PG: Awful gameplan, not prepared, not 1 good performance

[NoDopeOnSundays]

There was a rebound where someone was grabbing and mugging OG and they didn’t call a foul

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[3toheadmelo]

while we all do it to some extent, some people here will argue their long standing opinion even after it has been proven wrong again and again. sad.

@shamm

@melo

Mf he talking about you for letting KAT off the hook

[8516knicks]

We will not win with Brunson playing this way. You don't need to bring him into a pnr. Just go at him. We have to play zone to hide him.

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we certainly have to mix up coverages to keep teams guessing on how to attack our weak defenders...just giving them the gameplan with zero adjustments every game is why Thibs needs to be the first one gone.

Again I respect all that he has done up to this point. There is absolutely no shame in him reaching the ceiling with this roster. It is what it is. But its time to move on.

or the roster itself has reached it's ceiling. no way to prove either.

True. But the easiest way to check is changing one piece (coach) versus changing multiple pieces (players) which can be changed in multiple ways. Occam's razor.

[god shammgod]

while we all do it to some extent, some people here will argue their long standing opinion even after it has been proven wrong again and again. sad.

@shamm

@melo

Mf he talking about you for letting KAT off the hook

actually no

but i've made my piece with the whole thing. i aint trying to have any big arguments about this team anymore with anyone. it's summer sham time. got my feet up and a drink with an umbrella in it. laid back. y'all can fight about this if you want to.

[god shammgod]

we certainly have to mix up coverages to keep teams guessing on how to attack our weak defenders...just giving them the gameplan with zero adjustments every game is why Thibs needs to be the first one gone.

Again I respect all that he has done up to this point. There is absolutely no shame in him reaching the ceiling with this roster. It is what it is. But its time to move on.

or the roster itself has reached it's ceiling. no way to prove either.

True. But the easiest way to check is changing one piece (coach) versus changing multiple pieces (players) which can be changed in multiple ways. Occam's razor.

i'm fine with it if they do. my intuition tells me that's not really the big problem though. i could always be wrong.

[mpharris36]

or the roster itself has reached it's ceiling. no way to prove either.

It's Mikal, if he were the guy they thought they were getting, we'd be winning this series with ease. Losing his shot and being afraid of contact is just death. We're going through what the Sixer fans went through over the years with Ben Simmons culminating in passing up on that layup against the Hawks, except it's all happened in one season for us with him.

i won't argue that. he's not close to fulfilling the cost we paid for him. he's had moments where he's been great for shorter stretches in big moments in the playoffs but his inconsistency is maddening. we got him to be a 3 & d player who could also do more. but the shot got messed up before we ever got him and the defense, while good at times, is not consistent enough. so he's not even really being a good role player.

I don't know what to make of Mikal yet. We aren't in the ECF without him. He has had huge moments especially in the 4th qtr. But too much during the 1st halfs of games he isn't being impactful enough. Its year one so they aren't giving up on him yet...and he's likely to sign a team friendly extension.

I also don't think he is the reason we are losing the the pacers...not being able to cover up brunson defensive issues is what is losing this series.



we have never been destroyed in brunsons minutes like this. Remember the last two post seasons we couldn't survive the non brunson minutes...now they are actively hurting us.

[Fury]

Karl-Anthony Towns, Jalen Brunson, OG Anunoby, Miles McBride, Mikal Bridges

Net: 18.71
OTR: 155.56
DTR: 136.84

Only 8 minutes

[MrDollarBills]

couldnt have said it better Dollar...thats why I've said from the beginning this series is on Thibs to win or lose.

The team's preparation has been garbage, but guys on the floor need to be held accountable.

The lack of communication on defense is piss poor stuff from a group of guys who should know better. The brain dead turnovers is on them too.

How is it that KAT and JB score only 4 points in the 4th? Two All NBA players should never be shut down like this.

