2020 Presidential Election Thread presents: The Aftermath (Part 2)

[Clyde_Style]

From a political strategy perspective, what the GOP needs right now is an issue that help re-unify the party after showing this sort of clear division. An opportunity to argue against impeachment would do that, but invoking the 25th would not.

On the Dem side, the opposite is true - attempting to impeach would help unify the GOP and reestablish partisan lines while the 25th would further fracture the GOP alliances.

That is why I don't see either being a likely outcome. Ultimately self-preservation and political aspiration will supersede protecting the country for the next 2 weeks.

Sorry, I found your reasoning hard to follow. If you're saying fighting impeachment is a good opportunity for the GOP to unify its party then I have no idea where you get that belief from when it would just be doubling down on defending a traitor. Maybe I don't understand what you're trying to say.

It was confusing logic, sorry.

My point was that I don't see the GOP initiating impeachment nor the 25th amendment proceedings given neither action would help the party unify if the GOP side is the one initiating.

If the Dems initiate a second round of impeachment proceedings, it would help the GOP solidify in defense along partisan lines, so the Dems would be unlikely to initiate.

Obviously Dems can't initiate the 25th amendment proceedings.

Therefore, I don't see a path to either proceeding happening over the next 2 weeks.

Pelosi holds a vote for impeachment in the house and passes it to the Senate to convict. They would not be able to hold a real trial as the process usually dictates, but I don't think that would be the point. It would have to be a slam bang thank you maam affair with a summary, a few speeches, letting the handful of objectors speak (trust me, it wouldn't be many) then holding a vote. Mitch would then have to do the same.

The 25th must be initiated by Pence. I don't place any odds on it now, but I think something is up and they may have the support of enough cabinet members to do it.

[dakomish23]

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These guys can’t even riot right

[AmaresKnees]

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These guys can’t even riot right

Seems like the cops gave the classic Amare fake hustle defense and just let these rioters walk into the paint. Great.

[dakomish23]

“The storm is coming “. 5+ years and not a dark cloud in sight.

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[Clyde_Style]

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These guys can’t even riot right

It's a frat party to them. Most of those people have no thoughts about actual policy or the value of the constitution. You're either in their fraternity and support the eternal power of their idol or you must be destroyed. That's not protest. It's just them being who they truly want to be, a savage tribe who can't be told what to do. You lost? You can't tell us we lost. No, you really lost a fair election. FU, you stole it from us, because we want it and we're going to have it. These are literally children pouting, except they have guns and a desire to kill the opposition. All this time it was MAGA's favorite go-to move to claim the left was violent. There are always going to be some violent people of all persuasions, but the only organized violent militias doing this are Trump supporters.

[NYG]

Democrats and Republicans are such babies, rioting over an election is ridiculous both in 2016 and 2020. Most democrats and republicans I know have lost their minds. It’s a shame, politics is gross. I’m going to slowly disassociate with people that are either republican or democrat because their division is ruining this country for the rest of us.

[Clyde_Style]

Democrats and Republicans are such babies, rioting over an election is ridiculous both in 2016 and 2020. Most democrats and republicans I know have lost their minds. It’s a shame, politics is gross. I’m going to slowly disassociate with people that are either republican or democrat because their division is ruining this country for the rest of us.

Good. Put all of us on ignore then, because that is what I'm doing to you now since you think everyone is the same and that what happened today was somehow equally attributable to members of both political parties which is practically one of the dumbest things I've ever heard after such a disgraceful display of treason by Trump supporters.

[NYG]

Democrats and Republicans are such babies, rioting over an election is ridiculous both in 2016 and 2020. Most democrats and republicans I know have lost their minds. It’s a shame, politics is gross. I’m going to slowly disassociate with people that are either republican or democrat because their division is ruining this country for the rest of us.

Good. Put all of us on ignore them, because that is what I'm doing to you now since you think everyone is the same and that what happened today was somehow equally attributable to members of both political parties which is practically one of the dumbest things I've ever heard after such a disgraceful display of treason by Trump supporters.

