PG: Awful gameplan, not prepared, not 1 good performance

[Reign23]

y'all have short memories. kat was out there with bench guys to start the 4th against the hali-less pacers and it wasn't going well. we were losing those minutes. that lineup didn't repeat it's 2nd quarter success.

speaking of losing his minutes..

[Gravy]

Both teams have stretches where they play as poorly as each other. The Pacers just have better individual offensive players and more consistent shooters. Knicks fans seem to think Delon Wright is as good as Mathurin and KAT is Dirk.

[whocares1]

trying to act like mitch hasn't played well in the playoffs because of 1 game. please. he has a better plus minus for the playoffs than any of the regular starters.

He has played well and largely I felt like he was getting hacked a lot last night..but Carlisle made some adjustments on him which has neutralized his contributions on both ends. I think it’s also why Thibs ran Hart way more and ofc Towns went off both times with Robinson sitting.

I think he’d be better in short bursts and potentially in drop coverage instead of switching onto Hali which compromised us down low.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

KAT 3 FGA in the make or break quarter for us

No excuses

tbh I think he was tired af in the last quarter. he carried us (once again) in the second, but those drives to the basket are so damn exhausting and tough.
overall he was probably still our best player despite cooling off big time in the second half.

It's still pretty bad that we don't post, and repost him when Obi/Siakam are on the floor, that frontcourt has no chance of guarding him but they get away with it because he never gets the ball back after he passes out.

[mpharris36]

How is defense not manageable? What some of you are saying is we will never have a shot as long as Brunson is here if you don't think we can win this type of series right now...because its not the offense its how bad our defense is when Brunson is on the court.

But you would think at some point we would change things around. Mix in a zone, pre-switch Brunson out of the screens so that Indy can just pick on Brunson/KAT.

Basically there is no point in having Mikal and OG because if its just that easy to screen them off there best offensive player then what is there value.

KAT and Brunson lead the Knicks in DFG against this playoffs...for example Haliburton the pacers worst defender is 3rd on the team in DFG against in the playoffs...with Nesmith right behind him and Turner and Nembhard two good defenders 1 and 2.

That is why coaching matters!

Its on the margins and we are losing those battles.

We will not win with Brunson playing this way. You don't need to bring him into a pnr. Just go at him. We have to play zone to hide him.

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we certainly have to mix up coverages to keep teams guessing on how to attack our weak defenders...just giving them the gameplan with zero adjustments every game is why Thibs needs to be the first one gone.

Again I respect all that he has done up to this point. There is absolutely no shame in him reaching the ceiling with this roster. It is what it is. But its time to move on.

[god shammgod]

y'all have short memories. kat was out there with bench guys to start the 4th against the hali-less pacers and it wasn't going well. we were losing those minutes. that lineup didn't repeat it's 2nd quarter success.

speaking of losing his minutes..

excuse me ?

[god shammgod]

How is defense not manageable? What some of you are saying is we will never have a shot as long as Brunson is here if you don't think we can win this type of series right now...because its not the offense its how bad our defense is when Brunson is on the court.

But you would think at some point we would change things around. Mix in a zone, pre-switch Brunson out of the screens so that Indy can just pick on Brunson/KAT.

Basically there is no point in having Mikal and OG because if its just that easy to screen them off there best offensive player then what is there value.

KAT and Brunson lead the Knicks in DFG against this playoffs...for example Haliburton the pacers worst defender is 3rd on the team in DFG against in the playoffs...with Nesmith right behind him and Turner and Nembhard two good defenders 1 and 2.

That is why coaching matters!

Its on the margins and we are losing those battles.

We will not win with Brunson playing this way. You don't need to bring him into a pnr. Just go at him. We have to play zone to hide him.

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we certainly have to mix up coverages to keep teams guessing on how to attack our weak defenders...just giving them the gameplan with zero adjustments every game is why Thibs needs to be the first one gone.

Again I respect all that he has done up to this point. There is absolutely no shame in him reaching the ceiling with this roster. It is what it is. But its time to move on.

or the roster itself has reached it's ceiling. no way to prove either.

