FA/Trade Rumors & Discussion - Durant, Kyrie, AD, etc

[F N 11]

You get Zion and stand pat. Forget about AD. Besides. If we could get him he’d already be here.


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Hypothetical: Kyrie and Durant are ready to come here but only if we trade Zion for AD. Would you do it?

I had to think about that hard. I wouldn’t do it. That might be the wrong decision too. But I’m thinking long term.


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When KD too old Zion and Knox will still be babies and be next up. Im not doing it. IDC if Kyrie and AD close in age.

[thebuzzardman]

Good sign! Lets get this man to LA!

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Good for them. Hey, to take up the "Greenie point" that "all the players shouldn't be loyal and go for theirs", well, it's a two way street, and when players are looking to force their way out of contracts THEY signed, then kudos for the FO for saying "hold the phone there, big fella. We've got some trades we are looking at and we are NOT going to risk you getting hurt."

And honestly, even if those trade offers were lukewarm (and it seems they are not), good on them for doing it anyway, just to say "hey, you don't call every single shot here. You wanted out when you want it, now we want to do some things when WE want to"

[F N 11]

Kyrie
KD
AD

is unstoppable for sure. However. Zion, Knox, Mitch, and future picks is way better than having AD idc.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Good sign! Lets get this man to LA!

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Good for them. Hey, to take up the "Greenie point" that "all the players shouldn't be loyal and go for theirs", well, it's a two way street, and when players are looking to force their way out of contracts THEY signed, then kudos for the FO for saying "hold the phone there, big fella. We've got some trades we are looking at and we are NOT going to risk you getting hurt."

And honestly, even if those trade offers were lukewarm (and it seems they are not), good on them for doing it anyway, just to say "hey, you don't call every single shot here. You wanted out when you want it, now we want to do some things when WE want to"

these actions lend themselves to a lot of DNP-CD. or, now, DNP-FOD. this is new territory. i wonder what the league office is thinking right now.

[Stannis]

How are those two related? New Orleans controls whether or not we get AD now. KD and Kyrie get to decide what they want to do in free agency, they don't need permission from their teams to leave. I think the two are unrelated.

Correct me if I'm wrong... but if the Knicks trade for AD now (and get him), KD and Kyrie cannot sign the max here.

So if Mills/Perry were confident in KD + Kyrie joining in the summer, the obvious thing to do would be trade for AD after that.

Maybe I am misunderstanding what you are saying, but you mean why would they try to get AD now if it means they can't sign both KD and Kyrie, which they seem confident in. Meaning, they can't be confident in getting KD and Kyrie together if they are going after AD now?

Correct.

[thebuzzardman]

All this "Zion this, and Zion that" and "AD this and AD that"

Let's be real for a moment. The Knicks chances of getting Zion in this new draft format are long. Pretty damn long. Just about as long as being that team with the 5th or 6th worst record but "might" get the lotto pick, in prior drafts. I'm sure someone will explain it more clearly just exactly where it if this was last year, but it's not. It's not when the Knicks would have had the worst record, best shot at #1, but not definitively chance at the #1 pick, but if in the top 3 worst, could fall no further than 4th.

And it doesn't feel like current management, correctly I might add, feels like the group to gut, eviscerate, purge...word you want to use...the team for AD.

Hey Zion! C'mon. It's a long shot.
Hey AD! C'mon. It would be KD, Kyrie, AD and a cast of bums, with no picks every other year over the next 6 years. No thanks.

Seriously.

[SelbyCobra]

NO is looking for a record haul of picks... look who just acquired 2 first round picks. I’m sure that we’re in the market for more as well.

Would you guys trade:

2019 1st - no protection
2-2021 1st - no protection
2-2023 1st - no protection
Kanter
Knox

For

AD

Yes.
New Orleans says no, though.

4 unprotected 1sts, including one that's guaranteed to be at the top of the draft this year, and a 5th that's top-10 protected in 2023?

The only reason Demps doesn't take that quickly is because he passed out from the head rush when it was presented.

