2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 5) -LOTTO 8/25 DRAFT 10/15!

[3toheadmelo]

haliburton you're probably right. but really because he's just not good enough. if they really thought hayes was better than what they have i could see it. who knows if they do, opinions of him are pretty varied. outside of the hawks and trey, none of the teams mentioned have a young franchise player. they'll probably just take bpa regardless of what they have already.

What’s your thoughts on Hayes

Hayes is going to need time. His right hand is not as strong and teams will attach that. Once that's worked on he'll be really really nice, but that's not going to happen right away.

Yeah his inability to use his right hand or go right is worrisome. But besides that, he kinda checks every box we’re looking for in a point guard. His ability to create shots off the dribble is the most intriguing part of his game

[Deeeez Knicks]

What’s your thoughts on Hayes

Hayes is going to need time. His right hand is not as strong and teams will attach that. Once that's worked on he'll be really really nice, but that's not going to happen right away.

that's my biggest fear about him too. i don't expect him to look great year 1. he needs to tighten up his handle a little, work on his right hand, work on his shot, it's gonna take time. and we're not really a take time city.

He may take a little more time then others, but that should be ok especially in this draft. A lot of the more ready players might be the ones with a lower ceiling.

[HEZI]

The Warriors reportedly haven't spoken to top NBA draft prospect Anthony Edwards on Zoom yet, but that doesn't mean they aren't interested in the Georgia product.

On Aug. 25, the Warriors will find out where they will pick when the NBA draft lottery is held. If the odds fall in their favor, Edwards could be a Warrior.

The San Francisco Chronicle's Connor Letourneau reported Saturday, citing sources, that if the Warriors landed the No. 1 overall pick in the 2020 NBA Draft, and decide to keep it, they will take Edwards. "Sources have indicated to The Chronicle that if the Warriors land the No. 1 pick and decide not to trade down, they'll likely take Georgia guard Anthony Edwards," Letourneau wrote.

But what if they don't get the No. 1 pick? "If Golden State lands anywhere between Nos. 2 and No. 5, it'll strongly consider Iowa State's Tyrese Haliburton, Auburn's Isaac Okoro and Israel's Deni Avdija, among others," Letourneau wrote.

[Zenzibar]

What’s your thoughts on Hayes

Hayes is going to need time. His right hand is not as strong and teams will attach that. Once that's worked on he'll be really really nice, but that's not going to happen right away.

that's my biggest fear about him too. i don't expect him to look great year 1. he needs to tighten up his handle a little, work on his right hand, work on his shot, it's gonna take time. and we're not really a take time city.

We'll label him a bust in month 1 if his right hand is not up to par, and that'll be his stigma with the NY fanbase thereafter. Although he is really really young, no patience here (see Knox).

His shot is very smooth though.

[god shammgod]

Hayes is going to need time. His right hand is not as strong and teams will attach that. Once that's worked on he'll be really really nice, but that's not going to happen right away.

that's my biggest fear about him too. i don't expect him to look great year 1. he needs to tighten up his handle a little, work on his right hand, work on his shot, it's gonna take time. and we're not really a take time city.

We'll label him a bust in month 1 if his right hand is not up to par, and that'll be his stigma with the NY fanbase thereafter. Although he is really really young, no patience here (see Knox).

His shot is very smooth though.

and he hits free throws well, so hopefully that means he'll start to hit 3s at a good clip

[mpharris36]

that's my biggest fear about him too. i don't expect him to look great year 1. he needs to tighten up his handle a little, work on his right hand, work on his shot, it's gonna take time. and we're not really a take time city.

We'll label him a bust in month 1 if his right hand is not up to par, and that'll be his stigma with the NY fanbase thereafter. Although he is really really young, no patience here (see Knox).

His shot is very smooth though.

and he hits free throws well, so hopefully that means he'll start to hit 3s at a good clip

https://www.thestepien.com/2020/02/14/killian-hayes-scouting-report-collaboration/

and he hits long 2's at a high rate too. He just needs to extend his range.

His off the dribble Jumper was in the 84% which puts him right at Cole Anthony's level in terms off shooting off the dribble.

Killian biggest weakness is spot up shooting, which if you are asking me is probably the easiest thing to work on because you can just practice that. I would have much more concerns with guys learning to shoot off the dribble than spot up shooting.

As well as being left hand dominant.

But if we are looking for the best combination of playmaker and scoring potential it might be Hayes.

He is the highest in average in terms of P&R scoring and passing (70% and 67% respectively), ISO scoring (70%), and scoring around the basket (68%). So he is the best on out of all the guards in the 5 most important categories if you include his 84% shooting off the dribble.

[3toheadmelo]

We'll label him a bust in month 1 if his right hand is not up to par, and that'll be his stigma with the NY fanbase thereafter. Although he is really really young, no patience here (see Knox).

His shot is very smooth though.

and he hits free throws well, so hopefully that means he'll start to hit 3s at a good clip

https://www.thestepien.com/2020/02/14/killian-hayes-scouting-report-collaboration/

and he hits long 2's at a high rate too. He just needs to extend his range.

