Towns or Okafor or Mudiay or Russel?

atlnyk · Post #781 » by **atlnyk** » Thu Mar 5, 2015 8:38 am

I think it's also important to remember that the Knicks will absolutely work out anyone they are considering before the draft. That's an important and critical step.

GYK · Post #782 » by **GYK** » Thu Mar 5, 2015 1:18 pm

Russell is a SG. He plays point but he isn't the athlete Westbrook is nor has the handle of Curry/Kyrie or even Damian(who he reminds me of). He's certainly good might be great in the league but I'm sure he's a future two guard.

Sprewell4Three · Post #783 » by **Sprewell4Three** » Thu Mar 5, 2015 1:28 pm

GYK wrote:Russell is a SG. He plays point but he isn't the athlete Westbrook is nor has the handle of Curry/Kyrie or even Damian(who he reminds me of). He's certainly good might be great in the league but I'm sure he's a future two guard.

Curry didn't have the handle in college , he developed it in the pros. Russell can develop his handle more in the pros.

Sprewell4Three · Post #784 » by **Sprewell4Three** » Thu Mar 5, 2015 1:49 pm

I've never been too impressed with Towns. Since his days in the Olympics , I always thought he was just another guy. Not that athletic, lack of explosion. Don't get me wrong he can contribute on offense and defense but how long it's going to take him to reach his full potential? We're talking about 3-4 years. He's a jack of all trades master of none.
I think he would benefit from another year in college. But he wont because some team will draft him top 5.

Russell and Mudiay are the guards I'm intrigued about with our pick if we don't land the 1st one. This is a guard orientated league. All the MVP candidates in today's NBA are guards that can penetrate to dish and or score. We've been lacking that kind of player since Linsanity 20 game?? Look how that turned our team around much more than anything else.

MaseInYourFace · Post #785 » by **MaseInYourFace** » Thu Mar 5, 2015 2:15 pm

I'm starting to lean towards Towns and Russel and then Mudiay. There are huge warning bells with Okafor when it comes to defense.

MaseInYourFace · Post #786 » by **MaseInYourFace** » Thu Mar 5, 2015 2:18 pm

Juggynaut wrote:I'm really not a fan of Mudiay. I'll take Mario Hezonja over him and I think by the time the draft comes around, other teams will too.

That avi though.

Post #787 » by **mpharris36** » Thu Mar 5, 2015 3:05 pm

MaseInYourFace wrote:
Juggynaut wrote:I'm really not a fan of Mudiay. I'll take Mario Hezonja over him and I think by the time the draft comes around, other teams will too.

That avi though.

is that allowed?
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god shammgod · Post #788 » by **god shammgod** » Thu Mar 5, 2015 3:07 pm

i still want one of the guards.

Post #789 » by **mpharris36** » Thu Mar 5, 2015 3:11 pm

god shammgod wrote:i still want one of the guards.

your a guard guy, we know

camillepd · Post #790 » by **camillepd** » Thu Mar 5, 2015 3:18 pm

Sprewell4Three wrote:
GYK wrote:Russell is a SG. He plays point but he isn't the athlete Westbrook is nor has the handle of Curry/Kyrie or even Damian(who he reminds me of). He's certainly good might be great in the league but I'm sure he's a future two guard.

Curry didn't have the handle in college , he developed it in the pros. Russell can develop his handle more in the pros.

this.

camillepd · Post #791 » by **camillepd** » Thu Mar 5, 2015 3:21 pm

echelonNYK wrote:Draft Russell. Simple.

I am starting to think the same. Russell will be a star in the NBA.

god shammgod · Post #792 » by **god shammgod** » Thu Mar 5, 2015 3:23 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
god shammgod wrote:i still want one of the guards.

your a guard guy, we know

i am. but i'm also being practical. if there was some kind of clear separation between the top 4 i wouldn't say this but there doesn't appear to be a franchise changer in this draft. maybe the tournament will change my mind and one of the bigs will step up but right now they both need work somewhat. towns looks like he'll take a while to know what he is. and okafor is not all of a sudden gonna get good on d. the guards will be contributing quicker. this is not a patient place to develop a rookie and after this year the level of impatience will be at an all time high. plus the free agent market is all bigs. if the knicks want to get a talented guard, which is more important then ever to have, this might be their only chance.

Post #793 » by **mpharris36** » Thu Mar 5, 2015 3:33 pm

god shammgod wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
god shammgod wrote:i still want one of the guards.

your a guard guy, we know

i am. but i'm also being practical. if there was some kind of clear separation between the top 4 i wouldn't say this but there doesn't appear to be a franchise changer in this draft. maybe the tournament will change my mind and one of the bigs will step up but right now they both need work somewhat. towns looks like he'll take a while to know what he is. and okafor is not all of a sudden gonna get good on d. the guards will be contributing quicker. this is not a patient place to develop a rookie and after this year the level of impatience will be at an all time high. plus the free agent market is all bigs. if the knicks want to get a talented guard, which is more important then ever to have, this might be their only chance.

I understand your point of view. But I also know you aren't a fan of Monroe. So unless you can get Gasol or Aldridge to come as a free agent who exactly do you want to play the PF and Center positions next year?

