the playoffs when teams actually have game plans for other teams and the intensity ramps up.

So I would think all this Lin circle jerks are a bit premature. Let the kid do something before you make him out to be the next CP3.

No sh-- it's apples to oranges. You're the one name dropping Gallinari repeatedly in Lin discussions for some reason.

No I am talking about you bringing up the contract the Knicks declined for Lin to the hypothetical contract you said you would have signed for Gallo.

That is apple to oranges NOT what I said about the fact that both Gallo and Lin homers on this board circle jerk over slight above average role players just because they like him and leave all objectivity out the door. You guys sound almost exactly alike "omg gallo/lin is the heart and soul of that team. Gallo/lin is such a team player unlike Melo. Galo/lin are such ball movers. Gallo/lin are young studs and we don't know their ceiling yet." Get it now?

[Thugger HBC]

Im going to spam this thread with NBA stuff, not related to Jeremy Lin or Danilo Gallinari

Heres the first thing:

“Those guys on the Clippers team,” Howard said, “they really enjoy each other off the court and it shows.”

And what about the Lakers?

“We have to play like we like each other,” Howard said. “Even if we don’t want to be friends off the court, whatever that may be, when we step in between the lines or we step in the locker room or the gym, we have to respect each other and what we bring to the table.”

“It really starts off the court,” Howard argued. “I think you have to have that relationship and that chemistry off the court for it to really blossom on the court. Those guys on the Clippers team. They really enjoy each other off the court and it shows.”

Howard sounds clueless…lol

He really is, it all comes down to talent 9/10.

You don't have to be friends to win, that is the dumbest thing i've ever heard.

[Falstaffxx]

No sh-- it's apples to oranges. You're the one name dropping Gallinari repeatedly in Lin discussions for some reason.

No I am talking about you bringing up the contract the Knicks declined for Lin to the hypothetical contract you said you would have signed for Gallo.

That is apple to oranges NOT what I said about the fact that both Gallo and Lin homers on this board circle jerk over slight above average role players just because they like him and leave all objectivity out the door. You guys sound almost exactly alike "omg gallo/lin is the heart and soul of that team. Gallo/lin is such a team player unlike Melo. Galo/lin are such ball movers. Gallo/lin are young studs and we don't know their ceiling yet." Get it now?

Either it's apples to oranges or it isn't. I think your repeatedly bringing up Gallinari in these discussions is pointless and petty, but if you insist upon bringing up another player you think the fanbase had too much affection for as if it has some bearing on Lin, then you're going to have to discuss that player in the context of Lin's situation. For all the disappointment surrounding Gallinari's failure to reach the next level as a player, if he had been in the same contractual situation as Lin at the same stage of his career, signing him to the same deal would still have been the right move. Is this a dumb comparison? Yup...but it's yours, not mine.

[21shumpshumpst]

No sh-- it's apples to oranges. You're the one name dropping Gallinari repeatedly in Lin discussions for some reason.

No I am talking about you bringing up the contract the Knicks declined for Lin to the hypothetical contract you said you would have signed for Gallo.

That is apple to oranges NOT what I said about the fact that both Gallo and Lin homers on this board circle jerk over slight above average role players just because they like him and leave all objectivity out the door. You guys sound almost exactly alike "omg gallo/lin is the heart and soul of that team. Gallo/lin is such a team player unlike Melo. Galo/lin are such ball movers. Gallo/lin are young studs and we don't know their ceiling yet." Get it now?

Either it's apples to oranges or it isn't. I think your repeatedly bringing up Gallinari in these discussions is pointless and petty, but if you insist upon bringing up another player you think the fanbase had too much affection for as if it has some bearing on Lin, then you're going to have to discuss that player in the context of Lin's situation. For all the disappoint surrounding Gallinari's failure to reach the next level as a player, if he had been in the same contractual situation as Lin at the same stage of his career, signing him to the same deal would still have been the right move. Is this a dumb comparison? Yup...but it's yours, not mine.

