Trades and Transactions thread - To the offseason!

[WargamesX]

Then again, I did propose taking on Wiggins' contract for the Warriors #1 pick, so feel free to come at me. We're all bored. I should be nicer.

I still think that is the better trading scenario than anything for CP3.

At least it shows a direction of “youth” over everything.

[spree2kawhi]

Then again, I did propose taking on Wiggins' contract for the Warriors #1 pick, so feel free to come at me. We're all bored. I should be nicer.

I still think that is the better trading scenario than anything for CP3.

At least it shows a direction of “youth” over everything.

Sure, but Wiggins does have value as a player. That contract is big, but he can play. If they just keep him and add a good piece in the draft, they'll contend. I'd also like them to trade for say Myles Turner / Ingram / Gobert / Beal / Markkanen+Porter, but Wiggins looks just fine on their wing too.

[WargamesX]

Then again, I did propose taking on Wiggins' contract for the Warriors #1 pick, so feel free to come at me. We're all bored. I should be nicer.

I still think that is the better trading scenario than anything for CP3.

At least it shows a direction of “youth” over everything.

Sure, but Wiggins does have value as a player. That contract is big, but he can play. If they just keep him and add a good piece in the draft, they'll contend. I'd also like them to trade for say Myles Turner / Ingram / Gobert / Beal / Markkanen+Porter, but Wiggins looks just fine on their wing too.

That contract is so bad now because of the cap/luxury tax at best staying in place and the loss of 40% revenue. Plus they still need to pay Draymond this summer. They can keep spending but they already have a core that contends in their big three. If they decide to go cheap and focus on low cost role players no one would blame them. Drummond has value too, and look what he got traded for.

[thebuzzardman]

Then again, I did propose taking on Wiggins' contract for the Warriors #1 pick, so feel free to come at me. We're all bored. I should be nicer.

I still think that is the better trading scenario than anything for CP3.

At least it shows a direction of “youth” over everything.

Sure, but Wiggins does have value as a player. That contract is big, but he can play. If they just keep him and add a good piece in the draft, they'll contend. I'd also like them to trade for say Myles Turner / Ingram / Gobert / Beal / Markkanen+Porter, but Wiggins looks just fine on their wing too.

Yeah, it was really a fantasy scenario. I don't think the Warriors are hurting for money. And Wiggins, for his disappointing play, especially on defense, isn't some total bust. He's overpaid for sure, and the contract sucks, but I figure the Warriors will be patient and some dumb team will make a move for him. Meaning, he won't be that awful on their team, where he's the 4th option, that they have to hurry into the next deal, unless it was 100% about money, and again, I just don't see that being that big a deal to them.

Also, if it did happen, it might be more about taking on that deal to switch places, where the Knicks are picking #4 and the Warriors #1

Really, it was just proposing a wildly unrealistic scenario for fun.

[WargamesX]

I still think that is the better trading scenario than anything for CP3.

At least it shows a direction of “youth” over everything.

Sure, but Wiggins does have value as a player. That contract is big, but he can play. If they just keep him and add a good piece in the draft, they'll contend. I'd also like them to trade for say Myles Turner / Ingram / Gobert / Beal / Markkanen+Porter, but Wiggins looks just fine on their wing too.

Yeah, it was really a fantasy scenario. I don't think the Warriors are hurting for money. And Wiggins, for his disappointing play, especially on defense, isn't some total bust. He's overpaid for sure, and the contract sucks, but I figure the Warriors will be patient and some dumb team will make a move for him. Meaning, he won't be that awful on their team, where he's the 4th option, that they have to hurry into the next deal, unless it was 100% about money, and again, I just don't see that being that big a deal to them.

Also, if it did happen, it might be more about taking on that deal to switch places, where the Knicks are picking #4 and the Warriors #1

Really, it was just proposing a wildly unrealistic scenario for fun.

This is all Hypotheticals...

Though, honestly it’s a thin line between fair and a robbery. I don’t think Ball is worth moving up to if it means taking on Wiggins contract. 30 mil in salary to move up 3 spots....... I don’t think that has ever happened before. They should just take Haliburton or Hayes at that point with their own pick.

[thebuzzardman]

Sure, but Wiggins does have value as a player. That contract is big, but he can play. If they just keep him and add a good piece in the draft, they'll contend. I'd also like them to trade for say Myles Turner / Ingram / Gobert / Beal / Markkanen+Porter, but Wiggins looks just fine on their wing too.

