WHG traded to hornets for O'Bryant and two 2nds

[Synciere]

Shooting/efficiency is what maters most. This is black and white data. Porzingis' output was not that of a franchise/max player. The Knicks would be winning more if it were.

And if you were a Mavericks fan during Dirk's early years you'd say rebounding and defense matters most. And if you were a Celtics' fan during the Pierce and Walker years you'd say shooting and defense matters most. Again, you're picking and choosing where he's deficient and ignoring the areas where he's strong to fit your argument. It's not his output that's an impediment to the Knicks winning lol...

He's deficient at essentially everything besides blocks. Investing max money into that type of output would be insane if the goal is to win. We're already handicapped by the terrible Hardaway and Noah contracts.

No, he's not. LOL. He's a 23/7/2 guy on 44/39/79 percentages. Those are all above average numbers (sans the shooting percentage, but his TS% is higher). Maybe you want to say he's not elite, okay. He ranks 33rd in PER. Just checked. Guys like Whiteside (ranked 10th) are ahead of guys like Embiid and Cousins and Irving, so you can take the numbers with a grain of salt. Regardless, he's a top 30 player by ANY measure, which makes him a part of the top 6% in the league. He's in the 93rd or 94th percentile of players LOL. If he's deficient in everything besides blocks give me more deficient players ANY DAY. Don't trust the numbers? The eye test doesn't lie either.

[F N 11]

Don’t care what Scott says. He has proven to be a liar.

[thebuzzardman]

more like dreaming

And this is more like trolling. Don't you have your own board to hang out on? Or the general board. Stupidity is found in greater concentrations there.

im not trolling.. whats wrong with having a healthy debate

I just thought asking for MONK is crazy talk

Why you even care? It's not like your team is Cha. Go debate on the general board.

[duetta]

As Peggy Lee sang, "Is that all there is"?

That's it. Picks in '20 and '21. And O'Bryant.

[Jeff Van Gully]

all that yang yang willy was talking like...



you was never one of us.

[BUDDAMAN]

And this is more like trolling. Don't you have your own board to hang out on? Or the general board. Stupidity is found in greater concentrations there.

im not trolling.. whats wrong with having a healthy debate

I just thought asking for MONK is crazy talk

Why you even care? It's not like your team is Cha. Go debate on the general board.

cause im a ball fan

[BLACKFEET 2010]

As Peggy Lee sang, "Is that all there is"?

That's it. Picks in '20 and '21. And O'Bryant.

Word.
If he were trading Noah, Lee and Kyle wouldn't he hold off on the pressures until the REAL deal is done?

[Samsun85]

Ok. Its over. Stop overreacting for a bum like Willy. He wont ever get real minutes with this attitude...

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[ibraheim718]

40 pages.. almost as many pages as the ACL thread.

[Capn'O]

Monk version would have been Willy + TPE + 2 2nds. Probably wouldn't have gotten it done but that is worth asking about.

[dakomish23]

the issue was more that he couldn't play defense and instead of working on his game he complained to the media all season long.

The starter can’t play defense either

Idc about him vocalizing his wish to play.

It’s a mediocre deal by less than mediocre franchise

llmaooo you don't care about him vocalizing to the media?

okay, i'm over with you. that's an insane comment to make.

He didn’t say anything crazy or cancerous IMO.

And at ignoring that the starter doesn’t play defense either

[Billy Goat]

And if you were a Mavericks fan during Dirk's early years you'd say rebounding and defense matters most. And if you were a Celtics' fan during the Pierce and Walker years you'd say shooting and defense matters most. Again, you're picking and choosing where he's deficient and ignoring the areas where he's strong to fit your argument. It's not his output that's an impediment to the Knicks winning lol...

He's deficient at essentially everything besides blocks. Investing max money into that type of output would be insane if the goal is to win. We're already handicapped by the terrible Hardaway and Noah contracts.

No, he's not. LOL. He's a 23/7/2 guy on 44/39/79 percentages. Those are all above average numbers. Maybe you want to say he's not elite, okay. He ranks 33rd in PER. Just checked. Guys like Whiteside (ranked 10th) are ahead of guys like Embiid and Cousins and Irving, so you can take the numbers with a grain of salt. Regardless, he's a top 30 player by ANY measure, which makes him a part of the top 6% in the league. He's in the 93rd or 94th percentile of players LOL. If he's deficient in everything besides blocks give me more deficient players ANY DAY. Don't trust the numbers? The eye test doesn't lie either.

Where does his TS% rank against other wings in the league? Rebounding? Assists? PPG is a totally meaningless number that has no correlation to winning.