[thebuzzardman]

NO is looking for a record haul of picks... look who just acquired 2 first round picks. I’m sure that we’re in the market for more as well.

Would you guys trade:

2019 1st - no protection
2-2021 1st - no protection
2-2023 1st - no protection
Kanter
Knox

For

AD

Yes.
New Orleans says no, though.

4 unprotected 1sts, including one that's guaranteed to be at the top of the draft this year, and a 5th that's top-10 protected in 2023?

The only reason Demps doesn't take that quickly is because he passed out from the head rush when it was presented.

LA's offer has all those picks (or so says reports of what NO is asking for), more young players AND cap relief, and the exact destination AD's agent is steering him.

Nope. That doesn't get it done.

[SelbyCobra]

Yes.
New Orleans says no, though.

4 unprotected 1sts, including one that's guaranteed to be at the top of the draft this year, and a 5th that's top-10 protected in 2023?

The only reason Demps doesn't take that quickly is because he passed out from the head rush when it was presented.

LA's offer has all those picks (or so says reports of what NO is asking for), more young players AND cap relief, and the exact destination AD's agent is steering him.

Nope. That doesn't get it done.

Did the report say the picks were unprotected?

[shtolky]

Correct me if I'm wrong... but if the Knicks trade for AD now (and get him), KD and Kyrie cannot sign the max here.

So if Mills/Perry were confident in KD + Kyrie joining in the summer, the obvious thing to do would be trade for AD after that.

Maybe I am misunderstanding what you are saying, but you mean why would they try to get AD now if it means they can't sign both KD and Kyrie, which they seem confident in. Meaning, they can't be confident in getting KD and Kyrie together if they are going after AD now?

Correct.

My thought is the idea of getting all 3 is and was a pipe dream. KD is the one I truly feel we already have a wink wink with. Kyrie or AD would be the second guy. We tried to deal for AD using KP and the primary option, which was declined. If that deal went through, you can sign KD and have the two superstar duo. Once New Orleans rejected the KP offer, I think we went with the second best option which was the Mavs deal. I think the AD stuff is only slightly connected to the KD/Kyrie stuff. I think the team feels they just needed to either have the second star in place for KD (AD for KP), or create two max slots so Kyrie (or I guess Kawhi) could join KD. That's why I think the two are slightly unrelated. I've been saying that I think KD comes here for months. He's always been the key.

[RShahNyC89]

Unfortunately for us, the only way to make any trade for AD work (if we wanted to make a big three at least) would be to include everyone except Dot/Mitch. That's the only way the money would work...

I'd almost rather hold onto the pick and the young talent as depth as see if Kyrie/KD can't teach them how to close games.

[thebuzzardman]

Kyrie
KD
AD

is unstoppable for sure. However. Zion, Knox, Mitch, and future picks is way better than having AD idc.

Great team. Just pointing out it would be those 3 guys, a bum squad from 4-12, as the Knicks would be left with no cap room and assets, and also, the team would be bereft of young players and talent to upgrade during the 4/5 years that group is together, plus after 4 years, when it's time to do a reset, team is sort of not well stocked with young players and picks.

But other than that, it looks great.

Unless some or all of these guys are looking at massive pay cuts, plus the fact that none of them are homegrown players, but all are fairly maxed out in terms of salary, just really don't see a big 3 forming on the Knicks. Unless one is Zion, just based on the reality of cost, wild ESPN scenarios aside where the Knicks renounce anyone they aren't trading to the Pelicans.

Wish the AD on top of KD & Kyrie speculation would just die already.

[thebuzzardman]

4 unprotected 1sts, including one that's guaranteed to be at the top of the draft this year, and a 5th that's top-10 protected in 2023?

The only reason Demps doesn't take that quickly is because he passed out from the head rush when it was presented.

LA's offer has all those picks (or so says reports of what NO is asking for), more young players AND cap relief, and the exact destination AD's agent is steering him.

Nope. That doesn't get it done.

Did the report say the picks were unprotected?

