2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas

[RHODEY]

And it was embraced sarcastically by those that watched his Dallas performances and knew we had something good brewing

Bogey's a better scorer, but a lot worse defensively. The old man is nearly Fournier bad, whereas Barnes could get on the court for Thibs regularly and as Wingo posted is at nearly 38% on good volume.

Barnes reminds me of cardboard...only less interesting.

That's fair, but we're talking about getting him for Fournier and a couple SRPs, that kind of package isn't exactly going to return a prime-MJ. It's not a big deal, but Barnes would give us cover in the one spot we have no injury insurance, and he's a good enough shooter + defender that he could step into our rotation and contribute positively if we ran into a matchup that required more size from the bench unit.

Oh yes of course I was being facetious. I didn't know he shot the 3 that well on decent volume...that would be a steal.

[RHODEY]

Raptors fan here, I think you guys have a solid team and Brunson is a legit NBA star. I am surprised you still have not traded for an elite wing scorer and defender. Even Paul George would look real good and elevate you guys into top 4 of the east.

Give us OG for Fournier and Grimes and we'll accomplish the same thing.

Raptors are retooling around OG and Barnes, Siakam available and they will give OG full max

Do you think OG is a max player?

[cgf]

Barnes reminds me of cardboard...only less interesting.

That's fair, but we're talking about getting him for Fournier and a couple SRPs, that kind of package isn't exactly going to return a prime-MJ. It's not a big deal, but Barnes would give us cover in the one spot we have no injury insurance, and he's a good enough shooter + defender that he could step into our rotation and contribute positively if we ran into a matchup that required more size from the bench unit.

Oh yes of course I was being facetious. I didn't know he shot the 3 that well on decent volume...that would be a steal.

He feels like a very gettable target if our FO doesn't have anything bigger planned for Fournier's expiring, since Sacramento sound like they want to do something and the obvious spot for them is to upgrade at the 4, with Barnes' salary being the most expendable to them in a trade for a 4.

So we should be able to come in and offer that third team an expiring + a little draft capital. Ideally just a couple SRPs, but if we had to include that WAS FRP, I'd probably still pull the trigger. Even if we didn't end up needing him this season, it would be nice to have guys we could trust to step into the rotation at all 3 levels; McBride (G), Barnes (F), Sims (C).

[WargamesX]

I wonder how many draft picks would we have to add for Fournier to get De’andre Hunter? His game is slower than the majority of the hawks and he’s giving up playing defense over there consistent (because they don’t do team defense) but I think he would fit here as a cost control 3rd forward.

[RHODEY]

That's fair, but we're talking about getting him for Fournier and a couple SRPs, that kind of package isn't exactly going to return a prime-MJ. It's not a big deal, but Barnes would give us cover in the one spot we have no injury insurance, and he's a good enough shooter + defender that he could step into our rotation and contribute positively if we ran into a matchup that required more size from the bench unit.

Oh yes of course I was being facetious. I didn't know he shot the 3 that well on decent volume...that would be a steal.

He feels like a very gettable target if our FO doesn't have anything bigger planned for Fournier's expiring, since Sacramento sound like they want to do something and the obvious spot for them is to upgrade at the 4, with Barnes' salary being the most expendable to them in a trade for a 4.

So we should be able to come in and offer that third team an expiring + a little draft capital. Ideally just a couple SRPs, but if we had to include that WAS FRP, I'd probably still pull the trigger. Even if we didn't end up needing him this season, it would be nice to have guys we could trust to step into the rotation at all 3 levels; McBride (G), Barnes (F), Sims (C).

I heard the Kings want Lavine, not sure about giving them that FRP...but its a pretty weak FRP so maybe yeah...

[HopelessKnick]

I said it in the past and I'll say it again....Go after Jerami Grant. He has developed into a really solid shooter and is a long and good defender as well. Out of realistic targets he'd be the best....he'd give us an outside shot at beating the east top 3.

Brunson
RJ
Grant
Randle
Mitch

with IQ, DD, Hart, IHart off the bench...is a pretty big and intimidating team with tons of defense and 5 possible 20 point scorers....

[3toheadmelo]

I said it in the past and I'll say it again....Go after Jerami Grant. He has developed into a really solid shooter and is a long and good defender as well. Out of realistic targets he'd be the best....he'd give us an outside shot at beating the east top 3.

Brunson
RJ
Grant
Randle
Mitch

with IQ, DD, Hart, IHart off the bench...is a pretty big and intimidating team with tons of defense and 5 possible 20 point scorers....