Wings are the foundation of an organization, and if you're going to pay them max dollar- they have to do more than just shoot. This was the same exact trap we fell for in Carmelo.

[Synciere]

It's not about culture. It's about VALUE. If you want to trade Willy then you PLAY HIM. You don't bury him on the bench until he sulks and then GIVE HIM AWAY.

We're a capitalistic society. Value is what someone is willing to pay. Again, it's not like we were offered a first and said no. Clearly everyone who wanted him offered us a second, and we probably held out for two seconds. THAT was his value. Clearly the coaches saw him play in practice and thought him worse than the guys ahead of him, so playing him wasn't going to raise his value. Young players get buried everyday B. Either they come out fighting for a spot and win one or they sulk. Maybe he worked on his game, but he was obviously also sulking a bit. That's not on Hornacek or Perry. That's on him.

Sure, if you let someone rot on the bench until he sulks his value will diminish and the demand will dry up. That's capitalism.

They didn't let him rot on the bench. He let himself rot on the bench by not coming in and winning a job. He has to own his own career path, good and bad, which is why I'm not mad he asked for a trade (again, if he did). It's his career, but I don't see any conspiracy or agenda to keep him down. I see players ahead of him who were better, point blank period.

[BLACKFEET 2010]

40 pages.. almost as many pages as the ACL thread.

Still partially numb.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Taking shot at the knicks....

Read on Twitter

dude bout to be looking for a job tho

[reub]

We're a capitalistic society. Value is what someone is willing to pay. Again, it's not like we were offered a first and said no. Clearly everyone who wanted him offered us a second, and we probably held out for two seconds. THAT was his value. Clearly the coaches saw him play in practice and thought him worse than the guys ahead of him, so playing him wasn't going to raise his value. Young players get buried everyday B. Either they come out fighting for a spot and win one or they sulk. Maybe he worked on his game, but he was obviously also sulking a bit. That's not on Hornacek or Perry. That's on him.

Sure, if you let someone rot on the bench until he sulks his value will diminish and the demand will dry up. That's capitalism.

They didn't let him rot on the bench. He let himself rot on the bench by not coming in and winning a job. He has to own his own career path, good and bad, which is why I'm not mad he asked for a trade (again, if he did). It's his career, but I don't see any conspiracy or agenda to keep him down. I see players ahead of him who were better, point blank period.

Nonsense. They never called his number even though he produced well last year. They are the ones who wouldn't play him in games.

[Tron Carter]

The starter can’t play defense either

Idc about him vocalizing his wish to play.

It’s a mediocre deal by less than mediocre franchise

llmaooo you don't care about him vocalizing to the media?

okay, i'm over with you. that's an insane comment to make.

He didn’t say anything crazy or cancerous IMO.

And at ignoring that the starter doesn’t play defense either

nobody on this team plays any damn defense besides kp sometimes and frank.

to single out one 2nd year player is laughable.

[Synciere]

Sure, if you let someone rot on the bench until he sulks his value will diminish and the demand will dry up. That's capitalism.

They didn't let him rot on the bench. He let himself rot on the bench by not coming in and winning a job. He has to own his own career path, good and bad, which is why I'm not mad he asked for a trade (again, if he did). It's his career, but I don't see any conspiracy or agenda to keep him down. I see players ahead of him who were better, point blank period.

Nonsense. They never called his number even though he produced well last year. They are the ones who wouldn't play him in games.

Nonsense?? They called his number for a few weeks during training camp right? Are you suggesting he didn't play during camp? That's when he would've/could've EARNED minutes. He didn't EARN minutes.

[Jeff Van Gully]

im not trolling.. whats wrong with having a healthy debate

I just thought asking for MONK is crazy talk

Why you even care? It's not like your team is Cha. Go debate on the general board.

cause im a ball fan

and it IS crazy talk. wtf? willy for monk? FRP?

why we do this?

[Jeff Van Gully]

They didn't let him rot on the bench. He let himself rot on the bench by not coming in and winning a job. He has to own his own career path, good and bad, which is why I'm not mad he asked for a trade (again, if he did). It's his career, but I don't see any conspiracy or agenda to keep him down. I see players ahead of him who were better, point blank period.

Nonsense. They never called his number even though he produced well last year. They are the ones who wouldn't play him in games.

Nonsense?? They called his number for a few weeks during training camp right? Are you suggesting he didn't play during camp? That's when he would've/could've EARNED minutes. He didn't EARN minutes.

that's when he was working the pernil off.