Who cares? The Lakers are offer more players than that scenario. And less picks currently, but then NO counters with "we want 4 picks". I'd assume from the Lakers. Or, they want picks and cap relief and Knicks can't offer that. Unless they pony up more players and take back that bum dude NO's keeps floating. Then that hurts the reality of all 3 Max Cats, as AD + bum dude take up too much space.

Sure, I'd like AD on the Knicks. It either eviscerates the team and their assets, or Knicks don't have enough to compete with an LA team being co-GM'd by Lebron willing to mortgage it's 5 year future.

[3toheadmelo]

low key I wanna do this and build a team for the long term

DSJ
Scottie Lewis
Knox
Zion
Mitch

[Richard4444]

Hypothetical: Kyrie and Durant are ready to come here but only if we trade Zion for AD. Would you do it?

It is an impossible scenario.

We only can trade zion after 30 days of his rookie signing, after the free agency.

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No we could trade him after drafting him and before signing him.

Ok. But that counts as salary? Its essential to use the 10M Zions salary to match ADs salary.

[RShahNyC89]

Kyrie
Dot
KD
AD
Mitch

+ Tax payer exception, + minimum contract vets

or

Kyrie/DSJr
Frank/Dot/Trier
KD/Knox
Zion
Mitch

+ tax payer exception, + minimum contract vets


Honestly, I think the depth advantage and the injury risk advantage goes to the latter.

[DaGawd]

low key I wanna do this and build a team for the long term

DSJ
Scottie Lewis
Knox
Zion
Mitch

If we miss out on top tier talent this should be the goal. Stay young and continue building thru the draft. I do not want to hand out multi year contracts to the likes of Kemba, Tobias, Middleton etc..

[NYF13]

Anthony Davis will be traded to Knicks prior to this year's Trade Deadline. BOOK IT! This has been too quiet on NYK's front

AD for picks -
(1). 2019 1st Rnd / KNOX
(2). 2021 NYK 1st Rnd,
(3 and 4). DAL 2 1st Rnd picks,
PLUS CHA TWO 2nd RND PICKS
PLUS DSJr.
PLUS TRIER

Any thought(s)?

[shtolky]

low key I wanna do this and build a team for the long term

DSJ
Scottie Lewis
Knox
Zion
Mitch

If we miss out on top tier talent this should be the goal. Stay young and continue building thru the draft. I do not want to hand out multi year contracts to the likes of Kemba, Tobias, Middleton etc..

I don't understand people who say if we don't get KD/Kyrie then this trade was a huge bust, as if we HAVE to sign guys like Kemba/Middleton/Tobias if we whiff on the superstars. We can just draft BPA, sign guys to 1 year deals, preserve the cap space, and develop the young players. The trade success is surely partly tied to this years FA class, but by no means is that the end all be all. Given Perry's (short) track record here, I can't see us signing anyone this offseason not named Kevin, Kyrie, Kawhi, or Klay. Just do as you said, stay young and build through the draft. That's what flexibility allows...options.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Kyrie
KD
AD

is unstoppable for sure. However. Zion, Knox, Mitch, and future picks is way better than having AD idc.

Great team. Just pointing out it would be those 3 guys, a bum squad from 4-12, as the Knicks would be left with no cap room and assets, and also, the team would be bereft of young players and talent to upgrade during the 4/5 years that group is together, plus after 4 years, when it's time to do a reset, team is sort of not well stocked with young players and picks.

But other than that, it looks great.

i mean, miami went to 4 straight finals and won two of them with a big three and surrounding bum squad. just need the right bums to play the right roles.

and even if the knicks traded 4 firsts, they would have some on in-between years. and we have 7 in the next 5 years. at worst we'd still be left with 3. i think the key here is that the knicks were able to restock the cupboard before george bushing the button.

not trading for AD does lead to more sustainability. and i'd be fine with that too. problem is, you're not really looking to develop hardcore in that 4-5 year contention window you've created. so while it's good to add cheap talent, you'd have to be really lucky you're drafting players who are ready to fall in line with a winner and contribute. (i don't think that's impossible.)