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Re: PG: BELIEVE 

Post#761 » by Context » Tue May 6, 2025 4:41 pm

Capn'O wrote:We missed 14 FTs last night. 54%. Still at only 66% minus Mitch.

That's something we likely don't repeat.

If Mitch gets activated at some point- we could go on a run...
He's definitely not himself. I think he just needs more time...Atleast he being productive enough to be a the defending champs strategy.
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Re: PG: BELIEVE 

Post#762 » by knicksstuff » Tue May 6, 2025 4:41 pm

Iron Mantis wrote:I heard someone say that the tracking data says the Celtics had 45 wide open 3-point attempts. ...

Can anyone confirm this?


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Re: PG: BELIEVE 

Post#763 » by robillionaire » Tue May 6, 2025 4:42 pm

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rajajackal wrote:whole media working overtime to blame the celtics for their 3PA rather than credit the knicks...we might save basketball if we win this series


Are you me

i have to believe all true knick fans are melting into a hivemind this morning :lol:


I swear to god I stayed up until past 1am or whatever watching the nuggets game, then highlights of the nuggets game, then interviews with every nuggets player, 5 sets of commercials, and then finally when they think everyone must be asleep they go to Knicks highlights, they all sit there in stunned silence, and then after the clips Charles Barkley sits there stammering about how they shot 19 out of 20 3s in the 3rd quarter while the others shuck and jive a little about how they chit their pants. Cut to commercial, the end. Nothing about anything the Knicks did, no interview, nada. Glad that show is getting shut down. NBA on NBC gang
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Re: PG: BELIEVE 

Post#764 » by Context » Tue May 6, 2025 4:43 pm

Strick wrote:If he keeps playing like this I’ll be saying I can’t believe we got Mikal Bridges for only 5 first round picks :lol:

To be honest Strick- thats what I said when we got him :lol: :wink:
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Re: PG: BELIEVE 

Post#765 » by LFGK » Tue May 6, 2025 4:43 pm

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I'm dead serious. It looks like we basically had one regular season strategy and are now much more team specific in our approach for the playoffs.

He definitely switched much more instead of deploying drop coverage that everyone has been asking for. Thibs the mad genius.


I do think he saved it for the playoffs, too. Thibs holds stuff back.


Been saying they held stuff back a bit and DEF held OG back but nobody wanted to hear it, thibs sucks, drop, we can't defend the 3. This team is going to send that soft squad home quicker then anyone thought possible. Wait until its 2-0 tomorrow, full blown meltdown incoming
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Re: PG: BELIEVE 

Post#766 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Tue May 6, 2025 4:45 pm

This was the second time Tatum missed a shot on a switch in the game, the first time was against KAT but he didn't try to attack he just took a three. This was the first time in the game where he really tried to dance/beat an iso and got stone walled with no help coming.

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Prior to this he had hit a three where KAT & Brunson didn't know whether to switch or not, with Brunson trying to get back to Jrue on a roll and they didn't communicate, the second three he hit was on Mitch where he switched but Mikal was shading hard to him so the open three was there for KP, but Tatum didn't see him so he took the three anyway. This GIF was the first time in the game they switched on Tatum with no shading, no sinking, no help coming and Tatum had to just try and beat one of our bigs one on one. Nobody shaded or helped, that is the first real no help switch we had on him.
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Re: PG: BELIEVE 

Post#767 » by Context » Tue May 6, 2025 4:45 pm

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knickabocker88 wrote:Knicks need to push the ball more and get OG the ball in transition.

Also more looks for him in the half court.

If OG didnt get hurt last year, would have given Indiana the beats in 5/6 last season.

We would have swept them.


We gonna take our anger out on em in the ECF don't worryyyyyyy

The opportunity is there but the Knicks will have to bring the same energy every single night 8-)
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Re: PG: BELIEVE 

Post#768 » by GONYK » Tue May 6, 2025 4:45 pm

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
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I do think he saved it for the playoffs, too. Thibs holds stuff back.



the man who plays guys entire 2nd half against the CHA on a b2b in the regular season is holding stuff back for the playoffs?

