2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch

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[robillionaire]

hunter biden could shoot his emails on 5th avenue

[Cookies4Life]

That's the most ridiculous thing, nobody in the Trump family should be so brazen to speak about other political families being fed with a silver spoon. That includes Kushner as well.

The entire Trump family is a bunch of trust fund babies. The only thing they did was win the genetic lottery. If Donnie walnuts' father wasn't Fred trump, he more than likely would've been an abysmal failure in his life. He transferred into Wharton's business school because of his last name, he didn't actually get in because of a strong academic record.

I have no issues with trust fund babies, but don't pretend like you actually earned your money or professional position(s) like 99% of the society.

This is why our capitalistic society isn't functioning efficiently, because we have a bunch of idiots who are clearly unqualified holding very important positions. This country would function so much better if we followed a meritocracy system.

[robillionaire]

That's the most ridiculous thing, nobody in the Trump family should be so brazen to speak about other political families being fed with a silver spoon. That includes Kushner as well.

The entire Trump family is a bunch of trust fund babies. The only thing they did was win the genetic lottery.

please don't further encourage their upcoming eugenics program they have been alluding to for some time now this isn't genetic it's just generational exploitation

[GONYK]

Trump nearly got impeached trying to kneecap Biden over Hunter last summer. It didn't stick and now Biden is kicking his face in.

If it hasn't worked for the last 15 months, what makes Trump think it's going to stick in the last 500 hours before the election?

[robillionaire]

Trump nearly got impeached trying to kneecap Biden over Hunter last summer. It didn't stick and now Biden is kicking his face in.

If it hasn't worked for the last 15 months, what makes Trump think it's going to stick in the last 500 hours before the election?

idk they have to try whatever hail mary they can

people are literally dying and unemployed nobody cares about hunter biden

[j4remi]

Greenwald is sort of fascinating. He seems to be openly rooting for Biden to lose. There's no way to really justify that. Democracy is a compromise, that much is not going to change really. When the demographics change and attitudes change (or some combo), then you can go more left. Or maybe there's a reasonable deal to be made with the Lincoln Project folks, as much as he reviles them.

He doesn't own goodwill or ideas. Trump is a fire that you have to put out. And he didn't come about because the left wasn't far enough left ... I know some think that but I just think that's not the right lesson to learn from 2016.

I realize many may not agree with this. I'm not even moderate really. But I don't think you can lose sight of some indicators or realism, and if that makes me moderate, okay.

The thing about Greenwald to remember is that he was attacked in bad faith over the Edward Snowden leaks. THAT'S where the "Russian agent" crap began, NOT 2016 and its aftermath.

Greenwald went from being welcome on MSNBC because his critique of American imperialism went after Bush. To getting kicked out of those circles because he kept his critiques about American imperialism when Obama took over. His principles didn't change. Then he helped break a major story about mass surveillance. They painted him a Russian operative over revealing real infringement on citizens' privacy. He wasn't attacked for lying, he was attacked for revealing the truth. Here's a long story that details the whole thing, but I want to grab some excerpts that might help explain why his point of view has become so jaded and negative toward the Dems.

Again bare in mind that he got this treatment because what he revealed was real and the article in earlier points goes into detail about how he protected the information and got it to journalists and organizations to properly handle it.

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/snowden-and-greenwald-the-men-who-leaked-the-secrets-104970/

In August, Greenwald’s partner, David Miranda, was detained at London’s Heathrow Airport over the Snowden matter. Miranda was on his way home to Rio after a week’s vacation in Berlin, where he had visited Poitras, who’d given him some of the Snowden documents to bring back to Green­wald. As he was entering the transit lounge, he was stopped by British police. The authorities seized the materials, as well as Miranda’s laptop, cellphone and other electronic devices, and demanded passwords for the encrypted electronics. They detained and interrogated him for nine hours, before finally allowing him to continue on to Brazil.

The question is whether Greenwald is considered a threat by the U.S. government. While he is certainly doing better than Snowden, Greenwald too, as Radack says, is “free but not free,” living comfortably in Rio, but unsure when he will be able to come home. Though Attorney General Eric Holder recently said that “I’m not sure there is a basis for prosecution,” Greenwald isn’t reassured. He believes it unlikely that he’d be hauled off a plane and arrested at immigration – if only for the negative press that would cause – but there’s no way to know. “They could indict you in secret and just seal it, but there’s no way to ever make them tell you one way or the other if they intend to arrest you. So you could theoretically be in legal limbo forever.”

Snowden, Greenwald says, has become “a huge celebrity” in Russia, where people muse about his whereabouts, wondering about his next move. Russian paparazzi, frustrated in their attempts to find him, have taken to selling fake pictures of Snowden shopping at the supermarket. “He’s like Elvis,” Greenwald says. But he’s still in Russia. “I think the U.S. actually wants him in Russia because that’s what lets them demonize him.” And demonizing him is important, he adds. “If a whistle-blower becomes a hero, people start thinking, ‘Wow, the stuff he saw must have really been awful for him to go and risk his life and blow the whistle.’ But if you get to say, ‘He’s crazy, he’s unstable, he’s a Russian spy,’ it de-legitimizes the premise of the whole act, which is that he saw something so fundamentally wrong that his conscience demanded that he do it.”

