[Camelo Thread 14] - Minny, Denver and NY working!! p28

[ccvle]

lets see the spurs win a championship this year before you say you dont need a superstar. and by the way duncan was as big as a superstar there was when he won his 4rings.

[alphad0gz]

Pretty simple really. TEAMS win. TEAMS with STARS win over a team w/o stars. Miami has the stars and they have the role players to fill out the team. Lakers had the right role players. Boston had the complementary players. So did the Spurs.

Yes, stars can make the difference but without a complete team, they will lose. That's why its so important to not gut the team to get that second star. You still have to have those other three perfect role players. Miami had to find only two. Boston, only one.

[Purdman]

We need to swap out Chandler for Gallinari

Even though i love Gallo, chandler makes us a lot better defensivly and we need that to win in the playoffs.

gotta disagree, gallo has been a lot better at defense than chandler this season...chandler is getting blown by on a regular basis, while Gallo can check the leagues leading scorers with decent results...

[Marty McFly]

What we need is a coach that can use them to the best of their ability.

[JustCame]

That picture is..so horrible. My eyes hurt so much.

[PrecociousNeoph]

it's going to be great when we get melo. i can't wait.

[albert]

i dont see how this makes any sense salary wise... denver gives up 17M and only gets back 6,7? i dont get it...

Minessotta has a trade exemption for the Al Jefferson trade. They can send that trade exemption to Denver while absorbing Eddy Curry's contract.

According to the Berger report, we can also send Minnesota $3 million in cash to offset the real cost of absorbing Curry's contract thus not killing Minnesota's capspace for this summer.

But although I may be wrong, can we still send $3 million to Denver in the deal as well?

A breakdown may look something like this -

Denver loses:
Melo ($17 million)
Harrington ($5.5 million)

Total = $22.5 million outgoing

Denver gets:
Chandler and Corey Brewer (around $5.5 million together)
Minnesota's 1st rounder (whatever the cap hold will be)
Minnesota's trade exception ($14 million?)
Knicks cash ($3 million, can be seen as offsetting the cap hold of the draft pick)

Total = $22.5 million incoming, but only $5.5 million applying to the luxury tax

Denver's new luxury tax implications:
Before deal = Total player salary of $83 million, which is around $13 million over the luxury tax threshold, so $26 million luxury tax due.

After deal = Total player salary of $66 million, about $4 million under the threshold, so no tax due and this is not accounting for the trade exception presumably being used in another deal for even further savings.

Feel free to correct me if I'm way off here guys.

[NoLayupRule]

sooo.....what does the proposed trade do to Gallinari? will he start or make a powerful bench?

Mozgov
Amare
Melo
Fields
Felton

bench: SF- Gallinari,C- Turiaf,PF- S. Williams,SG- B. Walker,PG- T. Douglas
or

Amare
Melo
Gallinari
FIelds
Felton

bench: C- Mozgov, PF- Turiaf, SF- S. Williams, SG- B. Walker, PG-Douglas

good problem to have...I would rather Mozgov start at center for us though

Id be interesting because Dantoni does like to have an established scorer off the bench but IMO I think he will use Felton, Fields, Gallo, Carmelo and Amare as the starting 5.

In large part because those are our best 5 players, in large part because those are mismatches for opposing defenders and switchable defenders for us, in large part because the scoring, spacing and speed of that group is hard for any team to deal with.

Yeah, a lot of teams can bully-ball that line up. Like LA and Boston. But most teams dont have a PF/C combo who can dominate inside. Most teams have adapted to D'Antoni's system of spreading the floor and giving their PF a chance to shoot

[alphad0gz]

Ha.

Dude, why don't you admit that you know little about Anthony's game up close and personal? I've actually watched him play since HS and he is that good of a passer. His role now is that of a scorer and yet he still averages 3.1 apg for his career as compared to Amar'es 1.4. And that is w/o adjustment for pace. Anthony can pass...

[bencraven]

How would this be a good idea?

I just don't get it.

I love STAT, but lets face it, he and Melo are ball stoppers,

they are not lock down defenders by any means

&

they (would) eat up 90% of your cap in the upcoming 'hard cap world.'

And a 'hard cap world' is DEFINITELY coming.

