OT: Official KP Thread

[Slicin N Dicin]

KP still a biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitch

[TimRobbins]

Would be an easily tradeable contract. Especially since we also wouldn't have signed a dumpster turd like Randle. He'd probably be putting up higher junk bad team numbers with us (like Morris and Randle who just churn empty stats while we get obliterated).

His defense and shooting 35%+ from deep 3 alone justifies his contract if you don't think so you aren't looking around the league at some of these contracts.

Watching the Mavs to see how KP would do has at least given me the joy of watching Luka who is going to be the best player in the league for the next 6 years. I'm not sure they've figured out how to play together yet, and the Mavs seem obsessed with starting a fake center alongside him even in matchups where the opposing team doesn't have a big post player.

No way can you trade Porzingis right now. It would take 2 lotto picks to trade him.

Lol. You are clueless. Portland would take him in a hot **** second.

Why would anybody trade for a big with .497 TS% on a 5-year max contract?

[nedleeds]

No way can you trade Porzingis right now. It would take 2 lotto picks to trade him.

Lol. You are clueless. Portland would take him in a hot **** second.

Why would anybody trade for a big with .497 TS% on a 5-year max contract?

Not if he wasn't the 3rd best paint protector in the league. But KP could play with mittens and he'd still be a better contract than turds like Capella.



Again if you actually watched or knew anything you'd also see despite his TS% nobody leaves KP, which lets Luka run through the paint like a demon. His impact on their floor spacing is amazing. Which is part of why they are the best offense in the league, while our power forward dribbles more than Magic Johnson and turns it over like a bakery trying to do bull spin move post ups.

[BallSacBounce]

I wasn't rooting for or against KP going into the season but watching him play recently makes me wonder where his head/body are at. Doesn't look engaged on defense, goes long stretches without so much as touching Luka's ball on offense, shooting below career averages across the board, especially from the FT line. Dude doesn't even look like a MLE type player let alone a max level player.

[TimRobbins]

Again if you actually watched or knew anything you'd also see despite his TS% nobody leaves KP, which lets Luka run through the paint like a demon. His impact on their floor spacing is amazing. Which is part of why they are the best offense in the league, while our power forward dribbles more than Magic Johnson and turns it over like a bakery trying to do bull spin move post ups.

I have no idea what you're talking about. Porzingis' on/off stats are terrible. Mavs are far better when he's off the court (which is not surprising given his .497 ts%).

You're making up a great story, but it has no grip in reality.

[duetta]

When I was being objective a couple years back, I could project KP having a Serge Ibaka type career. Not a bad player by any means, but not a franchise player. For KP to become a franchise player, he will need to use his size to much greater advantage on offense.

Still, Dallas is winning - and we're not.

[nedleeds]

Again if you actually watched or knew anything you'd also see despite his TS% nobody leaves KP, which lets Luka run through the paint like a demon. His impact on their floor spacing is amazing. Which is part of why they are the best offense in the league, while our power forward dribbles more than Magic Johnson and turns it over like a bakery trying to do bull spin move post ups.

I have no idea what you're talking about. Porzingis' on/off stats are terrible. Mavs are far better when he's off the court (which is not surprising given his .497 ts%).

You're making up a great story, but it has no grip in reality.

On off is unreliable garbage because it doesn't take into account their bench, and who he starts with. I presented literal shot attempts against him directly, of players who've played real minutes he's the third best player on the third planet from the Sun. He plays the bulk of the minutes for the best offense in the league. He's perfectly tradable at his age unless he suffers another injury.

Even discarding all of this, he's far more of an asset than a chucker on a rookie scale and the turds we signed with the "cap space" we traded him for. Those picks are also looking like hot **** trash.

[RandlesCornrows]

I keep reading on twitter about Mavs fans saying “Wait till his shot starts falling”. They don’t realize he is brutal after the first 6 weeks. Granted the injury obviously doesn’t help, but he started off brutal, I doubt he’ll just magically start playing efficient.

[DOLPHIN2020]

I keep reading on twitter about Mavs fans saying “Wait till his shot starts falling”. They don’t realize he is brutal after the first 6 weeks. Granted the injury obviously doesn’t help, but he started off brutal, I doubt he’ll just magically start playing efficient.

Wait till his anemia kicks in by mid December. They will be loving their $157 million investment.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

We lost that trade man, DSjr looks like he'll be in China in 2 years, and those picks are gonna have as much value as the Suns trading Amare to the Cavs in 2005 for their 2007 and 2009 picks.

Whether or not KP is worth that contract is up for debate, but looking around the league and the bigs that can space the floor & guard the rim the list is pretty short.

[TimRobbins]

On off is unreliable garbage because it doesn't take into account their bench, and who he starts with. I presented literal shot attempts against him directly, of players who've played real minutes he's the third best player on the third planet from the Sun. He plays the bulk of the minutes for the best offense in the league. He's perfectly tradable at his age unless he suffers another injury.

Even discarding all of this, he's far more of an asset than a chucker on a rookie scale and the turds we signed with the "cap space" we traded him for. Those picks are also looking like hot **** trash.

There no argument that the guys we signed are trash, but those guys are on one-year contracts (other than Randle who's on a 2-year contract).

Porzingis is on a 5-year max contract and he's shooting .497 ts% despite having some great offensive talent next to him and his team is actually much better with him off the court. In the only DNP he didn't have this season, the Mavs won by 16.

What you presented are some advanced stats that are very difficult to interpret. Porzingis isn't tradable in any way, shape or form and another injury is just a matter of time.

[K_ick_God]

I'm sure if we had KP on a Max shooting 40/35 and clanking a lot of shots, everybody would be talking about how important he is as a spacer.