Yeah, it was really a fantasy scenario. I don't think the Warriors are hurting for money. And Wiggins, for his disappointing play, especially on defense, isn't some total bust. He's overpaid for sure, and the contract sucks, but I figure the Warriors will be patient and some dumb team will make a move for him. Meaning, he won't be that awful on their team, where he's the 4th option, that they have to hurry into the next deal, unless it was 100% about money, and again, I just don't see that being that big a deal to them.

Also, if it did happen, it might be more about taking on that deal to switch places, where the Knicks are picking #4 and the Warriors #1

Really, it was just proposing a wildly unrealistic scenario for fun.

This is all Hypotheticals...

Though, honestly it’s a thin line between fair and a robbery. I don’t think Ball is worth moving up to if it means taking on Wiggins contract. 30 mil in salary to move up 3 spots....... I don’t think that has ever happened before. They should just take Haliburton or Hayes at that point with their own pick.

I'd agree. I think it more likely, IF the Knicks felt they had to move up, that they'd surrender the less valuable Mav's pick and maybe a player like Frank or Knox or DSJr. I know there are people on here better at calculating what it's cost in the past to move up, and maybe that's a little light, but something like that.

IF the Knicks feel he's a franchise changer, and IF that is reality, I wouldn't mind seeing the Knicks burn a few assets to do that, in a reasonable way.

[Nbabrothers]

What predictions do you have realistically will the Knicks roster look like (best case scenario) in 2021/22 season. Include trades/free agent signings and draft picks.
This summers free agents and 2019/20 free agents like Andre Drummond, Anthony Davis and in 20/21 such as Giannis.

[Richard4444]

What predictions do you have realistically will the Knicks roster look like (best case scenario) in 2021/22 season. Include trades/free agent signings and draft picks.
This summers free agents and 2019/20 free agents like Andre Drummond, Anthony Davis and in 20/21 such as Giannis.

Impossible Great Moves: Giannis, AD, Ingram, Fox

Improbable good moves:
- Oladipo (UFA in 2021- Indiana is a small market team with a inflated payroll in a recession environment and the recovering Oladipo could not develop a great chemistry with Brogdon to be a unequivocally Max salary player to them).
- Jrue Holiday (if dont get an extension).
- some near max/max FA to whom their current teams dont want to pay like Lauri, Lonzo, Collins, Malik/Bogdan (if the cap drops too much their current teams could want to sign and trade them).

Probable bad moves: CP3 (giving assets), Drummond, DeRozan.

Probable ok moves:
- Depending on the price tag: Bertans, Morris, Wood, Grant, Fred.
- Wiggins with a Top3 pick attached
- Schroder
- Rozier (without giving assets)

[spree2kawhi]

Thinking just very slightly outside the box, how far does this take us?

McCollum
Derozan
RJ
Harkless
Mitch

Or another one:

Frank
Derozan
Wiggins
RJ
Mitch

I'd like it aesthetically, but I guess those teams won't win.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Randomly saw this article from a 76er fan for trade targets for them and they mentioned Bullock.

He does seem like a guy that teams would be interested in due to his cheaper contract. I would love to get Zhaire + 2nd rounder for him....or even a 2nd rounder or 2. We should be able to cash out for him

https://hoopshabit.com/2020/05/01/philadelphia-76ers-5-trade-targets-2/2/

So, what would the price tag be? Well, it could come down to whether or not the Knicks would be interested in a second-round pick and a role player. That package could come down to a lot of things, but ideally, the Philadelphia 76ers would give up either Mike Scott or Zhaire Smith plus a second-round pick or two in exchange for Bullock.

[knickstape4ever]

Randomly saw this article from a 76er fan for trade targets for them and they mentioned Bullock.

He does seem like a guy that teams would be interested in due to his cheaper contract. I would love to get Zhaire + 2nd rounder for him....or even a 2nd rounder or 2. We should be able to cash out for him

https://hoopshabit.com/2020/05/01/philadelphia-76ers-5-trade-targets-2/2/

So, what would the price tag be? Well, it could come down to whether or not the Knicks would be interested in a second-round pick and a role player. That package could come down to a lot of things, but ideally, the Philadelphia 76ers would give up either Mike Scott or Zhaire Smith plus a second-round pick or two in exchange for Bullock.

play hardball w/ the 76ers and get their 1st rounder. they need to cut salary because they're deep into the luxury tax: 15.1M over, which means they get taxed at $3.25 for each dollar over.