Right now there are a lot more available guards in FA. Wes Matthews, Danny Green, Khris Middelton, Jimmy Butler. Meaning if we pay them they could come.

How many contributing bigs are available? I think we can find scoring in FA. What I don't think we can find is a franchise big which both of these guys are. Okafor will score well right away in the league. Towns is more of a balance big. You could see 10 points 8 rebounds and a couple of blocks per game. Which is something we desperately need.

Trust me I am also a big fan of Russell. However not sold on Mudiay. He has the most unknown in his game and I don't think we can take that big of a risk on him being a bust.

Sprewell4Three · Post #794 » by **Sprewell4Three** » Thu Mar 5, 2015 4:31 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
your a guard guy, we know

i am. but i'm also being practical. if there was some kind of clear separation between the top 4 i wouldn't say this but there doesn't appear to be a franchise changer in this draft. maybe the tournament will change my mind and one of the bigs will step up but right now they both need work somewhat. towns looks like he'll take a while to know what he is. and okafor is not all of a sudden gonna get good on d. the guards will be contributing quicker. this is not a patient place to develop a rookie and after this year the level of impatience will be at an all time high. plus the free agent market is all bigs. if the knicks want to get a talented guard, which is more important then ever to have, this might be their only chance.

I understand your point of view. But I also know you aren't a fan of Monroe. So unless you can get Gasol or Aldridge to come as a free agent who exactly do you want to play the PF and Center positions next year?

Right now there are a lot more available guards in FA. Wes Matthews, Danny Green, Khris Middelton, Jimmy Butler. Meaning if we pay them they could come.

How many contributing bigs are available? I think we can find scoring in FA. What I don't think we can find is a franchise big which both of these guys are. Okafor will score well right away in the league. Towns is more of a balance big. You could see 10 points 8 rebounds and a couple of blocks per game. Which is something we desperately need.

Trust me I am also a big fan of Russell. However not sold on Mudiay. He has the most unknown in his game and I don't think we can take that big of a risk on him being a bust.

Not a huge fan of any of those. If Russell and or Mudiay are the next big thing at the guard position, I'd rather take a chance on those guys than over paying for average guards in FA. Jimmy Butler will not be as good as advertised In his next contract. The injuries are piling up thanks to Thibs over playing him.

GYK · Post #795 » by **GYK** » Thu Mar 5, 2015 4:33 pm

Sprewell4Three wrote:
GYK wrote:Russell is a SG. He plays point but he isn't the athlete Westbrook is nor has the handle of Curry/Kyrie or even Damian(who he reminds me of). He's certainly good might be great in the league but I'm sure he's a future two guard.

Curry didn't have the handle in college , he developed it in the pros. Russell can develop his handle more in the pros.

Untrue sir. He has improved as a playmaker but his handle was great.
http://youtu.be/Y_FVY--UVcY
They also have games but just in case you don't want to go through it a highlight reel.

Russell could be the next great point. He isn't shooting like Curry, higher efficiency but not the volume. Has better teammates to finish his passing. I see the next great SG. He could dominate points but he's not tight enough to have those little guys under him.

Post #796 » by **mpharris36** » Thu Mar 5, 2015 4:34 pm

Sprewell4Three wrote:
Not a huge fan of any of those. If Russell and or Mudiay are the next big thing at the guard position, I'd rather take a chance on those guys than over paying for average guards in FA. Jimmy Butler will not be as good as advertised In his next contract. The injuries are piling up thanks to Thibs over playing him.

you don't like Wes Matthews, Danny Green, Jimmy Butler, or Middleton?

All those gusy are good on both ends of the floor. We are going to spend our $$$ on someone might as well be guys from winning teams that play on both ends. If you don't like that type of player I am pretty confused on what players you would actually like?

MaseInYourFace · Post #797 » by **MaseInYourFace** » Thu Mar 5, 2015 4:39 pm

camillepd wrote:
Sprewell4Three wrote:
GYK wrote:Russell is a SG. He plays point but he isn't the athlete Westbrook is nor has the handle of Curry/Kyrie or even Damian(who he reminds me of). He's certainly good might be great in the league but I'm sure he's a future two guard.

Curry didn't have the handle in college , he developed it in the pros. Russell can develop his handle more in the pros.

this.

To be fair just because Curry did it doesn't mean Russell will. That's bad logic. Every player is different.

god shammgod · Post #798 » by **god shammgod** » Thu Mar 5, 2015 4:50 pm

you can't get jimmy butler. the other 3 are fine but i wonder how much you'll have to overpay.
i would go for a defensive big first in free agency. deandre. r lopez. asik.
with melo, a defensive center and a dynamic guard you have a start. then fill in the pieces.

Post #799 » by **Deeeez Knicks** » Thu Mar 5, 2015 4:57 pm

I wouldnt draft based on position or who we may or may not be able to sign. You can get burned doing that. Just need to focus on taking the best guy.

god shammgod · Post #800 » by **god shammgod** » Thu Mar 5, 2015 5:02 pm

Deeeez Knicks wrote:I wouldnt draft based on position or who we may or may not be able to sign. You can get burned doing that. Just need to focus on taking the best guy.

i understand but i don't think it's obvious who that is though.

Who do you go with?