[Reign23]

y'all have short memories. kat was out there with bench guys to start the 4th against the hali-less pacers and it wasn't going well. we were losing those minutes. that lineup didn't repeat it's 2nd quarter success.

speaking of losing his minutes..

excuse me ?

nevermind. but yeah we lost the minutes you've mentioned because KAT was already a step slower at that time. Did a lot of heavy lifting again in this one and it showed.

[HEZI]

2 big lineup didn't even play 15 minutes together, KAT got into foul trouble and left, then Hart came in, sped up the game like an idiot and started throwing perfect passes to the Pacers who had 20 pts off turnovers.

You picked quite the day to defend Hart, he had as many assists to the Pacers as anyone did our team to each other.

Perfect day to defend him seeing as how your lineup has us looking the worst we looked all year.

Every time Hart checked into the game we were losing and the only time we came back was with him on the floor. Your boy was -20 and getting punked by the weak Pacers frontline you claimed he would dominate against.

The big lineup played 5-10 minutes together, Hart played starter minutes. I also think it's funny that we can just blame Hart then, since he's the one that suggested it


20 points off turnovers, we lost the game by 9 points, and Hart had 5 turnovers with 1 lonely assist. It's not hard to see why we lost the game, I mean this was normal -

Your two big lineup got us playing Precious Achiuwa out of desperation

We had 17 turnovers as a team. How many points did we get back from his offensive rebounds? Plenty

Josh was -1 for the game and your boy was -20

Josh helped keep us in the game otherwise it would have been a complete blowout from the jump if we kept rolling with your lineup

[whocares1]

speaking of losing his minutes..

excuse me ?

nevermind. but yeah we lost the minutes you've mentioned because KAT was already a step slower at that time. Did a lot of heavy lifting again in this one and it showed.

He also didn’t get his traditional rest to end the third quarter either bc they needed him to help with the scoring.

[Reign23]

i really don’t think thibs is getting a boot after we got to the ecf.. sorry to break it to some of you

this. no matter if wrong or right, but this ain't happening.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

We will not win with Brunson playing this way. You don't need to bring him into a pnr. Just go at him. We have to play zone to hide him.

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we certainly have to mix up coverages to keep teams guessing on how to attack our weak defenders...just giving them the gameplan with zero adjustments every game is why Thibs needs to be the first one gone.

Again I respect all that he has done up to this point. There is absolutely no shame in him reaching the ceiling with this roster. It is what it is. But its time to move on.

or the roster itself has reached it's ceiling. no way to prove either.

It's Mikal, if he were the guy they thought they were getting, we'd be winning this series with ease. Losing his shot and being afraid of contact is just death. We're going through what the Sixer fans went through over the years with Ben Simmons culminating in passing up on that layup against the Hawks, except it's all happened in one season for us with him.

[god shammgod]

speaking of losing his minutes..

excuse me ?

nevermind. but yeah we lost the minutes you've mentioned because KAT was already a step slower at that time. Did a lot of heavy lifting again in this one and it showed.

if you're talking about mitch, i think he never got back in the game during 4th because we were in the penalty so quickly and the fear is they just start hacking him

and i'm not saying it's all kat's fault. i remember a dumb shamet shot. a wright turnover where he forget how to dribble. that lineup just couldn't repeat it's success and the pacers brought hali back pretty quickly and he wrapped it up.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Perfect day to defend him seeing as how your lineup has us looking the worst we looked all year.

Every time Hart checked into the game we were losing and the only time we came back was with him on the floor. Your boy was -20 and getting punked by the weak Pacers frontline you claimed he would dominate against.

The big lineup played 5-10 minutes together, Hart played starter minutes. I also think it's funny that we can just blame Hart then, since he's the one that suggested it


20 points off turnovers, we lost the game by 9 points, and Hart had 5 turnovers with 1 lonely assist. It's not hard to see why we lost the game, I mean this was normal -

Your two big lineup got us playing Precious Achiuwa out of desperation

We had 17 turnovers as a team. How many points did we get back from his offensive rebounds? Plenty

Josh was -1 for the game and your boy was -20

Josh helped keep us in the game otherwise it would have been a complete blowout from the jump if we kept rolling with your lineup

9 point loss, I have just shown you 3 turnovers that resulted in 6 points. Keep defending

[mpharris36]

We will not win with Brunson playing this way. You don't need to bring him into a pnr. Just go at him. We have to play zone to hide him.

