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[ewingxmanstarks]

Typical....Anyway, i hope your the first to fly on an environmentaly friendly plane.
good luck with ur colledge classes...say hi to your marxsist professors for me.

[Charcoal Filtered]

Fuller I don't think you've been following the events very well. 62 Japanese workers at the plants have been diagnosed with serious radiation sickness and they are going to die. Reactor #1's external building made of thick concrete and steel exploded 100s of feet into the air as did #3. The explosion does not occur without the release of radiation and gases from the core. Reactor #2 sustained a serious explosion internally today that has the Japanese saying they think the primary containment is breached. All cooling has ceased at that reactor. Reactor #4 was never online but they were storing spent fuel there and that has caught fire and is melting. They have recorded dangerous levels of radiation throughout a 10km zone around the plant. They have recorded radiation of some form as much as 100 miles from the plant. 100s have been treated for light exposure around that area.

Yet you're telling us it's all a lie made up by the oil companies and the media has been paid off to cause hysteria?

Sorry man but you're so very very misinformed.

Where are you getting your info? Just read the Yahoo article and no where does it say that 62 people are going to die from radiation poisoning.

I think with anything media related they always sensationalize in order to get more readers. With this incident, I just wish they would make the distinction between radiation and contamination.

[seren]

Typical....Anyway, i hope your the first to fly on an environmentaly friendly plane.
good luck with ur colledge classes...say hi to your marxsist professors for me.

I know what you did there. LOL.

[ewingxmanstarks]

yea great i did nothing there..just like u, but then i grew up, and if u ever grow up...you'll understand how dumb you sound now.

[thebuzzardman]

I thought the high gas prices had more to do w/ the amount of money or percentage of money that Investment Banks are allowed to put into Energy commodities, and that the incessant speculation\placed to dump money when other things aren't going well has led to the large swings in prices, mostly upward, out of proportion to other market forces in the past.

Becuase for all the "free market" whohaw, there is ALWAYS forms of regulations, and the above regulations were eased, to the benefits of the banks and to the detriment of most citizens.

Now, I'm not blaming it on Bush, though I think that is who eased the regs, or the Republicans; fact is the bank fat cats would have lobbied whoever and gotten the laws passed their way. Democrat or Republican, doens't matter too much when the big $$$ are at stake.

And I work at a large bank, am a grownup, understand how the world can be sometimes, but simple fact is, people have gotten f*n greedy the last 10 years. Making money if fine. Making lots of money is more fine. Being an F*n pig about it in regards to rest of society is not.

[Capn'O]

yea great i did nothing there..just like u, but then i grew up, and if u ever grow up...you'll understand how dumb you sound now.

Now, you see that seren? Grown ups RARELY spell out "you" and reply to cogent thoughts with insulting one liners. That's maturity right there, seren so GROW UP!!!



As for the OP, I appreciate your thoughts on the explosions but the reports of radiation exposure to the plant's workers are still rampant... like this one:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/ma ... lear-plant

Where is the radiation coming from? Has it been contained? These are real questions.

[roro]

It also interesting than GE were the ones who built many of nuclear plants after WW2, and General Electric is a parent company of msnbc.

[prs]

They've been doing live pressers on nico. Learn some Japanese and watch that and you won't need to worry about conspiracy theories.

[ewingxmanstarks]

yea great i did nothing there..just like u, but then i grew up, and if u ever grow up...you'll understand how dumb you sound now.

Now, you see that seren? Grown ups RARELY spell out "you" and reply to cogent thoughts with insulting one liners. That's maturity right there, seren so GROW UP!!!

whatevver

As for the OP, I appreciate your thoughts on the explosions but the reports of radiation exposure to the plant's workers are still rampant... like this one:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/ma ... lear-plant

Where is the radiation coming from? Has it been contained? These are real questions.

[Pharmcat]

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/1 ... re/?hpt=T2

why are they apologizing? i dont get it.

[ewingxmanstarks]

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/15/airline-apologizes-for-plane-prayer-scare/?hpt=T2

why are they apologizing? i dont get it.

Are u saying that u think the airline was appropriate in perceiving these men as a potential threat?
If so, please explain that.

[Pharmcat]

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/15/airline-apologizes-for-plane-prayer-scare/?hpt=T2

why are they apologizing? i dont get it.

