WHG traded to hornets for O'Bryant and two 2nds

[Billy Goat]

Yeah, sometimes they do just that. Sometimes a franchise player still has a wart or two in their games; it doesn't mean they couldn't be the best or second best player on a contender. Just because we would like him to rebound more or shoot a higher percentage doesn't negate what he already does. We spend too much time talking about what players aren't instead of what they are.

Shooting/efficiency is what maters most. This is black and white data. Porzingis' output was not that of a franchise/max player. The Knicks would be winning more if it were.

And if you were a Mavericks fan during Dirk's early years you'd say rebounding and defense matters most. And if you were a Celtics' fan during the Pierce and Walker years you'd say shooting and defense matters most. Again, you're picking and choosing where he's deficient and ignoring the areas where he's strong to fit your argument. It's not his output that's an impediment to the Knicks winning lol...

He's deficient at essentially everything besides blocks. Investing max money into that type of output would be insane if the goal is to win. We're already handicapped by the terrible Hardaway and Noah contracts.

[Synciere]

It's a fair deal, but the Knicks killed WHG value....especially if the plan was to eventually move him. If they let him play through his struggles, his value skyrockets.....whether he sits or played and continued to suck, his value is crushed. Someone said this move was because Dolan would be upset with him talking, it's really the only logical explanation.

How did the Knicks kill his value? He got outplayed. He didn't earn his spot. Are we now giving minutes to guys who haven't earned them? What does that do for culture?

It's not about culture. It's about VALUE. If you want to trade Willy then you PLAY HIM. You don't bury him on the bench until he sulks and then GIVE HIM AWAY.

We're a capitalistic society. Value is what someone is willing to pay. Again, it's not like we were offered a first and said no. Clearly everyone who wanted him offered us a second, and we probably held out for two seconds. THAT was his value. Clearly the coaches saw him play in practice and thought him worse than the guys ahead of him, so playing him wasn't going to raise his value. Young players get buried everyday B. Either they come out fighting for a spot and win one or they sulk. Maybe he worked on his game, but he was obviously also sulking a bit. That's not on Hornacek or Perry. That's on him.

[thebuzzardman]

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Yeah. This. We should get rid of Kyle too.

Btw, what does this say about Noah?

Or Kanter

[InToTheHoop]

Its not that I love the trade, but those 2nd rounders can be pretty decent. Lot of you guys like this years CHI pick we get and I feel these picks can have similar value. CHA will be garbage for the next years and everything between 31-40 is very likely.

Just hypothetical: If we would have traded WHG for lets say the GSW 2020 1st rounder. Would that have been a good trade? It would have been a late first rounder...

Is there really much difference between #30 and lets say #35? In that area everything is a crap shoot and you can find gems or busts with either picks.

And we got 2 of those pretty early 2nd rounders. I would be mad if the picks were late 2nd rounders. But that will likely not be the case here. So if we thought that WHG is not our future and we continue to do deals I dont hate this trade.

[reub]

How did the Knicks kill his value? He got outplayed. He didn't earn his spot. Are we now giving minutes to guys who haven't earned them? What does that do for culture?

It's not about culture. It's about VALUE. If you want to trade Willy then you PLAY HIM. You don't bury him on the bench until he sulks and then GIVE HIM AWAY.

We're a capitalistic society. Value is what someone is willing to pay. Again, it's not like we were offered a first and said no. Clearly everyone who wanted him offered us a second, and we probably held out for two seconds. THAT was his value. Clearly the coaches saw him play in practice and thought him worse than the guys ahead of him, so playing him wasn't going to raise his value. Young players get buried everyday B. Either they come out fighting for a spot and win one or they sulk. Maybe he worked on his game, but he was obviously also sulking a bit. That's not on Hornacek or Perry. That's on him.

Sure, if you let someone rot on the bench until he sulks his value will diminish and the demand will dry up. That's capitalism.

[YaMomsEx]

Iman & Landry fields mad all rookie first team btw

[Butch718]

In hindsight, they should have traded Willy back during the off-season. He probably would have fetched a late 1st rounder or a decent wing rotation player. Now his worth is garbage, because he was exposed for what he truly is. A center with poor defensive instincts, and decent post skills. Not very desirable in today's game.

[thebuzzardman]

Yeah, like two posters in here. STFU.

It wasn’t even “expecting”. It was “hoping”. Are we supposed to “hope” for the mediocre package we received?

more like dreaming

And this is more like trolling. Don't you have your own board to hang out on? Or the general board. Stupidity is found in greater concentrations there.

[blueNorange]

We traded a solid young player on his rookie deal, who’s biggest issue was having guys who are about to get paid this offseason, in front of him.

This organization is a disgrace

the issue was more that he couldn't play defense and instead of working on his game he complained to the media all season long.

The starter can’t play defense either

Idc about him vocalizing his wish to play.

It’s a mediocre deal by less than mediocre franchise

llmaooo you don't care about him vocalizing to the media?

okay, i'm over with you. that's an insane comment to make.

[BLACKFEET 2010]

Does this trade suggest that Scott is calling the shots being that Wily was Steve's guy?

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[YaMomsEx]

Listen I wouldn't have made the trade.... I would have just played him but to act like we just lost a dawg..... I don't get it lol... Willy will always be a numbers go who doesn't add impact to a game imo of course

[thebuzzardman]

LOL you guys thought Willy actually had more value?

All those teams that were "interested" in him, this was likely the best offer we received for him

Then they should have held on to him against KOQ opting out, which is sure to happen. A team doesn't HAVE to trade.

When someone is very replaceable, like Willy, there's no point in holding on to him.

They traded him for worse player and two sh*t 2nd rounders. I'd say you hold onto him.

Whatever. KP's down. WHG is gone. Frank'll probably be gone. Good. F*ck any players drafted. Let the Knicks roll with cast offs and rejects. I hope they trade the pick and if they don't, just trade the guy after next year. It's great.

[Galou]

I just hope yall dont complain about how good he's doing when he plays in Orlando because hes definitely gonna shine.

[TheGreenArrow]

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[BUDDAMAN]

It wasn’t even “expecting”. It was “hoping”. Are we supposed to “hope” for the mediocre package we received?

more like dreaming

And this is more like trolling. Don't you have your own board to hang out on? Or the general board. Stupidity is found in greater concentrations there.

im not trolling.. whats wrong with having a healthy debate

I just thought asking for MONK is crazy talk

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[Garbagelo]

how can anyone POSSIBLY defend this rape of a trade?

[thebuzzardman]

It's for the picks not the player. What did you think Willy was worth? He's worse than KOQ.

Well, you hate every player on the team except Burke so not sure what to think.

Or are you a Mich alum and like THJr too?

The players taking the most shots for the Knicks are below league average at their respective positions. Do you ever wonder why the Knicks continue to lose games? Talent matters, recognizing what talent actually is matters more.

Well, the Knicks are in pretty big trouble then, because they haven't been able to recognize talent for a while

[TheGreenArrow]

Taking shot at the knicks....

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