His off the dribble Jumper was in the 84% which puts him right at Cole Anthony's level in terms off shooting off the dribble.

Killian biggest weakness is spot up shooting, which if you are asking me is probably the easiest thing to work on because you can just practice that. I would have much more concerns with guys learning to shoot off the dribble than spot up shooting.

As well as being left hand dominant.

But if we are looking for the best combination of playmaker and scoring potential it might be Hayes.

He is the highest in average in terms of P&R scoring and passing (70% and 67% respectively), ISO scoring (70%), and scoring around the basket (68%). So he is the best on out of all the guards in the 5 most important categories if you include his 84% shooting off the dribble.

[mpharris36]

and he hits free throws well, so hopefully that means he'll start to hit 3s at a good clip

https://www.thestepien.com/2020/02/14/killian-hayes-scouting-report-collaboration/

and he hits long 2's at a high rate too. He just needs to extend his range.

His off the dribble Jumper was in the 84% which puts him right at Cole Anthony's level in terms off shooting off the dribble.

Killian biggest weakness is spot up shooting, which if you are asking me is probably the easiest thing to work on because you can just practice that. I would have much more concerns with guys learning to shoot off the dribble than spot up shooting.

As well as being left hand dominant.

But if we are looking for the best combination of playmaker and scoring potential it might be Hayes.

He is the highest in average in terms of P&R scoring and passing (70% and 67% respectively), ISO scoring (70%), and scoring around the basket (68%). So he is the best on out of all the guards in the 5 most important categories if you include his 84% shooting off the dribble.

I like LaMelo, Edwards, Hayes, Haliburton, Deni, Okungwu, and Okoro.

You can write that all down . I probably would even pick Obi higher than I would in real life because defense in the SIM doesn't really matter. Some of the good defenders suck in the SIM.

Just like I wasn't super high on the knicks picking MPjr. I still picked him in the SIM because of the value and wouldn't be afraid to do it with Toppin who I want no part of on the knicks.

[3toheadmelo]

https://www.thestepien.com/2020/02/14/killian-hayes-scouting-report-collaboration/

and he hits long 2's at a high rate too. He just needs to extend his range.

His off the dribble Jumper was in the 84% which puts him right at Cole Anthony's level in terms off shooting off the dribble.

Killian biggest weakness is spot up shooting, which if you are asking me is probably the easiest thing to work on because you can just practice that. I would have much more concerns with guys learning to shoot off the dribble than spot up shooting.

As well as being left hand dominant.

But if we are looking for the best combination of playmaker and scoring potential it might be Hayes.

He is the highest in average in terms of P&R scoring and passing (70% and 67% respectively), ISO scoring (70%), and scoring around the basket (68%). So he is the best on out of all the guards in the 5 most important categories if you include his 84% shooting off the dribble.

I like LaMelo, Edwards, Hayes, Haliburton, Deni, Okungwu, and Okoro.

You can write that all down . I probably would even pick Obi higher than I would in real life because defense in the SIM doesn't really matter. Some of the good defenders suck in the SIM.

Just like I wasn't super high on the knicks picking MPjr. I still picked him in the SIM because of the value and wouldn't be afraid to do it with Toppin who I want no part of on the knicks.

Hayes sounds like the perfect guy for my Cavs tho..

[mpharris36]

I like LaMelo, Edwards, Hayes, Haliburton, Deni, Okungwu, and Okoro.

You can write that all down . I probably would even pick Obi higher than I would in real life because defense in the SIM doesn't really matter. Some of the good defenders suck in the SIM.

Just like I wasn't super high on the knicks picking MPjr. I still picked him in the SIM because of the value and wouldn't be afraid to do it with Toppin who I want no part of on the knicks.

Hayes sounds like the perfect guy for my Cavs tho..

he would be a nice fit. Might take more time for him to develop nicely rather then some of the other guys which would be good for my pick that I own from you

[3toheadmelo]

I like LaMelo, Edwards, Hayes, Haliburton, Deni, Okungwu, and Okoro.

You can write that all down . I probably would even pick Obi higher than I would in real life because defense in the SIM doesn't really matter. Some of the good defenders suck in the SIM.

Just like I wasn't super high on the knicks picking MPjr. I still picked him in the SIM because of the value and wouldn't be afraid to do it with Toppin who I want no part of on the knicks.

Hayes sounds like the perfect guy for my Cavs tho..

he would be a nice fit. Might take more time for him to develop nicely rather then some of the other guys which would be good for my pick that I own from you

Yeah would take a year or 2 to break out but once that happens, I would basically have a super team.. 5 stars in my starting lineup with a stacked bench

[RHODEY]

Hayes is going to need time. His right hand is not as strong and teams will attach that. Once that's worked on he'll be really really nice, but that's not going to happen right away.

that's my biggest fear about him too. i don't expect him to look great year 1. he needs to tighten up his handle a little, work on his right hand, work on his shot, it's gonna take time. and we're not really a take time city.

He may take a little more time then others, but that should be ok especially in this draft. A lot of the more ready players might be the ones with a lower ceiling.

Agreed maybe wait a bit longer for his game to round out, for an ultimately bigger payoff when it does. We are years away from anything anyway and honestly we could use a better pick in next years loaded draft class.