Are u saying that u think the airline was appropriate in perceiving these men as a potential threat?
If so, please explain that.

from the article

Flight attendants instructed everyone to stay seated with their seatbelts fastened as the aircraft flew through turbulence shortly after takeoff. The three passengers disregarded repeated requests, however, and stood up several times to retrieve objects from their luggage in the overhead bin that the crew had never seen, including small black boxes fastened with what appeared to be black tape. The crew learned after the plane landed that these were tefillin boxes worn during the prayer ritual.

and

The men prayed aloud together in a language unfamiliar to the crew while wearing what appeared to be black tape and wires strapped to their forearms and foreheads and wires on their chests. Their actions and behavior made some other travelers and the crew uneasy. The three passengers responded, but provided very little explanation, to a flight attendant’s questions about the tefillin boxes and what they were doing.

yes the suspicion seems ok to understand, i dont see the need to apologize for anything

[ewingxmanstarks]

i didn't read the whole thing....I stand corrected

[ewingxmanstarks]

yea great i did nothing there..just like u, but then i grew up, and if u ever grow up...you'll understand how dumb you sound now.

Now, you see that seren? Grown ups RARELY spell out "you" and reply to cogent thoughts with insulting one liners. That's maturity right there, seren so GROW UP!!!

Just so u know i wasn't referring to the kids maturity in the sense ur describing....i was referring to world view...saying oil, coal, and nuclear are evil is kids thinking,...shows an under developed world view...i don't know him I can't comment on how mature he is....no one ever rightly accused me of being mature, but stickling up for ur buddie is cool, but u didn't do it in a mature way being that ur so mature.

As for the OP, I appreciate your thoughts on the explosions but the reports of radiation exposure to the plant's workers are still rampant... like this one:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/ma ... lear-plant

Where is the radiation coming from? Has it been contained? These are real questions.

[mugzi]

And I work at a large bank, am a grownup, understand how the world can be sometimes, but simple fact is, people have gotten f*n greedy the last 10 years. Making money if fine. Making lots of money is more fine. Being an F*n pig about it in regards to rest of society is not.

I dont disagree with you, except for this last part. People have always been greedy. Human nature doesn't change.

Look at history, the Egyptians enslaved the Jews, then you had empires from the Roman to the Ottoman subjugating people. The Middle ages, fiefs, serfdom, the birth of America, slavery here, the caste system in India, etc etc.

The point I'm making is that in just these few examples Ive shown there's been a small group of people acting like pigs towards their fellow man. And this was justified on racial superiority, colonialism, etc.

There's only two types of people in this global society now. The rich and the rest of us. Not black, white, chinese, latin, etc etc.

Now do certain people with certain political leanings and agendas try to make everything about race, sure but if you look deeper the root cause of nearly all human suffering has to do with money, those who don't have it are beholden to those who do. It's still slavery, just a softer type with a different name and face.

Communists and socialists would have you believe capitalism is the root cause of all that ails this global economy. Yet everytime they try their enlightened brand of economic egalitarianism it doesn't work. Why is that? Well part of it is corruption by the state, large amounts of a nations wealth controlled by the elite in power.

This may shock my adversaries on this thread but I'd have no problem with communism under one condition. That the leaders of the communist nation had to live in the same exact kind of house, drive the same type of car and be limited to the same food, furniture and other amenities that their proletariat would receive.

But that would never happen. Because then the leaders of said nation would be subjected to the same sub standard conditions that their people have to endure. Communism loses it's cache for a gov't official when they can't hoard their nations wealth and divvy it up amongst the chosen few.

So lets look at what capitalism has actually done for the world and this nation in particular. Well it has made America the richest most prosperous nation on earth. Is that evil? Flawed as they may be the US capital markets are the greatest engine of wealth creation this planet has ever seen.

Capitalism isnt perfect but it's the best system that's been introduced so far. And unless people think that a NWO one govt global communism will be better, which it wont, then I dont see things changing anytime within our lifetimes.

[fullermd]

Fuller I don't think you've been following the events very well. 62 Japanese workers at the plants have been diagnosed with serious radiation sickness and they are going to die. Reactor #1's external building made of thick concrete and steel exploded 100s of feet into the air as did #3. The explosion does not occur without the release of radiation and gases from the core. Reactor #2 sustained a serious explosion internally today that has the Japanese saying they think the primary containment is breached. All cooling has ceased at that reactor. Reactor #4 was never online but they were storing spent fuel there and that has caught fire and is melting. They have recorded dangerous levels of radiation throughout a 10km zone around the plant. They have recorded radiation of some form as much as 100 miles from the plant. 100s have been treated for light exposure around that area.

Yet you're telling us it's all a lie made up by the oil companies and the media has been paid off to cause hysteria?

Sorry man but you're so very very misinformed.

In my previous posts I mentioned that it did matter where the fire was. If it is in the fuel, then yes there are serious problems. However, at the time no mention of the fuel being on fire was made. Anyone that goes into the reactor compartment is within a shielded volume and subject to high radiation levels. But those outside of it are safe from the radiation if the containment is not breached. So it doesn't suprise me that some of the workers have high exposure. For them to die is a poor management of what is called man-rem. The idea is that you can rotate people out, monitoring each persons exposure so that no one person receives harmful levels.