Nope not letting you get away with that. There are aspects of things that are ridiculous to compare like the signing of a guy after 20 games vs the signing of a guy after 3 years. Then there are things like how a player is perceived by a certain fanbase that is irrelevant of how long said player has played. If you can't see the huge difference then I can't help you. I have not said anywhere else that Gallo's career is similar to Lin other then the undeserved adulation both got by Knicks fans early in their career.

Also, signing any player to a huge amount of money after a 20 game sample size is ridiculous whether its Lin/Gallo/whoever. Especially when those games have stinkers and great games.

We see this to a larger extent with players who for their whole careers are average then magically during their contract year they go above the mean and start playing like all stars (hi Roy hibbert). Every year we see moron gms make this mistake.

Again everyone here is giving Lin a bit too much credit for Houston's success when really if you want to call a spade a spade its Harden who should get 99% of the adulation. The Harden trade was the best thing to happen to Lin as it took away all the burden of that big contract and shifted the focus to Harden. Lin lucked out.

[Falstaffxx]

No I am talking about you bringing up the contract the Knicks declined for Lin to the hypothetical contract you said you would have signed for Gallo.

That is apple to oranges NOT what I said about the fact that both Gallo and Lin homers on this board circle jerk over slight above average role players just because they like him and leave all objectivity out the door. You guys sound almost exactly alike "omg gallo/lin is the heart and soul of that team. Gallo/lin is such a team player unlike Melo. Galo/lin are such ball movers. Gallo/lin are young studs and we don't know their ceiling yet." Get it now?

Either it's apples to oranges or it isn't. I think your repeatedly bringing up Gallinari in these discussions is pointless and petty, but if you insist upon bringing up another player you think the fanbase had too much affection for as if it has some bearing on Lin, then you're going to have to discuss that player in the context of Lin's situation. For all the disappoint surrounding Gallinari's failure to reach the next level as a player, if he had been in the same contractual situation as Lin at the same stage of his career, signing him to the same deal would still have been the right move. Is this a dumb comparison? Yup...but it's yours, not mine.

There are aspects of things that are ridiculous to compare like the signing of a guy after 20 games vs the signing of a guy after 3 years.

Dude, Gallinari was never in a situation where we had to decide whether to keep him or let him walk for nothing. He was traded away. The only context in which it makes any sense to compare them is if you imagine a fantasy scenario in which Gallinari was for some reason in the same situation as Lin after a very small sample size...and I don't know why we'd want to have a discussion based upon that fantasy scenario, so let's drop it.

I cut out the rest of your post because it's just a miscellaneous selection of your normal Lin-related remarks which you make every time he gets brought up.

[21shumpshumpst]

There are aspects of things that are ridiculous to compare like the signing of a guy after 20 games vs the signing of a guy after 3 years.

Dude, Gallinari was never in a situation where we had to decide whether to keep him or let him walk for nothing. He was traded away. The only context in which it makes any sense to compare them is if you imagine a fantasy scenario in which Gallinari was for some reason in the same situation as Lin after a very small sample size...and I don't know why we'd want to have a discussion based upon that fantasy scenario, so let's drop it.

I cut out the rest of your post because it's just a miscellaneous selection of your normal Lin-related remarks which you make every time he gets brought up.

You are obviously not getting this. I have NOT ONCE made any comparison of Gallo and Lin when it comes to their contract situation. NONE AT ALL. You were the one that brought it up. I said it was apple to oranges then you went on a tangent trying to act as if I brought it up in the first place when I DIDN'T.

The only thing I compared Gallo and Lin were not the players but THEIR FANBASES. Who undeservedly put these guys on a pedestal as if they were perennial all stars and tearing down or downplaying other players (Harden/Melo). Also I compared how both fanbases make it out as if those two are the only ones who are "ball movers, team players, high bball iq" players. When there are ton of young players that are more deserving of those adjectives.

