2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas

[spree2kawhi]

I'm holding out hope for a Randle + IQ for Zion deal... Zion + RJ + Brunson would be a nice trio to build around...

I don’t trust Zion to be healthy enough to compete for championships one day.

[cgf]

Another trade board idea from a Kings fan:


NY out - Fournier, 2 2nds
NY IN - Barnes

Sac out - Barnes, Mitchell, 2 2nds
Sac in - Collins

Utah out - Collins
Utah in - Fournier, Mitchell, 4 2nds


Post-trade Lineup:

Brunson | Quickley | McBride
Grimes | DiVincenzo
Barrett | Hart
Randle | Barnes
Robinson | Hartenstein | Sims

[sol537]

Randle + IQ + protected 1st for Zion

Randle for Isaac + Ingles (expiring)

Randle for Hayward + protected 1st

IQ for Herb Jones straight up

IQ + Fournier for OG (with promise to extend)

Any of these deals would be OK with me.

[Wildcat]

It's purely a salary/Randle dump in the hopes that we could clear cap for a free agency play for OG this off-season (since TOR isn't trading him to us any time soon). I'd rather OG than Jerami Grant at the same or comparable salary TBH.

But you are replacing a team engine (albeit flawed) with a role player (albeit elite). Addition by subtraction can only go so far imo.

OG in place of Randle could be the move before the “final” move. It would also open things up for everyone else to grow… similar to what we’re seeing in Philly once they dumped Harden. IMO of course. Randle is a net negative.

You're giving me "This isn't even my final form" vibes.

[HarthorneWingo]

Another trade board idea from a Kings fan:


NY out - Fournier, 2 2nds
NY IN - Barnes

Sac out - Barnes, Mitchell, 2 2nds
Sac in - Collins

Utah out - Collins
Utah in - Fournier, Mitchell, 4 2nds

Post-trade Lineup:

Brunson | Quickley | McBride
Grimes | DiVincenzo
Barrett | Hart
Randle | Barnes
Robinson | Hartenstein | Sims

Fournier and "Obi" for Harrison Barnes. Sign me up.

[HarthorneWingo]

I'm holding out hope for a Randle + IQ for Zion deal... Zion + RJ + Brunson would be a nice trio to build around...

I don’t trust Zion to be healthy enough to compete for championships one day.

I want to see 2 years of healthy Zion before I'd consider seeking to acquire him. When does he become a free agent?

[Knicksfan1992]

I'm holding out hope for a Randle + IQ for Zion deal... Zion + RJ + Brunson would be a nice trio to build around...

I don’t trust Zion to be healthy enough to compete for championships one day.

I want to see 2 years of healthy Zion before I'd consider seeking to acquire him. When does he become a free agent?

Problem is if we see 2 years of healthy Zion, then he is more than likely not getting traded unfortunately.

The only reason, as of now, that he would be available is because NOP doesn't trust his health/work ethic. If he turns that part of himself around they would be stupid to trade him tbh as long as he wants to be there.

[KNICKFAN374]

Randle + IQ + protected 1st for Zion

Randle for Isaac + Ingles (expiring)

Randle for Hayward + protected 1st

IQ for Herb Jones straight up

IQ + Fournier for OG (with promise to extend)

Any of these deals would be OK with me.

I'd rather keep IQ - he should be playing at least 28mpg; the way I see it, Grimes is the odd man out and IQ, DDV & Hart should get the roughly 20 mpg that Grimes is currently getting. I would look to package Grimes with RJ or Randle. The question is what can we get for that along with a couple of picks?

[HarthorneWingo]

I don’t trust Zion to be healthy enough to compete for championships one day.

I want to see 2 years of healthy Zion before I'd consider seeking to acquire him. When does he become a free agent?

Problem is if we see 2 years of healthy Zion, then he is more than likely not getting traded unfortunately.

The only reason, as of now, that he would be available is because NOP doesn't trust his health/work ethic. If he turns that part of himself around they would be stupid to trade him tbh as long as he wants to be there.