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we certainly have to mix up coverages to keep teams guessing on how to attack our weak defenders...just giving them the gameplan with zero adjustments every game is why Thibs needs to be the first one gone.

Again I respect all that he has done up to this point. There is absolutely no shame in him reaching the ceiling with this roster. It is what it is. But its time to move on.

or the roster itself has reached it's ceiling. no way to prove either.

you can with a new coach...and you know this is always the first domino to fall. Otherwise than it turns to a FO problem.

I have pointed out stuff on the margins which may not have one this series but likely would have kept it close.

I know your a "players play" type guy. I get to an extent but Thibs rotations and lack of timeouts were the reason we lost game 1. He took out Mitch and Deuce when the pacers needed to score in bunches. Unacceptable. He let 3 minutes go without calling a single timeout to adjust the defensive coverage to get everyone on the same page for the Nesmith barrage. After 1 open 3 I call a timeout...at worst after 2 3's...not after 6 **** 3's!

Then we let KAT and Brunson get picked on defensively...and just let Mikal and OG get screened and Mitch now starts games on Myles Turrner where Carlise thinking 2 steps ahead of him just puts Turner in the corner and makes Mitch impact basically nothing.

Its not good coaching man...simple as that.

[Capn'O]

Horford also looked a bit washed - and Brown was banged up etc. Shooting variance worked in the knicks favor.

It's fine to accept it was largely a fluke.

So their players are either known for being perpetually injured or are washed and they play an inconsistent style of basketball that can’t always be relied on. Not sure how that makes it a fluke per se. Yes there are dream scenarios where things could have gone better for them. Could say the same about us in this series. Or any team.

you can also say this series would be tied if not for a fluke. it doesn't matter because that version of boston is never coming back. we don't have to worry about them in the future.

And also it's not tied.

[K_ick_God]

There was a rebound where someone was grabbing and mugging OG and they didn’t call a foul

Late game

[whocares1]

Mikal and RG have thoroughly underperformed in these playoffs.

I have no issues with the way Mitch, Deuce and KAT have played. Perhaps uneven, but on average they have been positives for us.

Brunson was great the first two rounds, but is a liability in the current series.

Our "wingstop" duo have played like two RJs on offense. Defensively they're doing the work but they haven't been consistently elite either.

What about Hart?

[whocares1]

The big lineup played 5-10 minutes together, Hart played starter minutes. I also think it's funny that we can just blame Hart then, since he's the one that suggested it


20 points off turnovers, we lost the game by 9 points, and Hart had 5 turnovers with 1 lonely assist. It's not hard to see why we lost the game, I mean this was normal -

Your two big lineup got us playing Precious Achiuwa out of desperation

We had 17 turnovers as a team. How many points did we get back from his offensive rebounds? Plenty

Josh was -1 for the game and your boy was -20

Josh helped keep us in the game otherwise it would have been a complete blowout from the jump if we kept rolling with your lineup

9 point loss, I have just shown you 3 turnovers that resulted in 6 points. Keep defending

How do you have all these clips ready like that? Lol.

[god shammgod]

we certainly have to mix up coverages to keep teams guessing on how to attack our weak defenders...just giving them the gameplan with zero adjustments every game is why Thibs needs to be the first one gone.

Again I respect all that he has done up to this point. There is absolutely no shame in him reaching the ceiling with this roster. It is what it is. But its time to move on.

or the roster itself has reached it's ceiling. no way to prove either.

It's Mikal, if he were the guy they thought they were getting, we'd be winning this series with ease. Losing his shot and being afraid of contact is just death. We're going through what the Sixer fans went through over the years with Ben Simmons culminating in passing up on that layup against the Hawks, except it's all happened in one season for us with him.

i won't argue that. he's not close to fulfilling the cost we paid for him. he's had moments where he's been great for shorter stretches in big moments in the playoffs but his inconsistency is maddening. we got him to be a 3 & d player who could also do more. but the shot got messed up before we ever got him and the defense, while good at times, is not consistent enough. so he's not even really being a good role player.