2020 Presidential Election (All Serious POVs Welcome)

[Stannis]

Have to agree with this. Dont be so desperate for republican votes. Jesus christ

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[Clyde_Style]

Here's an idea. If COVID numbers get better, that's good for Trump. If they get worse ... ?

GONYK, time for one of your famous dancing parties down in the heart of Texas. Indoors, no masks! I'm afraid you're goink to have to take one for the team.

Clyde, you got Florida. Time for a few BBQ parties at your place No masks!

Get those numbers back up! #Biden/Harris.

Tested or untested a vaccines about to be released in the oct/ early nov timeframe, watch.

Oh right. Trump's campaign will hire a bunch of actors and phony doctors to go on record and say how much the vaccines helped them. There is nothing beyond his madness.

Seriously, Biden has to made a sharp left turn and go big on a couple of big issues to get people's attention and generate some Big Mo. Hammering Trump for being a stooge isn't going to be enough. He's a schoolyard bully. That strategy doesn't work on them. They just stay on the attack. He's a sociopath. So going after him personally isn't going to work.

I hate the way the vaccines are already politicized. It sucks to have a corrupt administration playing doctor with no regard for science, because it plays directly into the hands of the anti-vaxxer looney toons out there. They already want to have nothing to do with vaccines, but many of us won't want to have anything to do with a vaccine promoted by Trump either, so it will really undermine the process of restoring some post-covid normalcy. I'm not going to take anything released this Fall by these fukkers and I expect many will feel the same. I will wait sometime in 2021 to see how that plays out and if new vaccines emerge.

As far as strategy, you're still stuck on what YOU want Biden to do instead of the way things are going and what actually will move the needle. Why are you losing the plot so quickly? Who needs to talk about being a stooge when you've got Trump on his heels for calling war dead suckers and losers? Focus!

[Clyde_Style]

Have to agree with this. Dont be so desperate for republican votes. Jesus christ

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This is also another example of what YOU don't like, which has nothing to do with what will work or not.

You're missing the point of pushing the trend of Republicans voting for Biden which is herd psychology.

There is a real thing called critical mass based on siding with winners and avoiding losers.

While everyone here is squawking about don't get overconfident you're missing the mind game this is about which is pushing the narrative deep into the psyches of average Republicans that their guy is already a loser and many of the people they personally voted for are voting for Biden.

Winner Syndrome is a viable strategy.

I don't give a rats ass if your sensibilities are offended by Democrats promoting that Republicans are switching to them. This is not about your sensibilities, it's about those voters and how they will feel when they keep getting daily confirmations that many of the people they've been aligned with are abandoning Trump. It creates psychological pressure that encourages them to jump ship.

Stop looking at everyone through your filters. This is not about what you like. It is about winning the most important election in our lifetimes.

[HarthorneWingo]

Have to agree with this. Dont be so desperate for republican votes. Jesus christ

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This is also another example of what YOU don't like, which has nothing to do with what will work or not.

You're missing the point of pushing the trend of Republicans voting for Biden which is herd psychology.

There is a real thing called critical mass based on siding with winners and avoiding losers.

While everyone here is squawking about don't get overconfident you're missing the mind game this is about which is pushing the narrative deep into the psyches of average Republicans that their guy is already a loser and many of the people they personally voted for are voting for Biden.

Winner Syndrome is a viable strategy.

I don't give a rats ass if your sensibilities are offended by Democrats promoting that Republicans are switching to them. This is not about your sensibilities, it's about those voters and how they will feel when they keep getting daily confirmations that many of the people they've been aligned with are abandoning Trump. It creates psychological pressure that encourages them to jump ship.

Stop looking at everyone through your filters. This is not about what you like. It is about winning the most important election in our lifetimes.

90% of Republicans approve of Trump. What more do you need to know? You think Biden is going to play some kind of voodoo jedi mind trick on them? Republicans would rather work with Putin than with Democrats. This is strategy sucks. You watch. I'm calling it now.

[Stannis]

Have to agree with this. Dont be so desperate for republican votes. Jesus christ

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This is also another example of what YOU don't like, which has nothing to do with what will work or not.

You're missing the point of pushing the trend of Republicans voting for Biden which is herd psychology.

There is a real thing called critical mass based on siding with winners and avoiding losers.