[robillionaire]

that's my biggest fear about him too. i don't expect him to look great year 1. he needs to tighten up his handle a little, work on his right hand, work on his shot, it's gonna take time. and we're not really a take time city.

He may take a little more time then others, but that should be ok especially in this draft. A lot of the more ready players might be the ones with a lower ceiling.

Agreed maybe wait a bit longer (for him game to round out) for an ultimately bigger payoff. We are years away from anything anyway and honestly we could use a better pick in next years loaded draft class.

I agree. Especially with next season probably be a shortened season. we probably need to tank again and try to get another top 5 guy and go into 2021 free agency with a clean slate and a decent young core to build on

[WargamesX]

He may take a little more time then others, but that should be ok especially in this draft. A lot of the more ready players might be the ones with a lower ceiling.

Agreed maybe wait a bit longer (for him game to round out) for an ultimately bigger payoff. We are years away from anything anyway and honestly we could use a better pick in next years loaded draft class.

I agree. Especially with next season probably be a shortened season. we probably need to tank again and try to get another top 5 guy and go into 2021 free agency with a clean slate and a decent young core to build on

Next year’s draft is suppose to be the best one in years too and then the Double draft in 2022 means a really deep draft and then it’s a really weaker 2023 that is made up of late bloomers.

[Zenzibar]

and he hits free throws well, so hopefully that means he'll start to hit 3s at a good clip

https://www.thestepien.com/2020/02/14/killian-hayes-scouting-report-collaboration/

and he hits long 2's at a high rate too. He just needs to extend his range.

His off the dribble Jumper was in the 84% which puts him right at Cole Anthony's level in terms off shooting off the dribble.

Killian biggest weakness is spot up shooting, which if you are asking me is probably the easiest thing to work on because you can just practice that. I would have much more concerns with guys learning to shoot off the dribble than spot up shooting.

As well as being left hand dominant.

But if we are looking for the best combination of playmaker and scoring potential it might be Hayes.

He is the highest in average in terms of P&R scoring and passing (70% and 67% respectively), ISO scoring (70%), and scoring around the basket (68%). So he is the best on out of all the guards in the 5 most important categories if you include his 84% shooting off the dribble.

[BLACKFEET 2010]

Fit wise:

Golden State: Wiseman (they lying)

Cleveland: Obi (once they accept it’ll take an asset attached to trade Love)

Minnesota: Deni/Okongu/Okoro

Detroit: Lamelo/Edwards/Killian/Cole

Atlanta: Edwards/Haliburton/Okoro

Knicks: Haliburton/Cole

Chicago: Deni/Okoro/S.Bey/J.Mcdaniel

Charlotte: Okongu/McDaniel/Josh Green

Washington: Okongu/Josh Green/Maxey/Cole/Alex Pou

Phx: Cole/Maxey/J.Mcdaniel/J.Smith

San Ant: Saadiq Bey/Aaron Nesmith/Alex Pou

NoLa: Nesmith/Maxey/Jalen Smith/Alex Pou

Portland: J.Mcdaniel/Josh Green/RJ Hampton/J.Smith

Orlando: Tyrese Maxey/Tyrell Terry/Payton Pritchard

[RHODEY]

Fit wise:

Golden State: Wiseman (they lying)

Cleveland: Obi (once they accept it’ll take an asset attached to trade Love)

Minnesota: Deni/Okongu/Okoro

Detroit: Lamelo/Edwards/Killian/Cole

Atlanta: Edwards/Haliburton/Okoro

Knicks: Haliburton/Cole



Chicago: Deni/Okoro/S.Bey/J.Mcdaniel

Charlotte: Okongu/McDaniel/Josh Green

Washington: Okongu/Josh Green/Maxey/Cole/Alex Pou

Phx: Cole/Maxey/J.Mcdaniel/J.Smith

San Ant: Saadiq Bey/Aaron Nesmith/Alex Pou

NoLa: Nesmith/Maxey/Jalen Smith/Alex Pou

Portland: J.Mcdaniel/Josh Green/RJ Hampton/J.Smith

Orlando: Tyrese Maxey/Tyrell Terry/Payton Pritchard

[Deeeez Knicks]

Find a way to get LaMelo or take Hayes/Haliburton. Still seems like the best option. I still can't talk myself into taking Cole.

[RHODEY]

Find a way to get LaMelo or take Hayes/Haliburton. Still seems like the best option. I still can't talk myself into taking Cole.

Agreed...

[VirginiaKnickFan]

Warriors prefer Anthony Edwards in NBA Draft to revive dynasty.

If the ping-pong balls come up Warriors and they don’t trade the pick — as general manager Bob Myers said he is open to doing — the likely selection is Edwards, according to the San Francisco Chronicle.

If the Warriors slip to No. 2-5 and Edwards is off the board, the options are Iowa State’s Tyrese Haliburton, Auburn’s Isaac Okoro, Israel’s Deni Avdija and others, per the report. There is no consensus top pick in the draft this year.

https://nypost.com/2020/06/08/warriors-prefer-anthony-edwards-in-nba-draft-to-revive-dynasty/