He's getting blocks but his inside presence is really not overwhelmng. People score around the cup regularly in his face.

The Mavs ARE winning. He is not playing really badly, where he's stinking it up ... but when he exits the game, the Mavs do better. I think it's time to accept that with minor improvements this is the player he will be and it's nothing to write home about.

Mavs don't seem to need him very much which is a bit alarming for a guy making 30M per for 5 years.

It's very early, he could get better and winning is all that matters. But in the end, it almost seems like the seeds are already being planted for Dallas to explore options on a KP deal. Not anytime very soon but he looks pretty pedestrian and def not varied a lot on O.

I do like the way he's hitting the offensive glass lately. That is an improvement.

[G_K_F]

I'm sure if we had KP on a Max shooting 40/35 and clanking a lot of shots, everybody would be talking about how important he is as a spacer.

He's getting blocks but his inside presence is really not overwhelmng. People score around the cup regularly in his face.

The Mavs ARE winning. He is not playing really badly, where he's stinking it up ... but when he exits the game, the Mavs do better. I think it's time to accept that with minor improvements this is the player he will be and it's nothing to write home about.

Mavs don't seem to need him very much which is a bit alarming for a guy making 30M per for 5 years.

It's very early, he could get better and winning is all that matters. But in the end, it almost seems like the seeds are already being planted for Dallas to explore options on a KP deal. Not anytime very soon but he looks pretty pedestrian and def not varied a lot on O.

I do like the way he's hitting the offensive glass lately. That is an improvement.

The guy is coming off an ACL injury and hasn't played in 2 years. This season is about getting comfortable and finding his strength again. Whether he played for the Knicks or anyone else, I would judge him exactly the same, as I would any player coming off a major injury like that. Everyone knows the first year back from a major injury is tough and not reflective of the player.

I expect his game to be much better next season. If it's not, then your points will be more valid.

[Zenzibar]

You saps need to take a quick look at the Mavs record and realize that KP has help turned that sht around down in Dallas.

Carlisle has found a way to make it work and the Mavs are arguably the 3 or 4th best team in the West. They already busted the Lakers asses in LA.

KP has a lot to do with that. Max maybe not, but let's not act like the ex-boyfriend saying his ex Ain't sht, cause you don't want her to get hammered by a new dude.

[MaseInYourFace]

In terms of on the court Dallas clearly won this trade unless Knicks really hit it out of park with the picks. However, taking into account KP’s baggage and the contract it looks more like a wash/slight L for Knicks

[nedleeds]

What you presented are some advanced stats that are very difficult to interpret. Porzingis isn't tradable in any way, shape or form and another injury is just a matter of time.

You presented plus / minus? Possibly one of the junkiest stats ever, if me and you play with Scottie Pippen, Mike and Hakeem we'd have decent +/-.

I presented the exact % that NBA players shoot when KP is defending in the paint. Full stop. He's the 3rd best. When he leaves the game (early in the first). Luka plays the rest of the first. The on off numbers likely reflect the normal beating Luka puts on second units. Dallas also has a decent bench with some actual NBA guards in Brunson and Wright.

Porzingis is absolutely tradeable. If he was dangled for matching expiring salary he'd be gone in an hour.

[TimRobbins]

You presented plus / minus? Possibly one of the junkiest stats ever, if me and you play with Scottie Pippen, Mike and Hakeem we'd have decent +/-.

I presented the exact % that NBA players shoot when KP is defending in the paint. Full stop. He's the 3rd best. When he leaves the game (early in the first). Luka plays the rest of the first. The on off numbers likely reflect the normal beating Luka puts on second units. Dallas also has a decent bench with some actual NBA guards in Brunson and Wright.

Porzingis is absolutely tradeable. If he was dangled for matching expiring salary he'd be gone in an hour.

I don't see how your % numbers of KP "defending the paint" are different that the +/- numbers. Exact same criticism applies. I any case, we already have one game in which KP didn't play and the Mavs were better. I suspect we'll have many more.

Nobody would trade an expiring for KP at this point.

[SmoothLefty21]

I keep reading on twitter about Mavs fans saying “Wait till his shot starts falling”. They don’t realize he is brutal after the first 6 weeks. Granted the injury obviously doesn’t help, but he started off brutal, I doubt he’ll just magically start playing efficient.

It will be fun to watch their fanbase slowly and reluctantly come to terms with what KP really is.

[dakomish23]

You presented plus / minus? Possibly one of the junkiest stats ever, if me and you play with Scottie Pippen, Mike and Hakeem we'd have decent +/-.

I presented the exact % that NBA players shoot when KP is defending in the paint. Full stop. He's the 3rd best. When he leaves the game (early in the first). Luka plays the rest of the first. The on off numbers likely reflect the normal beating Luka puts on second units. Dallas also has a decent bench with some actual NBA guards in Brunson and Wright.

Porzingis is absolutely tradeable. If he was dangled for matching expiring salary he'd be gone in an hour.

I don't see how your % numbers of KP "defending the paint" are different that the +/- numbers. Exact same criticism applies. I any case, we already have one game in which KP didn't play and the Mavs were better. I suspect we'll have many more.

Nobody would trade an expiring for KP at this point.

Are you referring to the game against MEM?

[K_ick_God]

Might be some teams that would bite on KP. Others less enthused. Mixed bag would be my guess.

I believe all teams guard him with a much smaller player. That’s an incomplete but significant indicator of what teams think of his ability to dominate offensively. You wouldn’t stick a little guy on KAT or AD defensively.

There is room for KP to be a good starter but it’s not fake stats that the Mavs seem to have their best bursts with KP out.