While everyone here is squawking about don't get overconfident you're missing the mind game this is about which is pushing the narrative deep into the psyches of average Republicans that their guy is already a loser and many of the people they personally voted for are voting for Biden.

Winner Syndrome is a viable strategy.

I don't give a rats ass if your sensibilities are offended by Democrats promoting that Republicans are switching to them. This is not about your sensibilities, it's about those voters and how they will feel when they keep getting daily confirmations that many of the people they've been aligned with are abandoning Trump. It creates psychological pressure that encourages them to jump ship.

Stop looking at everyone through your filters. This is not about what you like. It is about winning the most important election in our lifetimes.

This isn't just me. Thousands in Flint and millions of Americans had an an issue with how he handled the toxic water crisis.

Call it sensibility if you want. It was more than that though.

Nothing says we love the minority working class like getting the guy who knew about your toxic water.

This is disgraceful. And it really shows who they are willing to work with as long as they are voting against Trump.

[Clyde_Style]

Have to agree with this. Dont be so desperate for republican votes. Jesus christ

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This is also another example of what YOU don't like, which has nothing to do with what will work or not.

You're missing the point of pushing the trend of Republicans voting for Biden which is herd psychology.

There is a real thing called critical mass based on siding with winners and avoiding losers.

While everyone here is squawking about don't get overconfident you're missing the mind game this is about which is pushing the narrative deep into the psyches of average Republicans that their guy is already a loser and many of the people they personally voted for are voting for Biden.

Winner Syndrome is a viable strategy.

I don't give a rats ass if your sensibilities are offended by Democrats promoting that Republicans are switching to them. This is not about your sensibilities, it's about those voters and how they will feel when they keep getting daily confirmations that many of the people they've been aligned with are abandoning Trump. It creates psychological pressure that encourages them to jump ship.

Stop looking at everyone through your filters. This is not about what you like. It is about winning the most important election in our lifetimes.

90% of Republicans approve of Trump. What more do you need to know? You think Biden is going to play some kind of voodoo jedi mind trick on them? Republicans would rather work with Putin than with Democrats. This is strategy sucks. You watch. I'm calling it now.

That completely misses the point, because when a poller now collects data that would be 90% of those who STILL identify as Republican. There has been a steady tide of people leaving the GOP forever that can now turn into a healthy torrent leading into the elections.

Furthermore, the simultaneous growth in Democratic voter registrations is something like 4 to 1 in many areas. Some of those people were once Republicans

[HarthorneWingo]

This is also another example of what YOU don't like, which has nothing to do with what will work or not.

You're missing the point of pushing the trend of Republicans voting for Biden which is herd psychology.

There is a real thing called critical mass based on siding with winners and avoiding losers.

While everyone here is squawking about don't get overconfident you're missing the mind game this is about which is pushing the narrative deep into the psyches of average Republicans that their guy is already a loser and many of the people they personally voted for are voting for Biden.

Winner Syndrome is a viable strategy.

I don't give a rats ass if your sensibilities are offended by Democrats promoting that Republicans are switching to them. This is not about your sensibilities, it's about those voters and how they will feel when they keep getting daily confirmations that many of the people they've been aligned with are abandoning Trump. It creates psychological pressure that encourages them to jump ship.

Stop looking at everyone through your filters. This is not about what you like. It is about winning the most important election in our lifetimes.

90% of Republicans approve of Trump. What more do you need to know? You think Biden is going to play some kind of voodoo jedi mind trick on them? Republicans would rather work with Putin than with Democrats. This is strategy sucks. You watch. I'm calling it now.

That completely misses the point, because when a poller now collects data that would be 90% of those who STILL identify as Republican. There has been a steady tide of people leaving the GOP forever that can now turn into a healthy torrent leading into the elections.

Furthermore, the simultaneous growth in Democratic voter registrations is something like 4 to 1 in many areas. Some of those people were once Republicans

I've heard that. Is it backed up statistically? You got any sauce?

[Clyde_Style]

Have to agree with this. Dont be so desperate for republican votes. Jesus christ

Read on Twitter

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This is also another example of what YOU don't like, which has nothing to do with what will work or not.

You're missing the point of pushing the trend of Republicans voting for Biden which is herd psychology.

There is a real thing called critical mass based on siding with winners and avoiding losers.