We can be understanding and thankful that Thibs adjusted but he isn't holding anything back during the regular season. That is blasphemy.



Yeah, he literally had no choice, the switching started when Precious came on the floor and then when we had no center on the floor because Mitch was gassed and KAT was in foul trouble. We stumbled into that because of problems, not some tactical idea, you don't wait till you're down 20 to start the master plan that you've been holding onto :lol:


We were switching out of the gate
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Re: PG: BELIEVE 

Post#769 » by LFGK » Tue May 6, 2025 4:47 pm

TKKnicks1 wrote:
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3toheadmelo wrote:He definitely switched much more instead of deploying drop coverage that everyone has been asking for. Thibs the mad genius.


I do think he saved it for the playoffs, too. Thibs holds stuff back.


Every one of my posts is usually something positive followed by something negative about Thibs but the man made me proud last night and I will give him his flowers when they are due. Game 2 is gonna be more of a chess match than game 1. Keep it up Thibs! Don't regress to your means.



honestly i think, Mazzulla stinks, Thibs going to outcoach him all series long. they will make a huge effort to shot less 3's which will play rite into our hand, you rather them shoot 2's.
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Re: PG: BELIEVE 

Post#770 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Tue May 6, 2025 4:50 pm

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NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
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the man who plays guys entire 2nd half against the CHA on a b2b in the regular season is holding stuff back for the playoffs?

We can be understanding and thankful that Thibs adjusted but he isn't holding anything back during the regular season. That is blasphemy.



Yeah, he literally had no choice, the switching started when Precious came on the floor and then when we had no center on the floor because Mitch was gassed and KAT was in foul trouble. We stumbled into that because of problems, not some tactical idea, you don't wait till you're down 20 to start the master plan that you've been holding onto :lol:


We were switching out of the gate



We weren't switching and leaving guys on islands, we were shading when Tatum had the ball early.

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Mikal takes away the drive to the right, but if Tatum had seen KP was open, that was a three he takes and makes more often than not or a pass he makes and KP passes and gets us into rotation because Mikal is helping. When he went out the game, the outlet for deep threes vanished and we could switch / not shade as much. You saw our guys defend more on an island without help, sinking or shading nearly the same way.


Edit - There were shots early on by Tatum where we were still dropping before closing out too.
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Re: PG: BELIEVE 

Post#772 » by Context » Tue May 6, 2025 4:52 pm

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Strick wrote:He was hobbling out there too at one point. Incredible testament to him and his availability. True iron man in the game

I’m watching the msg post game right now…
They were down 20- I didn’t we would come back -I thought we looked better than I thought we would and that the loss would be on Kat for fouling. This team truly believes and doesn’t quit till it’s over. Wow!

As frustrating as it has been at times, this team has played a TON of close games. They know how to win those games and they have seen what has lost them games in those situations. Other teams we may play like Boston may not have as many games close games played as we have

If it’s a one or two possession game in the last 3-5 mins in the game, I like our chances

100% bro.
and btw, this was a good game for Deuce. He looked like his old self and he looked like he had the same energy as the rest of our Knicks. They seem to have taken it personally. I think the disrespect from many during the Piston series and the deep disrespect before the start of this series have our guys in the hunting mode...
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Re: PG: BELIEVE 

Post#774 » by GONYK » Tue May 6, 2025 4:54 pm

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
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Yeah, he literally had no choice, the switching started when Precious came on the floor and then when we had no center on the floor because Mitch was gassed and KAT was in foul trouble. We stumbled into that because of problems, not some tactical idea, you don't wait till you're down 20 to start the master plan that you've been holding onto :lol:


We were switching out of the gate



We weren't switching and leaving guys on islands, we were shading when Tatum had the ball early.

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Mikal takes away the drive to the right, but if Tatum had seen KP was open, that was a three he takes and makes more often than not or a pass he makes and KP passes and gets us into rotation because Mikal is helping. When he went out the game, the outlet for deep threes vanished and we could switch / not shade as much. You saw our guys defend more on an island without help, sinking or shading nearly the same way.


