Around the NBA - Offseason Chatter

[Capn'O]

I'm not concerned about FA classes. Players move when they want to move now, and often get their contract first.

Yes, exactly. That's why we need trade capital and to not be horrible. But, you know, maybe wait until next year for that second part.

[Oscirus]

In this miracle world where we're trading rj trash and picks for a mvp on a 3 year contract, we're not even taking on one of their bad contracts?

[DowNY]

WTF are the Clippers thinking?

Wow

Saving their behinds. Was possible that both PG & Kawhi could leave after the season and Clippers would’ve been left with nothing. Now they at least secure the person they traded SGA & picks for

Classic throwing good money after bad move. They want to save face maybe because they got jobbed on that deal, but this is a glaring mistake. Better to let him walk than to be carrying around a $40M+ contract for 4 years. It's ridiculous. He wasn't even a $20M player last year IMO. They'll regret this

I hear ya but again, they were kinda forced Yo do this. This what happens when you trade all your assets for win now players. I agree the deal will be horrible in the long term but what are they supposed to do? Risk losing both PG & Kawhi then build around Luke Kennard with no draft picks ?

[Fat Kat]

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[Capn'O]

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Easy misunderstanding. Giannis gave a note saying "Trade for JH or else."

[Synciere]

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At least we know we will strikeout on 2021 free agency since their won’t be anyone left to sign

Yeah it’s definitely time to pivot to the trade market at this point.

[Chanel Bomber]

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At least we know we will strikeout on 2021 free agency since their won’t be anyone left to sign

Yeah it’s definitely time to pivot to the trade market at this point.

Passing on competent guards who would've complemented RJ and Mitch in free agency for empty cap flexibility was a mistake.

The 2021 class is really thin, especially at the guard spots. That means we'll now have to part with real assets to get guards who can legitimately shoot the ball, which I don't think is smart.

We should've overpaid for one (or two) of Brogdon, Russell, Bogdanovic or VanFleet the past two off-seasons. That would've put our young guys in a better position to succeed. No max cat was coming here before their contracts expired anyway.

[Synciere]

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At least we know we will strikeout on 2021 free agency since their won’t be anyone left to sign

Yeah it’s definitely time to pivot to the trade market at this point.

Passing on competent guards who would've complemented RJ and Mitch in free agency for empty cap flexibility was a mistake.

The 2021 class is really thin, especially at the guard spots. That means we'll now have to part with real assets to get guards who can legitimately shoot the ball, which I don't think is smart.

We should've overpaid for one (or two) of Brogdon, Russell, Bogdanovic or VanFleet the past two off-seasons. That would've put our young guys in a better position to succeed. No max cat was coming here before their contracts expired anyway.

While I agree in principle, I wouldn’t have overpaid for anyone. VanVleet feels like an overpay. The rest maybe not. That said, I do think we should be trying to get better every year rather than waiting for these max guys who won’t come because we don’t have a good enough team for them to win. I also want to jump into the trade market simply because there will be players who are better than free agents. If Wall, Westbrook, Paul, or Harden had been free agents they would’ve been no less than top 3 in this free agency class. We need to stop limiting ourselves in terms of our improvement. Use every Avenue.

[Chanel Bomber]

Yeah it’s definitely time to pivot to the trade market at this point.

Passing on competent guards who would've complemented RJ and Mitch in free agency for empty cap flexibility was a mistake.

The 2021 class is really thin, especially at the guard spots. That means we'll now have to part with real assets to get guards who can legitimately shoot the ball, which I don't think is smart.

We should've overpaid for one (or two) of Brogdon, Russell, Bogdanovic or VanFleet the past two off-seasons. That would've put our young guys in a better position to succeed. No max cat was coming here before their contracts expired anyway.

While I agree in principle, I wouldn’t have overpaid for anyone. VanVleet feels like an overpay. The rest maybe not. That said, I do think we should be trying to get better every year rather than waiting for these max guys who won’t come because we don’t have a good enough team for them to win. I also want to jump into the trade market simply because there will be players who are better than free agents. If Wall, Westbrook, Paul, or Harden had been free agents they would’ve been no less than top 3 in this free agency class. We need to stop limiting ourselves in terms of our improvement. Use every Avenue.

You inevitably overpay in free agency, unless you sign an All-NBA player to a max contract or an insignificant player to a cheap contract (like Alec Burks, who was a bargain). Overpaying comes with the territory in free agency.