While everyone here is squawking about don't get overconfident you're missing the mind game this is about which is pushing the narrative deep into the psyches of average Republicans that their guy is already a loser and many of the people they personally voted for are voting for Biden.

Winner Syndrome is a viable strategy.

I don't give a rats ass if your sensibilities are offended by Democrats promoting that Republicans are switching to them. This is not about your sensibilities, it's about those voters and how they will feel when they keep getting daily confirmations that many of the people they've been aligned with are abandoning Trump. It creates psychological pressure that encourages them to jump ship.

Stop looking at everyone through your filters. This is not about what you like. It is about winning the most important election in our lifetimes.

This isn't just me. Thousands in Flint and millions of Americans had an an issue with how he handled the toxic water crisis.

Call it sensibility if you want. It was more than that though.

Nothing says we love the minority working class like getting the guy who knew about your toxic water.

This is disgraceful. And it really shows who they are willing to work with as long as they are voting against Trump.

OK, so you're saying that this particular guy is bad news. OK, but I was shooting down objections to promoting Republicans switching to Biden which is an effective strategy and it is gaining serious momentum.

Even if you are disgusted, your objections are still not something that is going to get someone in Flint to switch from Biden to Trump. If your water supply was not cleaned up by a Republican douchebag, you're not going to switch to the GOP because that d-bag is now voting for Biden.

Still, even if the spin is to say hey look! Even the d-bags are voting for Biden now! that is like a bat signal to other d-bags that Trump is a loser

Overall, I'm not attacking you or Wingo's sensibilities, because I also don't give a rat's ass if I'm offended by whom comes out for Biden and whether they trumpet that or not. I don't even like half of these people, but that's the point. You need lots of votes from people who may completely suck and I'll roll out the red carpet for them as long as it means Biden wins and the Senate can then stomp the GOP to death

[Clyde_Style]

90% of Republicans approve of Trump. What more do you need to know? You think Biden is going to play some kind of voodoo jedi mind trick on them? Republicans would rather work with Putin than with Democrats. This is strategy sucks. You watch. I'm calling it now.

That completely misses the point, because when a poller now collects data that would be 90% of those who STILL identify as Republican. There has been a steady tide of people leaving the GOP forever that can now turn into a healthy torrent leading into the elections.

Furthermore, the simultaneous growth in Democratic voter registrations is something like 4 to 1 in many areas. Some of those people were once Republicans

I've heard that. Is it backed up statistically? You got any sauce?

I've seen the 4 to 1 registration ratio mentioned for TX in particular and another state I forgot.

the people leaving the GOP is highly anecdotal and they've been declaring their exit for several years now on Twitter. I've seen one or more almost every time I've spent more than ten minutes on Twitter. And that is accelerating pretty hard.

But it left the realm of the anecdotal with full page ads in the Wall Street Journal with over a hundred of the biggest names in the history of the GOP declaring their intention to vote for Biden

Plus you've had similar blanket declarative statements by high ranking retired military leaders who are more likely Republican than not. This was also a way for active top ranking military and generals to have a proxy voice since they can't tip their hand to Trump and their profession does not look kindly on political utterances by active members anyway

There's the obvious example of GOP operatives bailing liked the Lincoln Project which got lots of support

There are numerous Anti-Trump groups now with the word Republican in their names

And there are a healthy faction of Never Trumpers who opposed Trump from the get go and never wavered. Many of them have left the party and they are pretty much all voting for Biden automatically

You can research it yourself if you want, but it is clear the GOP has been losing support and the Democrats registrations are growing so the percentage of Trump support within the GOP at 90% does not equal the same amount of people as 90% did in 2016.

[Pointgod]

He has plenty of stuff pre obama to go in on Biden with. I doubt he'll do it coherently, but there are definitely things to go after

The problem still remains that Trump is President and he’s running on a record. He can point to all of the stuff in Bidens past but that doesn’t really matter because Biden is not running as the past Biden. He’s running as the 2020 Biden on the most Progressive platform. And any direct comparison of Biden to Trump, Trump loses. Remember this past week was the law and order message which has mixed results, but now Trump has changed the conversation to himself with the comments about the military and it’s unilaterally bad for Trump.

But you're a sophisticated voter. Most people aren't. They're going to catch the headline and the post-mortems or they'll listen to what Fox News says about it. They're very good at creating their own reality even if it's not supported by the facts.