I suggested that they trade Scott and their 1st and we absorb Scott into cap space (since we technically would have to send them something in return, give them the rights to some international player like Sanon, Jaramaz, or Labeyrie)

If they want Bullock, ask for Zhaire Smith, Mike Scott and their 1st. by doing this, 76ers would drop to 10.9M over the tax (and lower their tax level to $2.5 for every dollar over).

The end result would be the 76ers saving ~22M in luxury tax just by trading Smith, Scott and 2020 1st for Bullock. Pretty good deal for both sides IMO

[8516knicks]

I was going to second "Let's do it" but just checked on espn and apparently Philly does not have a #1 draft choice in 2020! they're listed as #21 going to the NETS (from Philly). Maybe for 2 second-rounders if we like whose there?

[knickstape4ever]

I was going to second "Let's do it" but just checked on espn and apparently Philly does not have a #1 draft choice in 2020! they're listed as #21 going to the NETS (from Philly). Maybe for 2 second-rounders if we like whose there?

Philly has OKC's 1st rounder (top 20 protected) which as of now would be 21 or 22 depending on results of tiebreaker

[King Ken]

I just went all-in on LaMelo Ball for NYK.

Draft LaMelo Ball, Patrick Williams, and Killian Tillie

Ball/Ntilikina/Smith Jr.
???/???/Brazdeikis
Barrett/Williams/Knox
???/Randle/Tillie
???/Robinson/???

Going into FA

I am trading dudes, left and right.

1st Trade: R.J. Barrett for John Collins - Needs a PnR movement big for Ball. Best PnR player in the NBA. Best movement big in the NBA. Would Atlanta do it, idk but it's worth a try.

2nd Trade: Knox for a two future 2nds. - Likeliness, slim but it's worth a try.

I doubt I can get anything Smith Jr.

Ball/Ntilikina/Smith Jr.
???/???/Brazdeikis
???/Williams/???
Collins/Randle/Tillie
???/Robinson/???

Signing Joe Harris
Signing Aron Baynes
Resigning both Harkless and Damyean Dotson
Signing E'Twaun Moore
Signing Jahlil Okafor


Ball/Ntilikina/Smith Jr.
Harris/Moore/Brazdeikis
Harkless/Dotson/Williams
Collins/Randle/Tillie
Baynes/Robinson/Okafor

I just choose to go heavy on fit, PnR and great screeners, great shooters 2-5, and movement guys. Obviously, this is probably not a playoff team defensively, offensively, they will get PPP and with a PG like Ball, you need those types of players around him.

I didn't like Barrett's fit with Ball or any of the PGs in this draft. Even in Atlanta, I think his best role might be the 6th man.

Knox just needs to go at all costs.

I wanted to get rid of Smith Jr too but who wants him? No one.

[thebuzzardman]

Randomly saw this article from a 76er fan for trade targets for them and they mentioned Bullock.

He does seem like a guy that teams would be interested in due to his cheaper contract. I would love to get Zhaire + 2nd rounder for him....or even a 2nd rounder or 2. We should be able to cash out for him

https://hoopshabit.com/2020/05/01/philadelphia-76ers-5-trade-targets-2/2/

So, what would the price tag be? Well, it could come down to whether or not the Knicks would be interested in a second-round pick and a role player. That package could come down to a lot of things, but ideally, the Philadelphia 76ers would give up either Mike Scott or Zhaire Smith plus a second-round pick or two in exchange for Bullock.

play hardball w/ the 76ers and get their 1st rounder. they need to cut salary because they're deep into the luxury tax: 15.1M over, which means they get taxed at $3.25 for each dollar over.

I suggested that they trade Scott and their 1st and we absorb Scott into cap space (since we technically would have to send them something in return, give them the rights to some international player like Sanon, Jaramaz, or Labeyrie)

If they want Bullock, ask for Zhaire Smith, Mike Scott and their 1st. by doing this, 76ers would drop to 10.9M over the tax (and lower their tax level to $2.5 for every dollar over).

The end result would be the 76ers saving ~22M in luxury tax just by trading Smith, Scott and 2020 1st for Bullock. Pretty good deal for both sides IMO

I like that. And I like Bullock well enough, and I think he adds some shooting to the Knicks at SF/SG - meaning he can swing a bit between those positions, though he's mostly a SF. But if the Knicks shed Portis, who is more a PF/C, and get Scott back, Scott could provide some "stretch 4" ability off the bench for the Knicks. Before anyone jumps in, no, not looking at Scott as some ideal piece, but he could fit in that role, plus the Knicks are working with another 1st rounder.