Jerami grant has some of the worst tunnel vision i have ever seen. he would hold back the entire team if we went after him. and his defense sucks

[cgf]

I wonder how many draft picks would we have to add for Fournier to get De’andre Hunter? His game is slower than the majority of the hawks and he’s giving up playing defense over there consistent (because they don’t do team defense) but I think he would fit here as a cost control 3rd forward.

Unless they just wanted to dump Hunter for an expiring, I'd rather go after Barnes or Finney-Smith.

[cgf]

I said it in the past and I'll say it again....Go after Jerami Grant. He has developed into a really solid shooter and is a long and good defender as well. Out of realistic targets he'd be the best....he'd give us an outside shot at beating the east top 3.

Brunson
RJ
Grant
Randle
Mitch

with IQ, DD, Hart, IHart off the bench...is a pretty big and intimidating team with tons of defense and 5 possible 20 point scorers....

Jerami grant has some of the worst tunnel vision i have ever seen. he would hold back the entire team if we went after him. and his defense sucks

That wasn't that bad of a problem for him on the nuggets, so maybe that's more about him not having anyone to defer to than him refusing to defer? I'd prefer Barnes or DFS to Grant too...cheaper salaries, similar or cheaper trade cost, and they could fill the role we'd want them for.

...but I also expect Grimes to get himself back on track, sooner or later. So I don't think we need a new starter, just someone who could push Hart/DDV at the end of the rotation and step in when injuries hit or a playoff matchup necessitates more length.

[Knicksfan1992]

FWIW Begley mentioned Gordon Hayward as a name to watch for the Knicks to sniff around on. Said Thibs respects Hayward and he was a real target of theirs when he was a FA. Salary wise it's actually kind of tough to get there because Hayward's number is so inflated compared to Fournier's. You'd have to include all of NYK's minimum salary level guys and Windler can't be traded until the end of January so it would be nothing imminent, unless they include Deuce or Sims whom i doubt they have any interest in including.

If they are going the backup 3/4 rental route I think I prefer Hayward to Bogdanovic even with the injuries. The Knicks lack playmaking. We're 28th in assist percentage. While Bojan is a better shooter and scorer than Hayward, Hayward provides a little more defensive versatility and way more passing. Hayward's career assist average is at 3.6 and the past 4 years in Charlotte he's bumped up to 4 apg. That's a fantastic number for guy at his position. Bojan is barely over 2 apg for his career. He's more of a shooter/scorer which has it's merits on its own.

Hayward as another ball mover either with the starters or bench can really help juice the offense in a way we don't currently have and defensively and on the boards he's a better contributor than Bojan is.

On the negative side...weirdly enough Gordon's shooting numbers have somewhat deteriorated over the past 2 seasons. He's been down to 32% on low volume from 3 the past 2 seasons and while his overall efficiency stayed up last year because he was great from 2, this year he's been awful from 2 as well. It's definitely a concern that his injuries may have finally zapped him offensively. It's still early in the season so his shooting could just be a blip but, the fall off could just be happening.

That being said because his cap number is so inflated, I think he would cost less than Bojan picks-wise. A couple 2nds in addition to Fournier may get it done. At 31 million there's not many teams who are both in contention and have the requisite filler salary/lower end assets to make that deal palatable for them while having Hayward in what should be a more limited role than what he has in Charlotte. Also he's a pure expiring as opposed to Bojan who you are on the hook for next year as well. It would not effect the Knicks future to bring him in one bit. It's the kind of low-risk move that makes more sense.

[Jalen Bluntson]

FWIW Begley mentioned Gordon Hayward as a name to watch for the Knicks to sniff around on. Said Thibs respects Hayward and he was a real target of theirs when he was a FA. Salary wise it's actually kind of tough to get there because Hayward's number is so inflated compared to Fournier's. You'd have to include all of NYK's minimum salary level guys and Windler can't be traded until the end of January so it would be nothing imminent, unless they include Deuce or Sims whom i doubt they have any interest in including.

If they are going the backup 3/4 rental route I think I prefer Hayward to Bogdanovic even with the injuries. The Knicks lack playmaking. We're 28th in assist percentage. While Bojan is a better shooter and scorer than Hayward, Hayward provides a little more defensive versatility and way more passing. Hayward's career assist average is at 3.6 and the past 4 years in Charlotte he's bumped up to 4 apg. That's a fantastic number for guy at his position. Bojan is barely over 2 apg for his career. He's more of a shooter/scorer which has it's merits on its own.

Hayward as another ball mover either with the starters or bench can really help juice the offense in a way we don't currently have and defensively and on the boards he's a better contributor than Bojan is.