Is Zion available now?

[Jalen Bluntson]

I want to see 2 years of healthy Zion before I'd consider seeking to acquire him. When does he become a free agent?

Problem is if we see 2 years of healthy Zion, then he is more than likely not getting traded unfortunately.

The only reason, as of now, that he would be available is because NOP doesn't trust his health/work ethic. If he turns that part of himself around they would be stupid to trade him tbh as long as he wants to be there.

Is Zion available now?

No one is available right now except for Zach LaVine!

[Polk377]

Knicks don't need a major move. They need one more spark plug offensive player at the wing. Go get Bojan Bogdonovic. He is the perfect complimentary piece off the bench to go along with IQ. He is a flamethrower and what we thought Fournier was going to be.

[RHODEY]

Another trade board idea from a Kings fan:


NY out - Fournier, 2 2nds
NY IN - Barnes

Sac out - Barnes, Mitchell, 2 2nds
Sac in - Collins

Utah out - Collins
Utah in - Fournier, Mitchell, 4 2nds


Post-trade Lineup:

Brunson | Quickley | McBride
Grimes | DiVincenzo
Barrett | Hart
Randle | Barnes
Robinson | Hartenstein | Sims

Barnes is the middest of the mids.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Knicks don't need a major move. They need one more spark plug offensive player at the wing. Go get Bojan Bogdonovic. He is the perfect complimentary piece off the bench to go along with IQ. He is a flamethrower and what we thought Fournier was going to be.

Does he play defense?

[Polk377]

Knicks don't need a major move. They need one more spark plug offensive player at the wing. Go get Bojan Bogdonovic. He is the perfect complimentary piece off the bench to go along with IQ. He is a flamethrower and what we thought Fournier was going to be.

Does he play defense?

He plays enough to not be a liability and would allow Hart to slide back to SF off the bench instead of playing PF.

[Knicksfan1992]

Knicks don't need a major move. They need one more spark plug offensive player at the wing. Go get Bojan Bogdonovic. He is the perfect complimentary piece off the bench to go along with IQ. He is a flamethrower and what we thought Fournier was going to be.

Think it would be a good move for maximizing THIS roster, but giving up another 1st for a rental seems short sighted in my opinion. Especially, one that is 34 going on 35 this year and is having soft tissue injury issues to start the season. If they want Fournier and a couple 2nds or something like that, then maybe it makes a little more sense. But also how many minutes is he truly going to get here as long as Randle is still here? He's getting too old to guard 3's and Thibs never would run a Bojan/Randle 4/5 frontcourt.

Just seems like we'd be paying a premium for a guy who is destined to get at most 20 mpg.

[sol537]

Knicks don't need a major move. They need one more spark plug offensive player at the wing. Go get Bojan Bogdonovic. He is the perfect complimentary piece off the bench to go along with IQ. He is a flamethrower and what we thought Fournier was going to be.

Think it would be a good move for maximizing THIS roster, but giving up another 1st for a rental seems short sighted in my opinion. Especially, one that is 34 going on 35 this year and is having soft tissue injury issues to start the season. If they want Fournier and a couple 2nds or something like that, then maybe it makes a little more sense. But also how many minutes is he truly going to get here as long as Randle is still here? He's getting too old to guard 3's and Thibs never would run a Bojan/Randle 4/5 frontcourt.

Just seems like we'd be paying a premium for a guy who is destined to get at most 20 mpg.

Plus, his minutes would have to come from somewhere... 3 mins from Randle, 2 from Hart, 2 from DDV, 5 from Grimes, 2 from RJ... 12 mins available at most? Having too many guys leads to complaints and locker room chemistry issues.

[Polk377]

Knicks don't need a major move. They need one more spark plug offensive player at the wing. Go get Bojan Bogdonovic. He is the perfect complimentary piece off the bench to go along with IQ. He is a flamethrower and what we thought Fournier was going to be.

