[Camelo Thread Part 6] - Update: NJ tries again Pg. 71

Post #761 » by **Turisas** » Wed Jan 5, 2011 7:57 pm

Lol some people will complain about everything. As if Mozgov would've signed with us if the contract wasn't guaranteed. And if we need to get rid of him some team like Orlando would give us the relief.

god shammgod · Post #762 » by **god shammgod** » Wed Jan 5, 2011 8:06 pm

i believe there was a buyout of his contract he needed to pay which is why we needed to give moz the 3 years. i still have hope for moz, ar not as much.

Pharmcat · Post #763 » by **Pharmcat** » Wed Jan 5, 2011 8:11 pm

GONYK wrote:Hey, here's an idea...

Why don't we let Moz get through his first year in the NBA before we declare him a blunder and a bust!

nobody called him a bust

its just the contract structure that is a head scratcher

Post #764 » by **knicks742** » Wed Jan 5, 2011 8:12 pm

Pharmcat wrote:
GONYK wrote:Hey, here's an idea...

Why don't we let Moz get through his first year in the NBA before we declare him a blunder and a bust!

nobody called him a bust

its just the contract structure that is a head scratcher

See the posts above this one and you'll get your answer. I mean, Johan Petro signed for even more money and Haywood signed like a 6 year $50 million deal so you can see what the price for a decent center was last summer.

Pharmcat · Post #765 » by **Pharmcat** » Wed Jan 5, 2011 8:14 pm

knicks742 wrote:
Pharmcat wrote:
GONYK wrote:Hey, here's an idea...

Why don't we let Moz get through his first year in the NBA before we declare him a blunder and a bust!

nobody called him a bust

its just the contract structure that is a head scratcher

See the posts above this one and you'll get your answer. I mean, Johan Petro signed for even more money and Haywood signed like a 6 year $50 million deal so you can see what the price for a decent center was last summer.

those guys have some sort of track record in nba, this guy was a huge question mark

not even the owner from the same country wanted to sign him to his (new) nba team, and to give him multiple guaranteed years was not prudent given the nature of how cap space

Post #766 » by **Turisas** » Wed Jan 5, 2011 8:16 pm

He's on a 3-year $9.7-million contract. You guys are making it seem like we signed him at the MLE or something.

Post #767 » by **GONYK** » Wed Jan 5, 2011 8:19 pm

Turisas wrote:He's on a 3-year $9.7-million contract. You guys are making it seem like we signed him at the MLE or something.

These are the same people who bitched about Felton's contract.

Post #768 » by **Turisas** » Wed Jan 5, 2011 8:20 pm

Pharm no offense but I think I would trust Walsh's handling of the cap over yours.

FieldsMedal · Post #769 » by **FieldsMedal** » Wed Jan 5, 2011 9:53 pm

Pharmcat wrote:its just the contract structure that is a head scratcher

Pharmcat's suggested cap management for the record:

Gallo or Chandler, Fields, Randolph (or another's team's first), and another first round pick for 'Melo: YES!

Hill and a 2012 first rounder to create the cap space necessary for two max free agents (not to mention a point guard too): NO!

I might have to agree with you here because you seem intimately familiar with head scratchers.

aggo · Post #770 » by **aggo** » Wed Jan 5, 2011 10:03 pm

he also wanted the entire FO fired after drafting landry fields. He wanted hassan whiteside or tiny gallon

Pharmcat · Post #771 » by **Pharmcat** » Wed Jan 5, 2011 10:12 pm

GONYK wrote:
Turisas wrote:He's on a 3-year $9.7-million contract. You guys are making it seem like we signed him at the MLE or something.

These are the same people who bitched about Felton's contract.

not me, i said it was a great signing for 2 yrs

Pharmcat · Post #772 » by **Pharmcat** » Wed Jan 5, 2011 10:15 pm

FieldsMedal wrote:
Pharmcat wrote:its just the contract structure that is a head scratcher

Pharmcat's suggested cap management for the record:

Gallo or Chandler, Fields, Randolph (or another's team's first), and another first round pick for 'Melo: YES!