This is where I agree with JVG: It's not just one thing. Tom is getting his ass whipped and so are the players.

oh, dont get it twisted...I hold guys accountable. After Harts 5th turnover - I washed my hands from the game and annouce I dont care if they lose
because if they do they deserve it. You cant play like that in the ECF vs ANY TEAM and expect to win- especially on the road.
Regardless, Thibs has failed at his job. Not only in this series but all year because he had these guys before the playoffs and didnt play them enough.
How can Delon and shamet build chemistry in the ECF?! its a joke!

It is a joke. Guys should have been playing all season so there would be some chemistry and cohesion going into the playoffs.

But Bridges? Hart? Awful.

Karl and Jalen, 4 points in the 4th.

Whoo boy.

[robillionaire]

or the roster itself has reached it's ceiling. no way to prove either.

True. But the easiest way to check is changing one piece (coach) versus changing multiple pieces (players) which can be changed in multiple ways. Occam's razor.

i'm fine with it if they do. my intuition tells me that's not really the big problem though. i could always be wrong.

we will definitely find out when he’s gone. And if we don’t make the finals next year fans will say ________________?

We know the players like him, how are they gonna do? Will Brunson’s dad be the coach?

If I were Thibs I’d just quit the job at this point and ready up a bunch of “miss me yet?” style memes to use on social media year after year every time we don’t go to the ECF. But maybe he should just get a GF instead

[mpharris36]

There was a rebound where someone was grabbing and mugging OG and they didn’t call a foul

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Siakam gets away with bloody murder...I think the officials and Silver go so far in proving the NBA isn't rigged to actively go against the knicks.

Like does he really think the league can survive an OKC/Indy finals? The ratings for that series are going to be BRUTAL!

[3toheadmelo]

@shamm

@melo

Mf he talking about you for letting KAT off the hook

actually no

but i've made my piece with the whole thing. i aint trying to have any big arguments about this team anymore with anyone. it's summer sham time. got my feet up and a drink with an umbrella in it. laid back. y'all can fight about this if you want to.

I ain’t fighting bout this sht anymore either before I get suspended again

[god shammgod]

It's Mikal, if he were the guy they thought they were getting, we'd be winning this series with ease. Losing his shot and being afraid of contact is just death. We're going through what the Sixer fans went through over the years with Ben Simmons culminating in passing up on that layup against the Hawks, except it's all happened in one season for us with him.

i won't argue that. he's not close to fulfilling the cost we paid for him. he's had moments where he's been great for shorter stretches in big moments in the playoffs but his inconsistency is maddening. we got him to be a 3 & d player who could also do more. but the shot got messed up before we ever got him and the defense, while good at times, is not consistent enough. so he's not even really being a good role player.

I don't know what to make of Mikal yet. We aren't in the ECF without him. He has had huge moments especially in the 4th qtr. But too much during the 1st halfs of games he isn't being impactful enough. Its year one so they aren't giving up on him yet...and he's likely to sign a team friendly extension.

I also don't think he is the reason we are losing the the pacers...not being able to cover up brunson defensive issues is what is losing this series.



we have never been destroyed in brunsons minutes like this. Remember the last two post seasons we couldn't survive the non brunson minutes...now they are actively hurting us.

the problem is when he doesn't have the ball in his hands he's supposed to spread the court. but he doesn't really feel confident in that and maybe he shouldn't.

[MrDollarBills]

There was a rebound where someone was grabbing and mugging OG and they didn’t call a foul

Late game

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Siakam gets away with bloody murder...I think the officials and Silver go so far in proving the NBA isn't rigged to actively go against the knicks.

Like does he really think the league can survive an OKC/Indy finals? The ratings for that series are going to be BRUTAL!

I'll be watching the Liberty or Yankees. I'm not watching that. OKC just isn't very entertaining despite their dominance

[NoDopeOnSundays]

or the roster itself has reached it's ceiling. no way to prove either.