Based on the information that was out at the time, and the way that the media explained it, which was not technically accurate...the details were not.... made the story seem over exaggerated. That may be to the technically incaccurate phrases and terminology used by the news networks. At any rate, yes, if fuel is on fire, there is a problem. And, my first question would be how? The other side of this is that Japan doesn't have the Nuclear Regulatory Commission and may not have the safegaurds required here in the U.S. To not have redundant means of decay heat removal in a plant sounds really odd.

If I am mis-informed it is due to the source of my information--the networks. For me their reports were invalidated because they were full of technical inaccuracies.

[richardhutnik]

Remember the thread on here recently about how NPR is in bed with the Muslim Brotherhood or something?

Well, it is interesting that Glenn Beck's website did an analysis of the actual video, and considered the editing suspect:
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/blaze-s ... -reaction/

- Rich

[Capn'O]

was referring to world view...saying oil, coal, and nuclear are evil is kids thinking,...shows an under developed world view

Thanks for clarifying that. I'm sick of seeing these political threads... and the political process in general, devolve into name calling and ad hominem attacks. These issues are too important for that.

I actually agree on the folly of that worldview. 40 to 50 years ago we saw these same technologies championed and proliferated as saviors of the country. Now they are now vilified - for fair reasons but you know that a lot of the same people wagging their fingers at the oil companies aren't making any lifestyle changes themselves. I don't really think of them as good or bad anymore, but do I think the writing is on the wall for the fossil fuel industry (and I can tell that they can read it themselves). All in all, that will be a good thing as anyone who has ever happened across a mouthful of car exhaust will readily tell you of its ill effects beyond climate change. The byproducts are just not good for ya.

I don't see how a transition to cleaner, viable energy options is anything but a good thing all in all. And they are becoming more viable by the year.

[richardhutnik]

In other news, Anonymous is going after the Federal Reserve and the banking system:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7D6neBzTnOQ[/youtube]

- Rich

[Capn'O]

And I work at a large bank, am a grownup, understand how the world can be sometimes, but simple fact is, people have gotten f*n greedy the last 10 years. Making money if fine. Making lots of money is more fine. Being an F*n pig about it in regards to rest of society is not.

I dont disagree with you, except for this last part. People have always been greedy. Human nature doesn't change.

Look at history, the Egyptians enslaved the Jews, then you had empires from the Roman to the Ottoman subjugating people. The Middle ages, fiefs, serfdom, the birth of America, slavery here, the caste system in India, etc etc.

The point I'm making is that in just these few examples Ive shown there's been a small group of people acting like pigs towards their fellow man. And this was justified on racial superiority, colonialism, etc.

There's only two types of people in this global society now. The rich and the rest of us. Not black, white, chinese, latin, etc etc.

Now do certain people with certain political leanings and agendas try to make everything about race, sure but if you look deeper the root cause of nearly all human suffering has to do with money, those who don't have it are beholden to those who do. It's still slavery, just a softer type with a different name and face.

Communists and socialists would have you believe capitalism is the root cause of all that ails this global economy. Yet everytime they try their enlightened brand of economic egalitarianism it doesn't work. Why is that? Well part of it is corruption by the state, large amounts of a nations wealth controlled by the elite in power.

This may shock my adversaries on this thread but I'd have no problem with communism under one condition. That the leaders of the communist nation had to live in the same exact kind of house, drive the same type of car and be limited to the same food, furniture and other amenities that their proletariat would receive.

But that would never happen. Because then the leaders of said nation would be subjected to the same sub standard conditions that their people have to endure. Communism loses it's cache for a gov't official when they can't hoard their nations wealth and divvy it up amongst the chosen few.

So lets look at what capitalism has actually done for the world and this nation in particular. Well it has made America the richest most prosperous nation on earth. Is that evil? Flawed as they may be the US capital markets are the greatest engine of wealth creation this planet has ever seen.

Capitalism isnt perfect but it's the best system that's been introduced so far. And unless people think that a NWO one govt global communism will be better, which it wont, then I dont see things changing anytime within our lifetimes.

Mugzi, you make some interesting posts when you go off of the attack. I wonder though, if you believe what I bolded, why you wouldn't support political measures within a capitalist society that would work to safeguard the poor and make sure some resources are allocated for their well being and infrastructure? I tend to think that free markets push the intellectual engine as well as the economic one within the country but that a mix of socialist policy is necessary to ensure a degree of stability and opportunity that wouldn't exist in a strictly capitalist society... there are certain things that government does well and certain things it doesn't (and I think you would be surprised at some of the things I think it doesn't do well...)