Don’t get me wrong... Trumpers actions today were horrible and disgusting. I’m just saying rioting over an election result is not acceptable behavior.

[Clyde_Style]

Democrats and Republicans are such babies, rioting over an election is ridiculous both in 2016 and 2020. Most democrats and republicans I know have lost their minds. It’s a shame, politics is gross. I’m going to slowly disassociate with people that are either republican or democrat because their division is ruining this country for the rest of us.

Good. Put all of us on ignore them, because that is what I'm doing to you now since you think everyone is the same and that what happened today was somehow equally attributable to members of both political parties which is practically one of the dumbest things I've ever heard after such a disgraceful display of treason by Trump supporters.

Don’t get me wrong... Trumpers actions today were horrible and disgusting. I’m just saying rioting over an election result is not acceptable behavior.

Wow, you really need to work on your communication skills. Of course it is not acceptable to try to break down the doors of Congress because you don't like the results of a fair election. You said a lot more than that though and it was pretty insulting to the intelligence of the many engaged and serious folks who populate this board, people who are deeply concerned about the fate of our democracy. You trivialized them by attributing equal blame for being on opposites of a divide. If you're on one side of the river and the people on the other side of the river are pouring toxic waste into a common resource, do you claim both sides are equally responsible?

And what is this rubbish about never associating with someone who is registered with either party? Are you going to place ads seeking only the company of other estranged non-partisan independents? Sounds like a small world you'd be creating for yourself. I'm sorry, but it was just a ridiculous post. And it was highly confrontational to show up in a thread you don't participate in and post that. It was like you wanted to show contempt for everyone and you succeeded.

[NYG]

Good. Put all of us on ignore them, because that is what I'm doing to you now since you think everyone is the same and that what happened today was somehow equally attributable to members of both political parties which is practically one of the dumbest things I've ever heard after such a disgraceful display of treason by Trump supporters.

Don’t get me wrong... Trumpers actions today were horrible and disgusting. I’m just saying rioting over an election result is not acceptable behavior.

Wow, you really need to work on your communication skills. Of course it is not acceptable to try to break down the doors of Congress because you don't like the results of a fair election. You said a lot more than that though and it was pretty insulting to the intelligence of the many engaged and serious folks who populate this board, people who are deeply concerned about the fate of our democracy. You trivialized them by attributing equal blame for being on opposites of a divide. If you're on one side of the river and the people on the other side of the river are pouring toxic waste into a common resource, do you claim both sides are equally responsible?

And what is this rubbish about never associating with someone who is registered with either party? Are you going to place ads seeking only the company of other estranged non-partisan independents? Sounds like a small world you'd be creating for yourself. I'm sorry, but it was just a ridiculous post. And it was highly confrontational to show up in a thread you don't participate in. It was like you wanted to show contempt for everyone and you succeeded.

I get that, I apologize. Today’s actions just make me angry and I don’t see it going anywhere which stresses me out for the future. I’m probably just saying non-sense out of frustration. I’m not blaming Democrats at all, sorry if I worded it that way. I just think after social media today, I just saw the worst of both sides and I just needed to let some anger out.

Regardless of which side we are on, today was very sad. The current state of things is very sad. I just want it to get better.

[Clyde_Style]

Don’t get me wrong... Trumpers actions today were horrible and disgusting. I’m just saying rioting over an election result is not acceptable behavior.

Wow, you really need to work on your communication skills. Of course it is not acceptable to try to break down the doors of Congress because you don't like the results of a fair election. You said a lot more than that though and it was pretty insulting to the intelligence of the many engaged and serious folks who populate this board, people who are deeply concerned about the fate of our democracy. You trivialized them by attributing equal blame for being on opposites of a divide. If you're on one side of the river and the people on the other side of the river are pouring toxic waste into a common resource, do you claim both sides are equally responsible?

And what is this rubbish about never associating with someone who is registered with either party? Are you going to place ads seeking only the company of other estranged non-partisan independents? Sounds like a small world you'd be creating for yourself. I'm sorry, but it was just a ridiculous post. And it was highly confrontational to show up in a thread you don't participate in. It was like you wanted to show contempt for everyone and you succeeded.