[Thugger HBC]

This is how Gallo came up in the convo.......

That's why I love you guys...the script never changes.

I can't literally predict who will post depending what statline Lin puts up.

But anyways, I miss David Lee, that damn Walsh could have gotten us more for that guy.

For every good game, there's a bad game. The bottom line is that the averages are not changing.

He's a 12/6 guy right now and he'll be a 12/6 guy at the end of the season, but for some reason people talk about him as if he was a 20/10 guy.

Lin is a nice guy, but some people become completely irrational when his name comes up. [b]I hopes it dies down like it did with Gallo.[/b]

I gotta wait two years? Damn.

[Falstaffxx]

There are aspects of things that are ridiculous to compare like the signing of a guy after 20 games vs the signing of a guy after 3 years.

Dude, Gallinari was never in a situation where we had to decide whether to keep him or let him walk for nothing. He was traded away. The only context in which it makes any sense to compare them is if you imagine a fantasy scenario in which Gallinari was for some reason in the same situation as Lin after a very small sample size...and I don't know why we'd want to have a discussion based upon that fantasy scenario, so let's drop it.

I cut out the rest of your post because it's just a miscellaneous selection of your normal Lin-related remarks which you make every time he gets brought up.

You are obviously not getting this. I have NOT ONCE made any comparison of Gallo and Lin when it comes to their contract situation. NONE AT ALL. You were the one that brought it up. I said it was apple to oranges then you went on a tangent trying to act as if I brought it up in the first place when I DIDN'T.

The only thing I compared Gallo and Lin were not the players but THEIR FANBASES. Who undeservedly put these guys on a pedestal as if they were perennial all stars and tearing down or downplaying other players (Harden/Melo). Also I compared how both fanbases make it out as if those two are the only ones who are "ball movers, team players, high bball iq" players. When there are ton of young players that are more deserving of those adjectives.

Sorry for making the mistake of thinking that you were bringing up Gallinari for some other reason than to attack categories of fans that you have in your mind.

You do this rant about "putting Lin on pedestal" etc. over and over. Fact is, no matter how annoyed you are at a joint Gallinari-Lin fanbase which you think exists, Lin is still a good player and was awesome last year.

I have to say, I think this stuff about people "downplaying Harden" is just something you're making up. I've seen people question how the Rockets were using Harden and Lin together, not questioning Harden as a player. If anything, those who are following Lin with interest have generally been very complimentary of Harden.

[j4remi]

In other discussions...Fantasy guys...what the hell do I do with Roy Hibbert. He's been awful - not very good all season and I already have Nene, Vucevic and Asik to bolster my numbers. I legitimately contemplated dropping Hibbert for Blatche after Humphries went down holding his ankle.

What does your team look like? Is this a keeper league?

Get rid of him. I am sure you can pawn him off to someone who just thinks of names or potential.

Don't drop him though. Trade him. Unless there is a stud on waivers. Maybe even drop him for Granger if you can't get a good deal and if Granger is on the waiver wire.

Not a keeper league. I have the bigs above to go along with Westbrook, Iguodala, Steph Curry, Bosh, Faried, JR Smith and some weaker pieces like Hayward, Salmons and Hill.

I missed out on scooping up Bynum and dropping Hibbert. Bogut and Granger are still available but Granger's not gonna be healthy until February and I can't survive that long going a man short. I do have some breathing room though, my team is 5 points ahead of the next opponent (there's only 9 total categories to win each week, so 5 points basically gives me a week's worth of leeway).

I'm also thinking of dropping Hill for Brooks...Brooks with a new coach should get a lot more opportunity and the kid can flat out ball.

[21shumpshumpst]

In other discussions...Fantasy guys...what the hell do I do with Roy Hibbert. He's been awful - not very good all season and I already have Nene, Vucevic and Asik to bolster my numbers. I legitimately contemplated dropping Hibbert for Blatche after Humphries went down holding his ankle.