You know what headlines look bad.

“Trump calls military a bunch of losers and suckers”
“Coronavirus deaths are over 200000”

The point isn’t to get the hardcore Trump base and Fox News watchers. It’s the people that don’t follow politics. You convince them that Trump is rotten, he hasn’t done anything he promised and that they’re actually worse off than they were 4 years ago and under Biden they’ll be better off. Trump is not a capable leader. Biden is.

[Pointgod]

The poll here has gone from 12 Trump supporters to 17 over the past few days

Do any of you lurkers have the integrity to admit you support election fraud?

Since it is no longer possible to vote for Trump without supporting election fraud, do any of you actually have the courage to admit that you support stealing elections?

Or will you just lurk in the shadows?

This is why online polls are so unreliable. I’m sure there are people who voted Trump just to troll. Ballsacbounce is literally the only Trump supporter in this thread. It seems much like real life, a lot of Trumps support is illegitimate

[mpharris36]

Here's an idea. If COVID numbers get better, that's good for Trump. If they get worse ... ?

GONYK, time for one of your famous dancing parties down in the heart of Texas. Indoors, no masks! I'm afraid you're goink to have to take one for the team.

Clyde, you got Florida. Time for a few BBQ parties at your place No masks!

Get those numbers back up! #Biden/Harris.

or just have Cuomo send more Covid patients and put them in nursing homes, am I right?

[GONYK]

Trump going dark in AZ

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[Jeff Van Gully]

The poll here has gone from 12 Trump supporters to 17 over the past few days

Do any of you lurkers have the integrity to admit you support election fraud?

Since it is no longer possible to vote for Trump without supporting election fraud, do any of you actually have the courage to admit that you support stealing elections?

Or will you just lurk in the shadows?

the entire point of a poll is for people to chime in without having to deal with being bullied. dial it back. -JVG

1. no one owes you the confrontation you appear to crave so much. take a serious chill pill.

2. very few of us involved in this conversation have stated specifically who you are voting for. for all you know, you've already interacted with all 12 readers who chose trump.

3. stop bullying. there are a million ways to respectfully ask your question or challenge what you believe support for trump entails. this is not the kind of conversation we want here. you know that. and if tables were turned you'd be one of the first ones up in arms about the tone of a trump supporter's approach. your insinuation of cowardice is exactly the kind of thing that prevents the productive discourse we agreed upon when we allowed this thread.

[Jeff Van Gully]

we have given a LOT of chances on this thread. some of you have started to get in-message AND official warnings.

think twice before you post. read that **** three or four times if you have to before you hit "submit." if you can't be respectful, even in disagreement, there will be consequences.

-JVG

[BallSacBounce]

The poll here has gone from 12 Trump supporters to 17 over the past few days

Do any of you lurkers have the integrity to admit you support election fraud?

Since it is no longer possible to vote for Trump without supporting election fraud, do any of you actually have the courage to admit that you support stealing elections?

Or will you just lurk in the shadows?

This is why online polls are so unreliable. I’m sure there are people who voted Trump just to troll. Ballsacbounce is literally the only Trump supporter in this thread. It seems much like real life, a lot of Trumps support is illegitimate

This is true. I'm here to draw your attention away while my quick hitting team of MAGA Ninjas rappel in to steal your election. Those tens of millions of Trump voters in 2016 were almost entirely made up of Russian bots, we have them everywhere.

[Jeff Van Gully]

That completely misses the point, because when a poller now collects data that would be 90% of those who STILL identify as Republican. There has been a steady tide of people leaving the GOP forever that can now turn into a healthy torrent leading into the elections.

Furthermore, the simultaneous growth in Democratic voter registrations is something like 4 to 1 in many areas. Some of those people were once Republicans

I've heard that. Is it backed up statistically? You got any sauce?

I've seen the 4 to 1 registration ratio mentioned for TX in particular and another state I forgot.

the people leaving the GOP is highly anecdotal and they've been declaring their exit for several years now on Twitter. I've seen one or more almost every time I've spent more than ten minutes on Twitter. And that is accelerating pretty hard.

