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Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor

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Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor 

Post#781 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:22 pm

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I'm not suggesting to not trade for him. I'm suggesting that we don't overpay.

Obi showed enough progress at the end of the year, that he's worth keeping.



I don't see how it's an overpay, we'd be trading 1 rotational player and a pick for a starter, Knox doesn't even play so being included in the trade is moot.

Obi could be John Collins someday, that doesn't change the fact he's not going to be a starter anytime soon as long as Randle is on the team. If we played smallball lineups I could see wanting to keep Obi, but we don't and Thibs is going to play Randle 35-38mpg next season.



It's this type of thinking that has doomed the Knicks for the last 2 decades. Overpaying for marginal talent, and then not having enough assets when a big trade comes along.

I'm not opposed to trading Obi.

I'm opposed to giving up 3 assets for Collin Freaking Sexton, who does not move the needle at all.



First and foremost he's not a marginal talent, secondly point out to me in the last 20 years where we traded for players who weren't already over the hill (Melo is the only prime player we ever traded for). This is nothing like our past moves, this is identifying a young player who actually fits in with what we do.


Knox isn't an asset, that is the problem here, you're viewing this as a 3 for 1. We're not playing 2 rookies next season, so that pick would be just another dude rotting on the bench next to Knox, and Obi is never going to get substantial minutes here because he has Randle in front of him. We'd still have a pick & caproom this summer to add more to the roster.
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Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor 

Post#782 » by Sark » Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:23 pm

Sexton is entering his 4th year of his rookie deal, and Cleveland will not extend him. If you wait 1 year, you can get him without giving up any assets.

Is Sexton's 4th season worth 3 assets? To me it's not, and the rest of the league probably thinks so too, or else Cleveland would be getting major offers.
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Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor 

Post#783 » by Chanel Bomber » Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:27 pm

Sark wrote:Sexton is entering his 4th year of his rookie deal, and Cleveland will not extend him. If you wait 1 year, you can get him without giving up any assets.

Is Sexton's 4th season worth 3 assets? To me it's not, and the rest of the league probably thinks so too, or else Cleveland would be getting major offers.

Then you risk losing him because other teams will join the fray and sign him to an offer sheet knowing they can pry him away from Cleveland. Or the Cavs might trade him to another team before the deadline, and Sexton decides to stay there.

This type of passivity is how we always end up with guys like Elfrid Payton in free agency.

The Knicks have to be more aggressive in getting the players they want at some point, especially in the backcourt.
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Re: Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor 

Post#784 » by Capn'O » Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:29 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:Luca Vildoza vs team USA rn


Any Bulldoza updates?
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Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor 

Post#785 » by Capn'O » Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:30 pm

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I don't see how it's an overpay, we'd be trading 1 rotational player and a pick for a starter, Knox doesn't even play so being included in the trade is moot.

Obi could be John Collins someday, that doesn't change the fact he's not going to be a starter anytime soon as long as Randle is on the team. If we played smallball lineups I could see wanting to keep Obi, but we don't and Thibs is going to play Randle 35-38mpg next season.



It's this type of thinking that has doomed the Knicks for the last 2 decades. Overpaying for marginal talent, and then not having enough assets when a big trade comes along.

I'm not opposed to trading Obi.

I'm opposed to giving up 3 assets for Collin Freaking Sexton, who does not move the needle at all.



First and foremost he's not a marginal talent, secondly point out to me in the last 20 years where we traded for players who weren't already over the hill (Melo is the only prime player we ever traded for). This is nothing like our past moves, this is identifying a young player who actually fits in with what we do.


Knox isn't an asset, that is the problem here, you're viewing this as a 3 for 1. We're not playing 2 rookies next season, so that pick would be just another dude rotting on the bench next to Knox, and Obi is never going to get substantial minutes here because he has Randle in front of him. We'd still have a pick & caproom this summer to add more to the roster.


How can I be the first person in this thread to bring up Stephon Marbury's name???
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Re: Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor 

Post#786 » by 3toheadmelo » Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:31 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:Luca Vildoza vs team USA rn


Any Bulldoza updates?

He’s been playing off the ball so not much has happened. He’s only taken 2 shots and made a 3
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Re: Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor 

Post#787 » by nedleeds » Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:31 pm

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Why are people comparing him to Booker? Sexton is 4 inches shorter.
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Post#788 » by F N 11 » Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:34 pm

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Why are people comparing him to Booker? Sexton is 4 inches shorter.