I just don't understand how paying two 6'9"ish, ball stopping, midrange shooting, poor defending forwards,

maximum salaries

in a 'hard cap world'

is a good idea.

I think I'm with you on this. There's no way those two plus D'antnoni bring you a championship, it would contradict everything that has happened since the birth of the NBA until now.
However we will have a team that can compete. What the Suns were for the last 5 years we can be.
I'm really just enjoying being relevent again and I think we will be improved with Melo, but I don't think we're heading in a championship direction by adding Melo. (D'antoni is the main issue for me although I'm grateful for what he's done so far).

[KnickelandDime]

Yeah when looking at Carmelo's passing you don't compare him to Wade or Lebon or the other scorers who also run the point. Rather, you have to compare him to Dirk and Durant and somwhat to Kobe (though he does run the point at times) and then it becomes clear that he is an above average passer.

[Newbballfan]

Just some food for thought. Do you really think Josh Kroenke will make this deal to allegedly save 20 million dollars (probably much much much less) when his dad is worth 3.5 billion and his mom is worth 20 billion?

[knicks742]

Just some food for thought. Do you really think Josh Kroenke will make this deal to allegedly save 20 million dollars (probably much much much less) when his dad is worth 3.5 billion and his mom is worth 20 billion?

They traded marcus camby when they were contenders for a trade exemption and the option to exchange 2nd round picks with the Clippers. That's your answer.

[Invictus]

How many stars do the Spurs have? How many stars did the Pistons have?

You win with a great TEAM.

The spurs haven't done anything yet this season. Last time they won, the Greatest Power Forward of All-Time was in his prime....so yeah.

Bulls: 1 superstar, 1 allstar
Lakers: 2 superstars
Spurs: 1 superstar, 2 others that are borderline allstars
Heat: 2 superstars
Lakers:1 superstar, 1 all star
Boston: 3 allstars

Overwhelming evidence

[duetta]

If we can get Anthony for some version of this package, even we throw in Walker, the GS#2s, an additional #1 (ideally in a handshake agreement for our 2011 pick), it's a great deal for the Knicks.

But my guess is that Denver will have 2nd thoughts - and start playing the same game with Walsh as they did with the Nets. That's why Walsh has to be willing to walk away - and why Dolan needs to recognize that everything bad that has happened to the Knicks has happened on his watch, and likely because of his moronic impatience. Any man who still talks weekly to the Bernie Madoff of NBA general managers needs to get his head examined.

[Lottery Bound]

Just some food for thought. Do you really think Josh Kroenke will make this deal to allegedly save 20 million dollars (probably much much much less) when his dad is worth 3.5 billion and his mom is worth 20 billion?

Or he can lose him for nothing during free agency.

[Newbballfan]

Just some food for thought. Do you really think Josh Kroenke will make this deal to allegedly save 20 million dollars (probably much much much less) when his dad is worth 3.5 billion and his mom is worth 20 billion?

Or he can lose him for nothing during free agency.

Chandler + corey brewer is basically nothing

[knicks9784]

Just some food for thought. Do you really think Josh Kroenke will make this deal to allegedly save 20 million dollars (probably much much much less) when his dad is worth 3.5 billion and his mom is worth 20 billion?

Or he can lose him for nothing during free agency.

Chandler + corey brewer is basically nothing

they'll most likely get picks from both us a minny. and chandler, brewer, 2 1st rounders, saving $$ is better than nothing.

[mpharris36]

Just some food for thought. Do you really think Josh Kroenke will make this deal to allegedly save 20 million dollars (probably much much much less) when his dad is worth 3.5 billion and his mom is worth 20 billion?

Or he can lose him for nothing during free agency.

Chandler + corey brewer is basically nothing

Are you forgetting the top pick they will be getting also?

[atlnyk]

I don't care what anyone think or say, Melo, Amare, Gallo, Fields and Felton in the same line-up, is going to stress the hell out of ANY TEAM they play. Then you have the size with Moz and Ronnie and still have Williams, Walker and Tony D off the bench. If the trade goes down as it has been put out there, we will positively have one of the most lethal teams in the league. I challenge anyone to tell me that, that team is not at least as good as the team Melo would be leaving.