The reason I bring all this up is because, when Greenwald fails to vet Guccifer later on and when he takes on a "they're just fearmongering with the Russia stuff" stance; it's not because he's a Russian plant. It's because he broke a major news story and that sort of bad faith attack targeted him directly. People he cared about were harassed and detained. He's skeptical of all the Russia stuff because he's been a victim of false accusations relating to Russia.

Now...does that vindicate him of shoddy missteps after the Snowden fallout? Hell no. Do I agree with his stances? Nah, I think he's gone off the rails. But I also think that the push to delegitimize his entire career is the second best example of how Manufacturing Consent really does function that I can call to mind (the coup in Bolivia is just incredibly perfect as an example so Greenwald/Snowden takes second place).

It's also worth noting that Greenwald continues to be outspoken against fascist behavior when he's not caught up in his own biases. The Bolsonaro government tried to target him as a criminal for his work earlier THIS year. This is a guy who has been targeted by multiple governments from both the liberal and conservative sides of things.

If we were to look at actual contributions to society from career beginning to now Greenwald >>> The Lincoln Project even with his more recent misgivings and failings. The Bush cronies cashing in on Trump hate while they set themselves up to either steal the Democratic party's center or jump right back in to fighting the Dems with better data on how to trick them is probably the most annoying part of this entire election season for me.

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That's a thread worth reading...those dudes are opportunists and I can't stand how often I have to hear BS about them just because they know how to play the game in a way someone like Greenwald refused to.

[Cookies4Life]

That's the most ridiculous thing, nobody in the Trump family should be so brazen to speak about other political families being fed with a silver spoon. That includes Kushner as well.

The entire Trump family is a bunch of trust fund babies. The only thing they did was win the genetic lottery.

please don't further encourage their upcoming eugenics program they have been alluding to for some time now this isn't genetic it's just generational exploitation

The funny (or sad) thing is that's been going on for hundreds of years in England's "high society." I remember in my medical genetics course a decade ago spending time studying about consanguinity in the royal family for over 10 generations. I used to live in England and it's clear as day a lot of those upper elite families do a lot of inbreeding- they think it keeps their bloodline pure when in actuality it causes a myriad of genetic deformities. The royal family have been suffering from hemophilia for the last few centuries.

I like general exploitation, it has a nice ring to it. When trump speaks about his daughter in such a depraved way, I'm not even a little bit shocked by it.

On a side note, his father was a terrible human being as well but at least he earned his money. Donnie was born into money, was a megalomaniac since the 1970's and somehow weasled his way into the most important job in this country. I can't believe his head hasn't exploded yet from his augmenting ego.

I'm still perplexed as to how he won in 2016. Well not really, I've been to the south many times and unfortunately a lot of their generalized stereotypes hold true.

[j4remi]

Trump nearly got impeached trying to kneecap Biden over Hunter last summer. It didn't stick and now Biden is kicking his face in.

If it hasn't worked for the last 15 months, what makes Trump think it's going to stick in the last 500 hours before the election?

idk they have to try whatever hail mary they can

people are literally dying and unemployed nobody cares about hunter biden

Literally ANYTHING they can throw at the wall. The GOP in California committing voter fraud to prove voter fraud exists is one of the wildest stories I've seen in a while but I'm legitimately concerned at how far the GOP will go to try and invalidate mail-in ballots (already submitted mine but it's Jersey so I'm good).

[robillionaire]

That's the most ridiculous thing, nobody in the Trump family should be so brazen to speak about other political families being fed with a silver spoon. That includes Kushner as well.

The entire Trump family is a bunch of trust fund babies. The only thing they did was win the genetic lottery.

please don't further encourage their upcoming eugenics program they have been alluding to for some time now this isn't genetic it's just generational exploitation

The funny (or sad) thing is that's been going on for hundreds of years in England's "high society." I remember in my medical genetics course a decade ago spending time studying about consanguinity in the royal family for over 10 generations. I used to live in England and it's clear as day a lot of those upper elite families do a lot of inbreeding- they think it keeps their bloodline pure when in actuality it causes a myriad of genetic deformities. The royal family have been suffering from hemophilia for the last few centuries.

I like general exploitation, it has a nice ring to it. When trump speaks about his daughter in such a depraved way, I'm not even a little bit shocked by it.

On a side note, his father was a terrible human being as well but at least he earned his money. Donnie was born into money, was a megalomaniac since the 1970's and somehow weasled his way into the most important job in this country. I can't believe his head hasn't exploded yet from his augmenting ego.