What does your team look like? Is this a keeper league?

Get rid of him. I am sure you can pawn him off to someone who just thinks of names or potential.

Don't drop him though. Trade him. Unless there is a stud on waivers. Maybe even drop him for Granger if you can't get a good deal and if Granger is on the waiver wire.

Not a keeper league. I have the bigs above to go along with Westbrook, Iguodala, Steph Curry, Bosh, Faried, JR Smith and some weaker pieces like Hayward, Salmons and Hill.

I missed out on scooping up Bynum and dropping Hibbert. Bogut and Granger are still available but Granger's not gonna be healthy until February and I can't survive that long going a man short. I do have some breathing room though, my team is 5 points ahead of the next opponent (there's only 9 total categories to win each week, so 5 points basically gives me a week's worth of leeway).

I'm also thinking of dropping Hill for Brooks...Brooks with a new coach should get a lot more opportunity and the kid can flat out ball.

If you can't stand dropping him for Granger just keep him. Blatche is hit and miss.

[Pharmcat]

dirk questions mavs

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/_/i ... build-hope

chances they trade him?

[Thugger HBC]

dirk questions mavs

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/_/i ... build-hope

chances they trade him?

Did you read this part?

"Maybe Cuban has something up his sleeve. Maybe you have to take a chance on a bad contract to get him in here and make something happen. I mean, I don't know. That's something we'll have to see this summer. We're going to play out this season. I'm going to get better and better, hopefully from game to game, so I can actually close out some of these games. And then we'll see what happens."

And for the record I seriously doubt dirk gets traded, unless he actually asks to be, but his openness in this is startling because he has voiced it before.

My mom always said "If you're really mad, you'll do something about it".

[Pharmcat]

dirk questions mavs

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/_/i ... build-hope

chances they trade him?

Did you read this part?

"Maybe Cuban has something up his sleeve. Maybe you have to take a chance on a bad contract to get him in here and make something happen. I mean, I don't know. That's something we'll have to see this summer. We're going to play out this season. I'm going to get better and better, hopefully from game to game, so I can actually close out some of these games. And then we'll see what happens."

And for the record I seriously doubt dirk gets traded, unless he actually asks to be, but his openness in this is startling because he has voiced it before.

My mom always said "If you're really mad, you'll do something about it".

is he asking for gay?

[Knicker23]

Just saw how Woj said Grizz don't believe they're good enough to compete in West and are shopping Gay / others accordingly in effort to make goal getting under the cap. Which is too bad. 20 and 10 in the West is a damn good team. And with their scrappiness, I don't really understand it. I can see trading Gay for a better fit or something, but they have a good team over there.

[Thugger HBC]

dirk questions mavs

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/_/i ... build-hope

chances they trade him?

Did you read this part?

"Maybe Cuban has something up his sleeve. Maybe you have to take a chance on a bad contract to get him in here and make something happen. I mean, I don't know. That's something we'll have to see this summer. We're going to play out this season. I'm going to get better and better, hopefully from game to game, so I can actually close out some of these games. And then we'll see what happens."

And for the record I seriously doubt dirk gets traded, unless he actually asks to be, but his openness in this is startling because he has voiced it before.

My mom always said "If you're really mad, you'll do something about it".

is he asking for gay?

Might be especially since he is on the block, but i found it interesting Dirk is admitting someone in the league has a bad contract.

Players rarely do that, and if they do make a move, that player will be like " this dude said my contract is bad".

[Pharmcat]

Just saw how Woj said Grizz don't believe they're good enough to compete in West and are shopping Gay / others accordingly in effort to make goal getting under the cap. Which is too bad. 20 and 10 in the West is a damn good team. And with their scrappiness, I don't really understand it. I can see trading Gay for a better fit or something, but they have a good team over there.

link?