What's the risk of overpaying FVV? You lose some cap flexibility, but what were you going to do with that cap flexibility the next 3-4 years anyway? Sign a max free agent? I don't think so. If a slight overpay is the difference between having a competent guard and Elfrid Payton stunting the growth of our young guys for $5 million, then I'd rather overpay.

I agree we need to explore the trade market, but then you have to be willing to part with assets, which I think is a bigger loss than a piece of cap flexibility that wasn't gonna be used to sign any significant FA anyway. We don't even know the real value of our assets because they've always been put in a position to fail with these short-term FA signings that look like bargains but really hurt the more important developmental aspect of team-building.

[KnicksGadfly]

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Easy misunderstanding. Giannis gave a note saying "Trade for JH or else."

I don’t see the max contract signing though...I think the Bucks just assumed that Boggy would be coming, which made this trade more palatable. Think Giannis is gonna move on if they don’t win this year.

Also Bucks should have just kept Brogdon lol

[Chanel Bomber]

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Easy misunderstanding. Giannis gave a note saying "Trade for JH or else."

I don’t see the max contract signing though...I think the Bucks just assumed that Boggy would be coming, which made this trade more palatable. Think Giannis is gonna move on if they don’t win this year.

Also Bucks should have just kept Brogdon lol

If I'm Giannis, there's no way I trust the Bucks front office after they let Brogdon go for nothing and botched the Bogdanovic sign-and-trade the following year.

I want to see superstars stay in small markets but the Bucks are flat-out incompetent so I wouldn't blame him for leaving. I think he'll end up in Dallas, Toronto or Miami, or sign a 1+1 to give Milwaukee one last shot to right the ship.

[aq_ua]

Kris Middleton + Jrue Holiday + Donte D + future FRPs for Harden + Gordon? I’m not sure that makes either team better, but maybe that’s something that gets explored in Feb?

[god shammgod]

i hope my nets get him

[Jalen Bluntson]

i hope my nets get him

STFU AND GTFO!!

[Synciere]

Passing on competent guards who would've complemented RJ and Mitch in free agency for empty cap flexibility was a mistake.

The 2021 class is really thin, especially at the guard spots. That means we'll now have to part with real assets to get guards who can legitimately shoot the ball, which I don't think is smart.

We should've overpaid for one (or two) of Brogdon, Russell, Bogdanovic or VanFleet the past two off-seasons. That would've put our young guys in a better position to succeed. No max cat was coming here before their contracts expired anyway.

While I agree in principle, I wouldn’t have overpaid for anyone. VanVleet feels like an overpay. The rest maybe not. That said, I do think we should be trying to get better every year rather than waiting for these max guys who won’t come because we don’t have a good enough team for them to win. I also want to jump into the trade market simply because there will be players who are better than free agents. If Wall, Westbrook, Paul, or Harden had been free agents they would’ve been no less than top 3 in this free agency class. We need to stop limiting ourselves in terms of our improvement. Use every Avenue.

You inevitably overpay in free agency, unless you sign an All-NBA player to a max contract or an insignificant player to a cheap contract (like Alec Burks, who was a bargain). Overpaying comes with the territory in free agency.

What's the risk of overpaying FVV? You lose some cap flexibility, but what were you going to do with that cap flexibility the next 3-4 years anyway? Sign a max free agent? I don't think so. If a slight overpay is the difference between having a competent guard and Elfrid Payton stunting the growth of our young guys for $5 million, then I'd rather overpay.

I agree we need to explore the trade market, but then you have to be willing to part with assets, which I think is a bigger loss than a piece of cap flexibility that wasn't gonna be used to sign any significant FA anyway. We don't even know the real value of our assets because they've always been put in a position to fail with these short-term FA signings that look like bargains but really hurt the more important developmental aspect of team-building.

What's the risk in giving up late first round picks that'll most likely become Mardy Collins or Imam Shumpert or Renaldo Balkman? The easiest and best way to create a championship team is free agency. That means cap space is more valuable than late picks. A draft pick has it's highest value before the pick is made; once that pick is made it loses all of that value we fight so hard to protect. Understand, I'm not saying we should overpay in trade either, but at the end of the day you're shooting for elite, all nba type difference makers. I'll take the disgruntled star player asking out that considers us over overpaying Fred Van Vleet and holding out hope our 18th pick turns out to be a stud.

[Capn'O]

i hope my nets get him

Sir, this is the Blazers sub-forum.

[stuporman]

I say that all who are repping Nets colors on the Knicks forum get banned.....do it

[god shammgod]

I say that all who are repping Nets colors on the Knicks forum get banned.....do it

no

[Rasho Brezec]

Agreed, anyone not repping Knicks colors should be banned.