Comparing guys who were labeled empty stat guys.
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Post#789 » by Deeeez Knicks » Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:34 pm

Fiba Frank would actually be a good complement next to Sexton

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Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor 

Post#790 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:36 pm

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NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
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It's this type of thinking that has doomed the Knicks for the last 2 decades. Overpaying for marginal talent, and then not having enough assets when a big trade comes along.

I'm not opposed to trading Obi.

I'm opposed to giving up 3 assets for Collin Freaking Sexton, who does not move the needle at all.



First and foremost he's not a marginal talent, secondly point out to me in the last 20 years where we traded for players who weren't already over the hill (Melo is the only prime player we ever traded for). This is nothing like our past moves, this is identifying a young player who actually fits in with what we do.


Knox isn't an asset, that is the problem here, you're viewing this as a 3 for 1. We're not playing 2 rookies next season, so that pick would be just another dude rotting on the bench next to Knox, and Obi is never going to get substantial minutes here because he has Randle in front of him. We'd still have a pick & caproom this summer to add more to the roster.


How can I be the first person in this thread to bring up Stephon Marbury's name???



He had 1 good season with us and dropped off a cliff after that though, so just going by production we got him past his peak :lol:
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Re: Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor 

Post#792 » by HEZI » Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:37 pm

Deeeez Knicks wrote:Fiba Frank would actually be a good complement next to Sexton

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I was thinking about Lonzo. Knicks can still sign him and pair them up together. Might work out well
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Re: Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor 

Post#793 » by 3toheadmelo » Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:38 pm

Deeeez Knicks wrote:Fiba Frank would actually be a good complement next to Sexton

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Re: Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor 

Post#794 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:38 pm

Deeeez Knicks wrote:Fiba Frank would actually be a good complement next to Sexton

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You know who else would be great with him?

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Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor 

Post#795 » by Capn'O » Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:38 pm

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:

First and foremost he's not a marginal talent, secondly point out to me in the last 20 years where we traded for players who weren't already over the hill (Melo is the only prime player we ever traded for). This is nothing like our past moves, this is identifying a young player who actually fits in with what we do.


Knox isn't an asset, that is the problem here, you're viewing this as a 3 for 1. We're not playing 2 rookies next season, so that pick would be just another dude rotting on the bench next to Knox, and Obi is never going to get substantial minutes here because he has Randle in front of him. We'd still have a pick & caproom this summer to add more to the roster.


How can I be the first person in this thread to bring up Stephon Marbury's name???



He had 1 good season with us and dropped off a cliff after that though, so just going by production we got him past his peak :lol:


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Hey, I'm on your side of this argument, but you have to admit, he's a pretty good boogeyman here.
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Re: Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor 

Post#796 » by Signature NYK » Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:40 pm

Who got that Sexton in Knick jersey photoshop? Was looking for it but couldn't find it lol
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Re: Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor 

Post#797 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:40 pm

HEZI wrote:
Deeeez Knicks wrote:Fiba Frank would actually be a good complement next to Sexton

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I was thinking about Lonzo. Knicks can still sign him and pair them up together. Might work out well



This forum would be in meltdown mode before they even step foot on the floor together, it's actually the exact type of player you want next to Sexton, the ball mover glue guy that can run offense but will stand in the corner when he doesn't have the ball.
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Re: Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor 

Post#798 » by 3toheadmelo » Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:41 pm

Signature NYK wrote:Who got that Sexton in Knick jersey photoshop? Was looking for it but couldn't find it lol

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Re: Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor 

Post#799 » by HerSports85 » Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:44 pm

Can't see how anyone would be against this, if the asking price is accurate. This is a low risk/high reward trade if I've ever seen one.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but he's a RFA after next year. We can either let him walk if things go south or we have the opportunity to pair 2 max cats.

Then there's the other option of signing Beal or Lavine, and going over the cap to retain Randle and Sexton.

This is the type of move when I said I didn't want to commit any long-term money to anyone this off-season until we see if Randle can have a repeat season or improve, plus the free agency class is lovely.
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Post#800 » by DOT » Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:45 pm

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Signature NYK wrote:Who got that Sexton in Knick jersey photoshop? Was looking for it but couldn't find it lol

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I swear, every time I see this, it looks like he's bald and the hair is badly photoshopped on, and I can't unsee it.
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