I get that, I apologize. Today’s actions just make me angry and I don’t see it going anywhere which stresses me out for the future. I’m probably just saying non-sense out of frustration. I’m not blaming Democrats at all, sorry if I worded it that way. I just think after social media today, I just saw the worst of both sides and I just needed to let some anger out.

Regardless of which side we are on, today was very sad. The current state of things is very sad. I just want it to get better.

OK, apology accepted.

Just remember that reacting to actual evil or corruption does not put someone on the same plane as the people or things being criticized. Trump is a genuinely evil person and it does not make me a social media blowhard to say that. You have to be able to hear that. He is literally trying to overthrow the government to remain in power. This is not the time to dabble in false equivalencies like all politicians are corrupt. NO, these are deeply corrupt and dangerous people and there is literally NO comparison between parties.

The GOP has hitched its wagon to high treason and now that it is blowing up in their faces some of them are acting like they never signed up for this. You have to be wiser than to pin the blame for all of that on Democrats. It just muddies the whole notion of democracy and justice. There is anger and blame for good reason and you can't avoid it, because this was one of the worst moments in American history. Please don't ever forget that and remember who is to blame for that.

[NYG]

Wow, you really need to work on your communication skills. Of course it is not acceptable to try to break down the doors of Congress because you don't like the results of a fair election. You said a lot more than that though and it was pretty insulting to the intelligence of the many engaged and serious folks who populate this board, people who are deeply concerned about the fate of our democracy. You trivialized them by attributing equal blame for being on opposites of a divide. If you're on one side of the river and the people on the other side of the river are pouring toxic waste into a common resource, do you claim both sides are equally responsible?

And what is this rubbish about never associating with someone who is registered with either party? Are you going to place ads seeking only the company of other estranged non-partisan independents? Sounds like a small world you'd be creating for yourself. I'm sorry, but it was just a ridiculous post. And it was highly confrontational to show up in a thread you don't participate in. It was like you wanted to show contempt for everyone and you succeeded.

I get that, I apologize. Today’s actions just make me angry and I don’t see it going anywhere which stresses me out for the future. I’m probably just saying non-sense out of frustration. I’m not blaming Democrats at all, sorry if I worded it that way. I just think after social media today, I just saw the worst of both sides and I just needed to let some anger out.

Regardless of which side we are on, today was very sad. The current state of things is very sad. I just want it to get better.

OK, apology accepted.

Just remember that reacting to actual evil or corruption does not put someone on the same plane as the people or things being criticized. Trump is a genuinely evil person and it does not make me a social media blowhard to say that. You have to be able to hear that. He is literally trying to overthrow the government to remain in power. This is not the time to dabble in false equivalencies like all politicians are corrupt. NO, these are deeply corrupt and dangerous people and there is literally NO comparison between parties.

The GOP has hitched its wagon to high treason and now that it is blowing up in their faces some of them are acting like they never signed up for this. You have to be wiser than to pin the blame for all of that on Democrats. It just muddies the whole notion of democracy and justice. There is anger and blame for good reason and you can't avoid it, because this was one of the worst moments in American history. Please don't ever forget that and remember who is to blame for that.

Thanks for accepting my apology, today was just a rough day and like I said, I’m probably just saying non-sense with so many emotions running through me (anxiety, stress, anger, sadness).

And Yeah I completely understand and agree. I just wish things never got to this point because regardless of the evils and the causes, I don’t see any end to it and the fact it exists at all is upsetting.

[Clyde_Style]

I get that, I apologize. Today’s actions just make me angry and I don’t see it going anywhere which stresses me out for the future. I’m probably just saying non-sense out of frustration. I’m not blaming Democrats at all, sorry if I worded it that way. I just think after social media today, I just saw the worst of both sides and I just needed to let some anger out.

Regardless of which side we are on, today was very sad. The current state of things is very sad. I just want it to get better.

OK, apology accepted.