I mean, this is a bit semantic. We were shading, but then we did settle into the switch. We weren't going into drop and still meeting shooters at the level. The shade was to keep 1 and 5 out of the full switch if possible.

Even the reporters were noting that.

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You're saying that the switch was more of a concession than the initial response, but it is still a tactical difference from what we did defensively all season and we did it out the gate.
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Post#775 » by Context » Tue May 6, 2025 4:55 pm

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Ah, there he is :lol:

He said "Mikal Bridges 47,000 minutes!" :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: PG: BELIEVE 

Post#776 » by mpharris36 » Tue May 6, 2025 4:57 pm

GONYK wrote:
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We were switching out of the gate



We weren't switching and leaving guys on islands, we were shading when Tatum had the ball early.

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Mikal takes away the drive to the right, but if Tatum had seen KP was open, that was a three he takes and makes more often than not or a pass he makes and KP passes and gets us into rotation because Mikal is helping. When he went out the game, the outlet for deep threes vanished and we could switch / not shade as much. You saw our guys defend more on an island without help, sinking or shading nearly the same way.


I mean, this is a bit semantic. We were shading, but then we did settle into the switch. We weren't going into drop and still meeting shooters at the level.

You're saying that the switch was more of a concession than the initial response, but it is still a tactical difference from what we did defensively all season and we did it out the gate.



I agree we came into the game to switch every action outside of Brunson (where he was to show on Tatum or the ball handlers and recover back to Holiday). That is the right approach. We sometimes shaded to help drives or just left some guys on a island but I agree mainly that is semantics. The defensive scheme was to basically switch all screens outside of Brunson.

KAT picked up his two early fouls because of switching but it still is the right gameplan.

Like I said I give credit where credit is due. I'm glad he switched up the defense to go primarily switching. I don't think he had a choice. But I also think its crazy town to think Thibs of all people is holding back defensive schemes and gameplans for the playoffs. I mean we know enough about THibs that he treats a game in Novemeber as game 7 of the playoffs.
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Re: PG: BELIEVE 

Post#778 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Tue May 6, 2025 5:00 pm

GONYK wrote:
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We were switching out of the gate



We weren't switching and leaving guys on islands, we were shading when Tatum had the ball early.

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Mikal takes away the drive to the right, but if Tatum had seen KP was open, that was a three he takes and makes more often than not or a pass he makes and KP passes and gets us into rotation because Mikal is helping. When he went out the game, the outlet for deep threes vanished and we could switch / not shade as much. You saw our guys defend more on an island without help, sinking or shading nearly the same way.


I mean, this is a bit semantic. We were shading, but then we did settle into the switch. We weren't going into drop and still meeting shooters at the level.

You're saying that the switch was more of a concession than the initial response, but it is still a tactical difference from what we did defensively all season and we did it out the gate.




The first three he hit in the game was because Brunson/KAT failed to switch, there were also several plays early on where it looked like neither Mitch or KAT knew whether to switch or not and other times they got caught in a half drop before flying out to him, they left KP to help sometimes, even though KP was 26 feet from the hoop. The first committed man on an island with no help, shade, or dig down was Precious in that clip.

I don't think it's semantic at all, the defense can be much more aggressive if KP is out of the game due to HIV/AIDs.
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Re: PG: BELIEVE 

Post#779 » by Iron Mantis » Tue May 6, 2025 5:03 pm

knicksstuff wrote:
Iron Mantis wrote:I heard someone say that the tracking data says the Celtics had 45 wide open 3-point attempts. ...

Can anyone confirm this?


According to NBA.com
wide open (6+ feet): 7/24 from 3
open (4-6 feet): 7/32 from 3
tight (2-4 feet ): 1/4 from 3

:o disgusting

That's an insane amount of uncontested threes...

There's no way we can win this series without defending the three.
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Re: PG: BELIEVE 

Post#780 » by 3toheadmelo » Tue May 6, 2025 5:05 pm

Shout out to Thibs for holding back in the regular season. Had everyone fooled we were gonna do drop coverage. Love this coach.
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