But it left the realm of the anecdotal with full page ads in the Wall Street Journal with over a hundred of the biggest names in the history of the GOP declaring their intention to vote for Biden

Plus you've had similar blanket declarative statements by high ranking retired military leaders who are more likely Republican than not. This was also a way for active top ranking military and generals to have a proxy voice since they can't tip their hand to Trump and their profession does not look kindly on political utterances by active members anyway

There's the obvious example of GOP operatives bailing liked the Lincoln Project which got lots of support

There are numerous Anti-Trump groups now with the word Republican in their names

And there are a healthy faction of Never Trumpers who opposed Trump from the get go and never wavered. Many of them have left the party and they are pretty much all voting for Biden automatically

You can research it yourself if you want, but it is clear the GOP has been losing support and the Democrats registrations are growing so the percentage of Trump support within the GOP at 90% does not equal the same amount of people as 90% did in 2016.

wouldn't the low turnout of the last presidential election suggest that many are inclined to abstain instead of vote across the aisle?

[Jeff Van Gully]

Have to agree with this. Dont be so desperate for republican votes. Jesus christ

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agreed. it's cool to believe he is voting for you as a matter of conscience. it's another to advertise support for and from someone who should not be amplified. you could just as easily not acknowledge it.

not everyone likes or needs to like everyone else who votes alike. something like that.

[GONYK]

I've heard that. Is it backed up statistically? You got any sauce?

I've seen the 4 to 1 registration ratio mentioned for TX in particular and another state I forgot.

the people leaving the GOP is highly anecdotal and they've been declaring their exit for several years now on Twitter. I've seen one or more almost every time I've spent more than ten minutes on Twitter. And that is accelerating pretty hard.

But it left the realm of the anecdotal with full page ads in the Wall Street Journal with over a hundred of the biggest names in the history of the GOP declaring their intention to vote for Biden

Plus you've had similar blanket declarative statements by high ranking retired military leaders who are more likely Republican than not. This was also a way for active top ranking military and generals to have a proxy voice since they can't tip their hand to Trump and their profession does not look kindly on political utterances by active members anyway

There's the obvious example of GOP operatives bailing liked the Lincoln Project which got lots of support

There are numerous Anti-Trump groups now with the word Republican in their names

And there are a healthy faction of Never Trumpers who opposed Trump from the get go and never wavered. Many of them have left the party and they are pretty much all voting for Biden automatically

You can research it yourself if you want, but it is clear the GOP has been losing support and the Democrats registrations are growing so the percentage of Trump support within the GOP at 90% does not equal the same amount of people as 90% did in 2016.

wouldn't the low turnout of the last presidential election suggest that many are inclined to abstain instead of vote across the aisle?

Or, it's also plausible that they abstained last time, didn't like how it turned out, and will vote this time.

Polling shows Joe Biden has made significant gains with white Americans that lines up with that behavior.

[Jeff Van Gully]

I've seen the 4 to 1 registration ratio mentioned for TX in particular and another state I forgot.

the people leaving the GOP is highly anecdotal and they've been declaring their exit for several years now on Twitter. I've seen one or more almost every time I've spent more than ten minutes on Twitter. And that is accelerating pretty hard.

But it left the realm of the anecdotal with full page ads in the Wall Street Journal with over a hundred of the biggest names in the history of the GOP declaring their intention to vote for Biden

Plus you've had similar blanket declarative statements by high ranking retired military leaders who are more likely Republican than not. This was also a way for active top ranking military and generals to have a proxy voice since they can't tip their hand to Trump and their profession does not look kindly on political utterances by active members anyway

There's the obvious example of GOP operatives bailing liked the Lincoln Project which got lots of support

There are numerous Anti-Trump groups now with the word Republican in their names

And there are a healthy faction of Never Trumpers who opposed Trump from the get go and never wavered. Many of them have left the party and they are pretty much all voting for Biden automatically

You can research it yourself if you want, but it is clear the GOP has been losing support and the Democrats registrations are growing so the percentage of Trump support within the GOP at 90% does not equal the same amount of people as 90% did in 2016.

wouldn't the low turnout of the last presidential election suggest that many are inclined to abstain instead of vote across the aisle?

Or, it's also plausible that they abstained last time, didn't like how it turned out, and will vote this time.

Polling shows Joe Biden has made significant gains with white Americans that lines up with that behavior.

inshallah. lol. i'm just saying i can't believe it until i see it. but word.