On the negative side...weirdly enough Gordon's shooting numbers have somewhat deteriorated over the past 2 seasons. He's been down to 32% on low volume from 3 the past 2 seasons and while his overall efficiency stayed up last year because he was great from 2, this year he's been awful from 2 as well. It's definitely a concern that his injuries may have finally zapped him offensively. It's still early in the season so his shooting could just be a blip but, the fall off could just be happening.

That being said because his cap number is so inflated, I think he would cost less than Bojan picks-wise. A couple 2nds in addition to Fournier may get it done. At 31 million there's not many teams who are both in contention and have the requisite filler salary/lower end assets to make that deal palatable for them while having Hayward in what should be a more limited role than what he has in Charlotte. Also he's a pure expiring as opposed to Bojan who you are on the hook for next year as well. It would not effect the Knicks future to bring him in one bit. It's the kind of low-risk move that makes more sense.

It's worth nothing. Begley is a hack who just throws out names that may make sense. He throws out every name in the book hoping something sticks. It never does.

[Richard4444]

Finney Smith and Royce O"Neal are in the block...

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/273818/Nets-Looking-For-Two-First-Round-Picks-For-Dorian-Finney-Smith

[Dude-niagara]

Give us OG for Fournier and Grimes and we'll accomplish the same thing.

Raptors are retooling around OG and Barnes, Siakam available and they will give OG full max

Do you think OG is a max player?

I think OG is the best 3 and D player in the NBA but not a max player, but they will give it to him because he just turned 26

[nyk2017]

We need to trade RJ, Grimes and Randle. They are just not good enough to take us to the next level. I would be ok to trading these guys and our treasure chest of FRPs for guys like Zion, OG/Siakam, etc. Backcourt of Quick and Brunson is what we need to build around.

[HopelessKnick]

Finney Smith and Royce O"Neal are in the block...

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/273818/Nets-Looking-For-Two-First-Round-Picks-For-Dorian-Finney-Smith

Interesting. DFS would be a great fit! He is content shooting only open 3s and defends well. 2 FRPs is a lot for him though.....but if it is Washington's and Detroit's pick it may be worth considering.

[HopelessKnick]

If the Cavaliers don't make any progress and DM declines to sign an extension (both scenarios seem very likely at this point).....do you guys make a strong offer?

I was personally pretty unsure about a Brunson-Mitchell backcourt previously but with Brunson being THIS good you really have to wonder how it could potentially turn out if the two can figure out how to play together. I think Mitchell has still his eyes set on NY as his ultimate destination and I could see both teams working out a trade ultimately.

The question is would the offensive juggernaut of Brunson-Mitchell outweigh the defensive struggles?

[HopelessKnick]

Two notes regarding Julius Randle:

1) He is the only PF on this roster which makes a trade involving him during the season pretty unlikely. It can be even argued that an offseason trade does not look too likely considering the fact the Knicks would have to get back two PFs or at least a good starter.

2) What is more interesting in regards to Randle is this though: Barring an unforeseen decline, he is likely to opt out of his contract after next season, virtually meaning that he has one year remaining on his contract after this season....considering the fact that he is still here, I (unfortunately) believe the FO is planning on keeping him longterm.

If you take these two obvious points together---they unfortunately---seem to indicate that the FO values Randle very highly or have evaluated potential trades for replacements and came to the conclusion that a deal is not feasible.

--> which leads to the even more depressing thought: If they plan on extending Randle....well there is no way Randle is going to accept a comparable deal like 2 years ago. He will be coming off at least 2 all-star appearances and his number indicate he will ask for 40+ million at the VERY LEAST. Now at that point, the FO is probably going to fear losing him for nothing and is going to overpay him to stay as that 45 win team......I really don't like how this whole situation is shaping up in the near future....

[sol537]

Atlanta could be a good trade partner... They're in win-now mode with Trae + Murray and they've had immense respect for Randle over the years (they constantly double him lol)...

Randle for Hunter + Jalen Johnson. We get younger and better defensively, they get their "big 3" with Randle...

No picks necessary.

[RHODEY]

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[Ih8duke]

I think a Tre Murphy for Quickly trade is interesting. Quickly wants to start and have his own team like Brunson did. Unless we are willing to make him and pay him like a starting 2 and I don’t think we are. Losing Quicks would hurt no doubt. But Murphy would push RJ to the 2, Space the floor, and give us another young player with a ton of upside. We need a big athletic, wing shooter and Murphy is that. NOR needs another guard badly. They have Jones and Ingram as big wings and could spare Murphy. It balances both teams nicely. Something like Quicks and Fournier for Murphy Nance Lewis works cap wise. I don’t know if any picks would be needed. Something I would think about.