I'm still perplexed as to how he won in 2016. Well not really, I've been to the south many times and unfortunately a lot of their generalized stereotypes hold true.

A lot of it was just the fact that Hillary was an extremely unpopular and disliked candidate, I wasn't perplexed at all. He was viewed as an outsider so people took the gamble. I'm from the south born in florida and raised in kentucky but having lived in new york for many years now the same issues are here too, they just take more covert and insidious forms. Trump isn't from the south and he's the head of the snake. But it's starting to feel like Malcolm X used to say as long as you're south of the Canadian border you're south. If people think they are safe from Trump's pograms up here they are sadly mistaken and might not realize it until they wake up to tanks in the streets if what ICE has been doing hasn't already been enough

[HarthorneWingo]

Trump nearly got impeached trying to kneecap Biden over Hunter last summer. It didn't stick and now Biden is kicking his face in.

If it hasn't worked for the last 15 months, what makes Trump think it's going to stick in the last 500 hours before the election?

He’s flailing out of desperation at this point.

[HarthorneWingo]

please don't further encourage their upcoming eugenics program they have been alluding to for some time now this isn't genetic it's just generational exploitation

The funny (or sad) thing is that's been going on for hundreds of years in England's "high society." I remember in my medical genetics course a decade ago spending time studying about consanguinity in the royal family for over 10 generations. I used to live in England and it's clear as day a lot of those upper elite families do a lot of inbreeding- they think it keeps their bloodline pure when in actuality it causes a myriad of genetic deformities. The royal family have been suffering from hemophilia for the last few centuries.

I like general exploitation, it has a nice ring to it. When trump speaks about his daughter in such a depraved way, I'm not even a little bit shocked by it.

On a side note, his father was a terrible human being as well but at least he earned his money. Donnie was born into money, was a megalomaniac since the 1970's and somehow weasled his way into the most important job in this country. I can't believe his head hasn't exploded yet from his augmenting ego.

I'm still perplexed as to how he won in 2016. Well not really, I've been to the south many times and unfortunately a lot of their generalized stereotypes hold true.

A lot of it was just the fact that Hillary was an extremely unpopular and disliked candidate, I wasn't perplexed at all. He was viewed as an outsider so people took the gamble. I'm from the south born in florida and raised in kentucky but having lived in new york for many years now the same issues are here too, they just take more covert and insidious forms. Trump isn't from the south and he's the head of the snake. But it's starting to feel like Malcolm X used to say as long as you're south of the Canadian border you're south. If people think they are safe from Trump's pograms up here they are sadly mistaken and might not realize it until they wake up to tanks in the streets if what ICE has been doing hasn't already been enough

Come on out to Long Island. I’ll give you a tour.

[K_ick_God]

Like most things we assign some grander purpose or macro effects to it but in the end it’s just a bunch of self-interested humans.

Trump begging for votes.

Hillary lost because she wasn’t cool or likable enough.

Greenwald, as I was just educated (thank you), is feeling personally distrustful because he was unfairly attacked.

So it’s a lot of feelings.

Bernie gets a lot of credit for forcefully supporting Biden.

[stuporman]

The establishment Dems have been selling out the people to the corporations for decades and the only compromise they do with Reps are take two more steps to the right and say thank you every time. There is no left in the two main parties, it's center right and extreme right.

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That interview specifically? Kabuki theater

In the current economic/public health circumstances? Most politicians have failed the American people in so many ways and the few who have tried are overwhelmingly outnumbered by the ones who don't really care because they are insulated from it so their efforts get muted by the collective ineffectual response.

Let's not ignore the looming homeless crisis as soon as the eviction moratorium ends because millions will owe more than they can pay with little to no income and no savings. Think about a January in the middle of winter and twindemic with millions of people getting kicked out of their homes.

[dakomish23]

Trump nearly got impeached trying to kneecap Biden over Hunter last summer. It didn't stick and now Biden is kicking his face in.

If it hasn't worked for the last 15 months, what makes Trump think it's going to stick in the last 500 hours before the election?

idk they have to try whatever hail mary they can

people are literally dying and unemployed nobody cares about hunter biden

Literally ANYTHING they can throw at the wall. The GOP in California committing voter fraud to prove voter fraud exists is one of the wildest stories I've seen in a while but I'm legitimately concerned at how far the GOP will go to try and invalidate mail-in ballots (already submitted mine but it's Jersey so I'm good).

Yep. Literally anything. They’re even trying to bring up Hillary again

[dakomish23]

Since he likes taking people’s words out of context and put them in ads, Biden did this.

I love it.

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Literally anything against the wall

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[GONYK]

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Zuckerberg really doesn't fear Trump anymore

[Capn'O]

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Literally anything against the wall

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File under "bold strategy Cotton."

[SmoothLefty21]

For a long time I thought Trump was a lock to get a second term but man this dude is going down in flames. Maybe the silent majority will save him again but he is coming out with terrible look after terrible look.