Hill and a 2012 first rounder to create the cap space necessary for two max free agents (not to mention a point guard too): NO!

I might have to agree with you here because you seem intimately familiar with head scratchers.

i have no idea what you are trying to say here....you are mixing multiple, seperate points to make some statement..we are talking bout the guaranteed contract to Moz here....again if he was so good, why didnt the new owner from the same country give him a (multiple year guaranteed) deal?

and the cap mgmt thing, knicks had like close to 25-28 mill w/out jeffries trade, still enough to get amare and felton, and still enough to add a max this OS with curry and jeffries coming off the table....but forget that stuff, its in the past: just moving forward, I believe this team does need melo to complete the 2 max plan donnie has and to maximize the prime career of amare...that is my position

Pharmcat · Post #773 » by **Pharmcat** » Wed Jan 5, 2011 10:15 pm

AggO wrote:he also wanted the entire FO fired after drafting landry fields. He wanted hassan whiteside or tiny gallon

i already stated i was wrong on that, it was in the chad ford thread if i recall

Post #774 » by **magnumt** » Wed Jan 5, 2011 10:18 pm

FieldsMedal wrote:
Pharmcat wrote:its just the contract structure that is a head scratcher

Pharmcat's suggested cap management for the record:

Gallo or Chandler, Fields, Randolph (or another's team's first), and another first round pick for 'Melo: YES!

Hill and a 2012 first rounder to create the cap space necessary for two max free agents (not to mention a point guard too): NO!

I might have to agree with you here because you seem intimately familiar with head scratchers.

You joined in Nov. How exactly do you know what Pharm said last Year?

--Mags

FieldsMedal · Post #775 » by **FieldsMedal** » Wed Jan 5, 2011 10:21 pm

magnumt wrote:You joined in Nov. How exactly do you know what Pharm said last Year?

He said it last week.

Ask him.

Fat Kat · Post #776 » by **Fat Kat** » Wed Jan 5, 2011 10:23 pm

Watching Pharm totally derail this thread is amusing. 2 pages about the Moz signing? Really?

Post #777 » by **GONYK** » Wed Jan 5, 2011 10:23 pm

Pharmcat wrote:

i have no idea what you are trying to say here....you are mixing multiple, seperate points to make some statement..we are talking bout the guaranteed contract to Moz here....again if he was so good, why didnt the new owner from the same country give him a (multiple year guaranteed) deal?

You pull your "arguments" from random places. NJ didn't sign him, because he didn't want to sign with them. Mozgov's agent said as much.

Mozzy's Agent wrote:“No, I didn’t talk to him,” Mozgov’s agent, Bouna Ndiaye, said when asked if Prokhorov had tried to land Mozgov for the Nets. “I really focused on the Knicks. And I did not focus on the Nets because the Nets would take longer to rebuild. I liked Mike D’Antoni’s system better than the Nets.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/12/sports/basketball/12knicks.html

FieldsMedal · Post #778 » by **FieldsMedal** » Wed Jan 5, 2011 10:23 pm

Pharmcat wrote:again if he was so good, why didnt the new owner from the same country give him a (multiple year guaranteed) deal?

Is this some twisted version of "I don't want to belong to any club that would have me as a member"?

Why didn't anyone want Felton?

Why didn't anyone else want Fields?

You only want players who got signed by other teams?

How do you sign anyone that way?

Pharmcat · Post #779 » by **Pharmcat** » Wed Jan 5, 2011 10:23 pm

FieldsMedal wrote:
magnumt wrote:You joined in Nov. How exactly do you know what Pharm said last Year?

He said it last week.

Ask him.

said what?

Pharmcat · Post #780 » by **Pharmcat** » Wed Jan 5, 2011 10:24 pm

Fat Kat wrote:Watching Pharm totally derail this thread is amusing. 2 pages about the Moz signing? Really?

im not trying to derail anything, i do think the guaranteed contracts for 2011 are a pertinent discussion point given the chance of getting melo as FA in OS