Just remember that reacting to actual evil or corruption does not put someone on the same plane as the people or things being criticized. Trump is a genuinely evil person and it does not make me a social media blowhard to say that. You have to be able to hear that. He is literally trying to overthrow the government to remain in power. This is not the time to dabble in false equivalencies like all politicians are corrupt. NO, these are deeply corrupt and dangerous people and there is literally NO comparison between parties.

The GOP has hitched its wagon to high treason and now that it is blowing up in their faces some of them are acting like they never signed up for this. You have to be wiser than to pin the blame for all of that on Democrats. It just muddies the whole notion of democracy and justice. There is anger and blame for good reason and you can't avoid it, because this was one of the worst moments in American history. Please don't ever forget that and remember who is to blame for that.

Thanks for accepting my apology, today was just a rough day and like I said, I’m probably just saying non-sense with so many emotions running through me (anxiety, stress, anger, sadness).

And Yeah I completely understand and agree. I just wish things never got to this point because regardless of the evils and the causes, I don’t see any end to it and the fact it exists at all is upsetting.

Unfortunately, Trumpism mainstreamed white nationalism that should have never become a legitimate movement again, but here we are. You do realize a lot of those people today admire Adolf Hitler. It is not a meme or an insult. America has a real Nazi problem.

That's why you need to hold it together and not let these forces of history render you incapable of the discernment that is required to know there are actual sides one must take if you want to be at peace with your own self. You're upset. We all are. But there is a clear right and wrong here. I'm glad we were able to clear that up.

[DOT]

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Nearly half of Republicans approve of the assault on Capitol Hill

This is beyond the point of no return for the party. This is who they are, this is who their base is. I know some "moderate" Republicans will clutch their pearls over me saying this, but if you still support these people who have instigated and enabled these terrorists, then you are part of the problem

When half of your political party thinks rioting and terrorism is not only acceptable but commendable, you need to re-evaluate what's actually important for your vote. Actions speak louder than words, and if you continue to stand side by side with these people while claiming to be disgusted by their actions, then you give them tacit approval, and I don't believe you're much better.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

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Nearly half of Republicans approve of the assault on Capitol Hill

This is beyond the point of no return for the party. This is who they are, this is who their base is. I know some "moderate" Republicans will clutch their pearls over me saying this, but if you still support these people who have instigated and enabled these terrorists, then you are part of the problem

When half of your political party thinks rioting and terrorism is not only acceptable but commendable, you need to re-evaluate what's actually important for your vote. Actions speak louder than words, and if you continue to stand side by side with these people while claiming to be disgusted by their actions, then you give them tacit approval, and I don't believe you're much better.

There's no fixing this to be honest.

[DOT]

There's no fixing this to be honest.

We have to forgive and forget

Move on, heal as a nation and a country

What we need right now is unity, not division

And not punish the Republican president who committed several crimes while in office, we can't appear too partisan

Now, the question is, am I talking about Trump, Nixon, Reagan, or Bush here?

[Clyde_Style]

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Nearly half of Republicans approve of the assault on Capitol Hill

This is beyond the point of no return for the party. This is who they are, this is who their base is. I know some "moderate" Republicans will clutch their pearls over me saying this, but if you still support these people who have instigated and enabled these terrorists, then you are part of the problem

When half of your political party thinks rioting and terrorism is not only acceptable but commendable, you need to re-evaluate what's actually important for your vote. Actions speak louder than words, and if you continue to stand side by side with these people while claiming to be disgusted by their actions, then you give them tacit approval, and I don't believe you're much better.

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[NoDopeOnSundays]

There's no fixing this to be honest.

We have to forgive and forget

Move on, heal as a nation and a country

What we need right now is unity, not division

And not punish the Republican president who committed several crimes while in office, we can't appear too partisan

Now, the question is, am I talking about Trump, Nixon, Reagan, or Bush here?

Also, the classic "We need to reach across the aisle"

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[robillionaire]

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Of course that's what it was for. The stuff at the michigan state house and the whitmer attempted kidnappers were a trial run for the real thing here. we just normalizing all this stuff now, I guess.