Offseason Thread - So Begins The Lesser Offseason - Well... After Kawhi Decides

F N 11 · Post #761 » by **F N 11** » Fri Jul 5, 2019 4:40 pm

BLACKFEET 2010 wrote:Not for nothing, I hope people aren’t just assuming Dot’s safe. His standing here after the free agent adds is just as much in question as Frank.

I like him but Ellington and Bullock jumpers are more consistent. I rather keep Dot bc he came in the league being a knock down shooter and doesnt need the ball one bit and has chemistry with guys who have been here.

Phish Tank · Post #762 » by **Phish Tank** » Fri Jul 5, 2019 4:40 pm

Legion Hoops Ross is a fraud

Post #763 » by **DOT** » Fri Jul 5, 2019 4:40 pm

I mean, I've moved on. Thought he was getting moved on draft night, I never expected him to play this year

But if he breaks out, it just means I can sh*tpost about Perry's teams trading away young guys just before they break out, so I'm looking forward to that. And if he doesn't, then we wouldn't've got him good anyways. Really a no lose scenario for me

Post #764 » by **Capn'O** » Fri Jul 5, 2019 4:40 pm

BeagleBoss wrote:What exactly happened to Fultz? He was such a can't miss prospect coming out of Washington.

Official word is TOS syndrome.

I'm fairly sure that means Howard Mass banned him.

Cookies4Life · Post #765 » by **Cookies4Life** » Fri Jul 5, 2019 4:41 pm

F N 11 wrote:
Cookies4Life wrote:
F N 11 wrote:trading him for Fultz makes 0 sense since we are trading him bc of a jam already.

I don't think they'd give us Isaac for him- another guy who isn't that good offensively but has shown he can be a good defender in this league. I also doubt they'd give us a first rounder for him so I'd imagine it would be Fultz or a second rounder.

At least Fultz can play the 1 or 2, I mean there was a reason he was selected with the 1st pick a few years ago. If this staff is so good at developing young talent than they should hopefully be able to bring Fultz around.

It's actually better there's a logjam in the backcourt, it could give Markelle ample time to come back slowly.

Isaac is about to go crazy this year this will never trade him for Frank. Orlando actually plays defense Frank would make them so much better (14th). Knicks were 30th but wanna trade a defender? lool

It also looks like Frank has gotten a little bigger this summer, it's conceivable he could play minutes at the 1, 2 and 3 positions. He can be a secondary ballhandler for this team on the court and cover 3 positions at the least defensively. It makes no sense to trade him now, he was a project coming into the league and everyone knew he was going to take several years to develop.

if this coaching staff prides themselves on development, they should focus on developing our own lottery talent instead of dumping them for next to nothing. I won't be happy if he's traded for a 2nd rounder or even a couple 2nd rounders.

21 Hussle · Post #766 » by **21 Hussle** » Fri Jul 5, 2019 4:42 pm

KnicksGod wrote:
BeagleBoss wrote:What exactly happened to Fultz? He was such a can't miss prospect coming out of Washington.

Seems like mental problems to be honest.

He checks all the boxes. I hope he finds a way to make it through because I hate how the media is portraying him.

god shammgod · Post #767 » by **god shammgod** » Fri Jul 5, 2019 4:42 pm

Mecca wrote:I wouldn’t trade Frank tbh. Especially not with his value so low and Orlando not having sexy prospects available.

i have little hope for frank but i agree. what could we be getting ? a 2nd ?

Post #768 » by **Capn'O** » Fri Jul 5, 2019 4:42 pm

GONYK wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
moocow007 wrote:
That would fit salary wise.

I'd do it.

How does that solve the issue of there not being enough minutes in the backcourt?

If Fultz is finally healthy he could be the starter. If he isn't, he's a DNP.

F N 11 · Post #769 » by **F N 11** » Fri Jul 5, 2019 4:42 pm

Phish Tank wrote:Legion Hoops Ross is a fraud

This, im still mad its a possibility tho. Legionhoops always have a rep of being frauds but they have followers now I guess.

ophdog · Post #770 » by **ophdog** » Fri Jul 5, 2019 4:42 pm

To me Fultz is a decent gamble. If he can get back to normal he has a ton of talent. Orlando should have to send a second rounder as well

Post #771 » by **mpharris36** » Fri Jul 5, 2019 4:42 pm

Mecca wrote:I wouldn’t trade Frank tbh. Especially not with his value so low and Orlando not having sexy prospects available.

on top of that if your looking at the best fit next to RJ...its him.

Post #772 » by **mpharris36** » Fri Jul 5, 2019 4:43 pm

god shammgod wrote:
Mecca wrote:I wouldn’t trade Frank tbh. Especially not with his value so low and Orlando not having sexy prospects available.

i have little hope for frank but i agree. what could we be getting ? a 2nd ?

I would just trade them DSJ for a lottery protected 1st from ORL and call it a day.

Post #773 » by **Capn'O** » Fri Jul 5, 2019 4:43 pm

K-DOT wrote:I mean, I've moved on. Thought he was getting moved on draft night, I never expected him to play this year

But if he breaks out, it just means I can sh*tpost about Perry's teams trading away young guys just before they break out, so I'm looking forward to that. And if he doesn't, then we wouldn't've got him good anyways. Really a no lose scenario for me

Like Elfrid Payton???

Post #774 » by **DOT** » Fri Jul 5, 2019 4:44 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
Mecca wrote:I wouldn’t trade Frank tbh. Especially not with his value so low and Orlando not having sexy prospects available.

on top of that if your looking at the best fit next to RJ...its him.

Feel like any time we say something like this, it has to have an asterisk next to it saying *if he gets his shooting consistent

Post #775 » by **HerSports85** » Fri Jul 5, 2019 4:44 pm

You had guys like curry, harden and pg13 impressed with Frank lockdown defense ... but I guess that’s not needed to win.

F N 11 · Post #776 » by **F N 11** » Fri Jul 5, 2019 4:45 pm

Mecca wrote:Teams worse than the Knicks next year:
Charlotte
Cleveland - But I love Beilein and Garland
MAYBE Washington, but Beal is elite.

Realistically another top 4 pick is probable. Cole Anthony SZN

My brother go take a look at the east. Knicks can make the playoffs if healthy and RJ is actually legit along with Mitch and co taking leaps. We need to play defense tho.

Post #777 » by **Capn'O** » Fri Jul 5, 2019 4:45 pm

god shammgod wrote:
Mecca wrote:I wouldn’t trade Frank tbh. Especially not with his value so low and Orlando not having sexy prospects available.

i have little hope for frank but i agree. what could we be getting ? a 2nd ?

Maybe 2 2nds

BeagleBoss · Post #778 » by **BeagleBoss** » Fri Jul 5, 2019 4:46 pm

Defense is great and all but you can't be a total zero on offense.

Tornelyus · Post #779 » by **Tornelyus** » Fri Jul 5, 2019 4:46 pm

Before FIBA World Cup, trading Frank would be the most inexplicable move of our offseason.
If he shows up with an improved jumper, we can even use him as starter next to EP and RJ, Knox would be the 6th man to see minutes at 3&4.
We don't have enough defenders, his value is already rock bottom. Paying Bullock, Portis and Gibson %135-150 of market value proves that his salary is not the issue. Why is the hurry?

god shammgod · Post #780 » by **god shammgod** » Fri Jul 5, 2019 4:47 pm

BeagleBoss wrote:Defense is great and all but you can't be a total zero on offense.

frank seemingly didn't get better in any way in year 2 including defense. i think that's the biggest red flag.