I suppose it thins backup SF a bit, but hopefully Iggy takes another step and Knox should get some time there even if his future is PF

[Deeeez Knicks]

Randomly saw this article from a 76er fan for trade targets for them and they mentioned Bullock.

He does seem like a guy that teams would be interested in due to his cheaper contract. I would love to get Zhaire + 2nd rounder for him....or even a 2nd rounder or 2. We should be able to cash out for him

https://hoopshabit.com/2020/05/01/philadelphia-76ers-5-trade-targets-2/2/

So, what would the price tag be? Well, it could come down to whether or not the Knicks would be interested in a second-round pick and a role player. That package could come down to a lot of things, but ideally, the Philadelphia 76ers would give up either Mike Scott or Zhaire Smith plus a second-round pick or two in exchange for Bullock.

play hardball w/ the 76ers and get their 1st rounder. they need to cut salary because they're deep into the luxury tax: 15.1M over, which means they get taxed at $3.25 for each dollar over.

I suggested that they trade Scott and their 1st and we absorb Scott into cap space (since we technically would have to send them something in return, give them the rights to some international player like Sanon, Jaramaz, or Labeyrie)

If they want Bullock, ask for Zhaire Smith, Mike Scott and their 1st. by doing this, 76ers would drop to 10.9M over the tax (and lower their tax level to $2.5 for every dollar over).

The end result would be the 76ers saving ~22M in luxury tax just by trading Smith, Scott and 2020 1st for Bullock. Pretty good deal for both sides IMO

Yea, if we are saving that much in tax while giving them a productive player, maybe they would send a 1st. That would be great if we could get another pick. Keep stockpiling, and gives us more options to move up if needed or take a chance on another player.

[thebuzzardman]

Taking the Wood discussion over here and away from the draft.

In that context, which players would you bring back (if any) of the 1 year mercenaries?
Obviously, lots of different factors come into play, like are any traded for some big time player, some traded for picks (yes please) etc.

Bobby Portis’ $15 million is a team option while Elfrid Payton, Wayne Ellington, Reggie Bullock and Taj Gibson count just $1 million each against the cap if waived.

*taken from the coronavirus cap thread


Terminate with extreme prejudice:
Portis - I wouldn't bring Portis back at all, regardless of any "stretch 4 or 5 game" he brings. - saves 15 million
Elfrid Payton - just no, Knicks will draft a PG, and he returned, counting Kadeem, that's 5 PG's - saves 8 million
Harkless - nice guy, but nope. Saves 11 million
Wayne Ellington - F*ck no. Saves 7.8 million

42 million saved

Maybe:
Reggie Bullock - MAYBE. 4 million. Price is right. Depends on what is available FA, trading him to Philly for a pick would be GREAT
Taj Gibson - MAYBE. 9 million. Solid backup for Mitch.

13 million potential savings

Pick one:
Dotson - 1.6 million
Trier - 3.5 million

3.5 or 1.6 million potential savings


Obviously the Knicks have to sign at least one #1 pick, top 10 (9 to 4 million) and possible a #1 pick #27 (about 2 million?)
A # 1 pick and a # 27 pick could basically occupy the cap space of Gibson/Dotson or Bullock/Trier/Dotson (I'd rather not lose this many wings, even mediocre ones)
I didn't calculate who has the 1 million $ payout if the Knicks decline.
I "think" it's Payton, Gibson, Ellington?

[WargamesX]

The more I think about Reggie Bullocks deal the more I think we should bring him back to use as trade bait

[knickstape4ever]

The more I think about Reggie Bullocks deal the more I think we should bring him back to use as trade bait

agreed. even before the pandemic, Bullock at 4.2M was a very attractive trade chip, now more so, especially for contenders who are over the cap. since his deal isn't fully guaranteed (only 1M is GTD, and only GTD $ is counted in trading purposes)

[WargamesX]

The more I think about Reggie Bullocks deal the more I think we should bring him back to use as trade bait

agreed. even before the pandemic, Bullock at 4.2M was a very attractive trade chip, now more so, especially for contenders who are over the cap. since his deal isn't fully guaranteed (only 1M is GTD, and only GTD $ is counted in trading purposes)

Oh wow at the GTD provision. I didn’t know that was how it was set up. That’s legit a great contract trade chip if he is even just a decent next year. We definitely need to keep him with the intent of trading him.