Think it would be a good move for maximizing THIS roster, but giving up another 1st for a rental seems short sighted in my opinion. Especially, one that is 34 going on 35 this year and is having soft tissue injury issues to start the season. If they want Fournier and a couple 2nds or something like that, then maybe it makes a little more sense. But also how many minutes is he truly going to get here as long as Randle is still here? He's getting too old to guard 3's and Thibs never would run a Bojan/Randle 4/5 frontcourt.

Just seems like we'd be paying a premium for a guy who is destined to get at most 20 mpg.

What Premium are they paying? They can trade Detroit Fournier, their own 1st and maybe a couple of future 2nds for him.

[Polk377]

Knicks don't need a major move. They need one more spark plug offensive player at the wing. Go get Bojan Bogdonovic. He is the perfect complimentary piece off the bench to go along with IQ. He is a flamethrower and what we thought Fournier was going to be.

Think it would be a good move for maximizing THIS roster, but giving up another 1st for a rental seems short sighted in my opinion. Especially, one that is 34 going on 35 this year and is having soft tissue injury issues to start the season. If they want Fournier and a couple 2nds or something like that, then maybe it makes a little more sense. But also how many minutes is he truly going to get here as long as Randle is still here? He's getting too old to guard 3's and Thibs never would run a Bojan/Randle 4/5 frontcourt.

Just seems like we'd be paying a premium for a guy who is destined to get at most 20 mpg.

Plus, his minutes would have to come from somewhere... 3 mins from Randle, 2 from Hart, 2 from DDV, 5 from Grimes, 2 from RJ... 12 mins available at most? Having too many guys leads to complaints and locker room chemistry issues.

If this was to happen I am pulling all of Grimes' minutes and starting Donte. Grimes is in need of a reset. I would send him down to the G-League for a couple of months and tell him, go do what you do with no restrictions and bring that same mentality back with you when it is time.

Starters
Brunson 35
Donte 24
RJ 30
Randle 35
Mitch 30

Bench
IQ 25
Hart 23
Bogdonovic 23
I-Hart 15

[dakomish23]

KFTV rehashed something we discussed in the preseason - DET Bojan for Fournier. But they have us sending our first which I don't like.

[cgf]

Another trade board idea from a Kings fan:


NY out - Fournier, 2 2nds
NY IN - Barnes

Sac out - Barnes, Mitchell, 2 2nds
Sac in - Collins

Utah out - Collins
Utah in - Fournier, Mitchell, 4 2nds

Post-trade Lineup:

Brunson | Quickley | McBride
Grimes | DiVincenzo
Barrett | Hart
Randle | Barnes
Robinson | Hartenstein | Sims

Fournier and "Obi" for Harrison Barnes. Sign me up.

Would probably mean letting Hartenstein walk...at least if he's looking for a raise...but we could offer IQ a 5yr 125M deal that started around 21.5M -- 4x100 would start around 22.5M -- and averaged the 25per that he was reportedly looking for, without hitting the 2nd Apron.
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/new-york-knicks/cap/2024/

Randle - 30.3
Barrett - 25.8
Brunson - 24.9
Hart - 18.1
Barnes - 18.0
Robinson - 14.3
DiVincenzo - 11.5
Grimes - 4.3
Sims - 2.0

Total (9 players) - 149.4M
"Super Tax" Apron - 190M

21.6 of that 30.6M can go to IQ and we'd have 9M left for Deuce, our FRP, and a 3rd string C to push Jericho.

Quickley - 21.6M
3C - 4M
McBride - 2M
DAL/NYK FRP - 3M

If we sold our pick again we'd have almost 7M to pay that depth center...which isn't quite Hartenstein money (9M), but is just a few million away; so we could waive Sims and offer IH a similar deal to the one he's currently on.



EDIT:
I'm an idiot 190-150 = 40, not 30. So yeah, we could offer IQ his deal, keep our pick, deuce, and offer Hartenstein 13/14M a year...which is almost Mitch money.