It's Mikal, if he were the guy they thought they were getting, we'd be winning this series with ease. Losing his shot and being afraid of contact is just death. We're going through what the Sixer fans went through over the years with Ben Simmons culminating in passing up on that layup against the Hawks, except it's all happened in one season for us with him.

i won't argue that. he's not close to fulfilling the cost we paid for him. he's had moments where he's been great for shorter stretches in big moments in the playoffs but his inconsistency is maddening. we got him to be a 3 & d player who could also do more. but the shot got messed up before we ever got him and the defense, while good at times, is not consistent enough. so he's not even really being a good role player.

I will never understand why he changed his shot, it just made no sense and why nobody stepped in to tell him not to do it is crazy. I don't even know what they can do with him, you either trade him or hold out hope he fixes the shot, there's nothing in between that. After these playoffs, who is going to trade for him too?

[Capn'O]

or the roster itself has reached it's ceiling. no way to prove either.

True. But the easiest way to check is changing one piece (coach) versus changing multiple pieces (players) which can be changed in multiple ways. Occam's razor.

i'm fine with it if they do. my intuition tells me that's not really the big problem though. i could always be wrong.

I won't celebrate if/when they fire him. Only if/when they have somebody better for this group. But I do think that a really good coach with a different approach could fit this group better. Ironically, I think if we switched coaches the Knicks would win this series.

What I agree on is a lot of folks don't realize we're gonna need to get somebody really good to be an upgrade, even with a better fit. There aren't a lot of Carlisles out there. Way more alleged geniuses who fail when they actually get the reins of an NBA team.

[mpharris36]

i won't argue that. he's not close to fulfilling the cost we paid for him. he's had moments where he's been great for shorter stretches in big moments in the playoffs but his inconsistency is maddening. we got him to be a 3 & d player who could also do more. but the shot got messed up before we ever got him and the defense, while good at times, is not consistent enough. so he's not even really being a good role player.

I don't know what to make of Mikal yet. We aren't in the ECF without him. He has had huge moments especially in the 4th qtr. But too much during the 1st halfs of games he isn't being impactful enough. Its year one so they aren't giving up on him yet...and he's likely to sign a team friendly extension.

I also don't think he is the reason we are losing the the pacers...not being able to cover up brunson defensive issues is what is losing this series.



we have never been destroyed in brunsons minutes like this. Remember the last two post seasons we couldn't survive the non brunson minutes...now they are actively hurting us.

the problem is when he doesn't have the ball in his hands he's supposed to spread the court. but he doesn't really feel confident in that and maybe he shouldn't.

oh I'm not denying his struggles especially from range. I also don't think he was ever going to fill the DD high volume 3 pt role either. He shot 50% from the field this year he was our 2nd best starter in terms of +/- throughout the year. He has played really good defense all playoffs and has had some monster 4th qtrs in sports...but the confidence and consistency swing way too much. The fact he actively tries to avoid contact is an issue.

In 4 games this series we are just getting owned in the Brunson minutes though...we have never been in that position before.

[kNicksGmen]

he missed like 85 percent of the playoffs last year

Horford also looked a bit washed - and Brown was banged up etc. Shooting variance worked in the knicks favor.

It's fine to accept it was largely a fluke.

So their players are either known for being perpetually injured or are washed and they play an inconsistent style of basketball that can’t always be relied on. Not sure how that makes it a fluke per se. Yes there are dream scenarios where things could have gone better for them. Could say the same about us in this series. Or any team.

Depends on how you define fluke I suppose. To me it's in the percentages. Knicks lose to the Celtics somewhere between 70-80% of the time even with KP being a zombie and the aforementioned things. Way higher percentage if they're healthy but at this point it doesn't matter.

[dakomish23]

KAT 3 FGA in the make or break quarter for us

No excuses

tbh I think he was tired af in the last quarter. he carried us (once again) in the second, but those drives to the basket are so damn exhausting and tough.
overall he was probably still our best player despite cooling off big time in the second half.

It's still pretty bad that we don't post, and repost him when Obi/Siakam are on the floor, that frontcourt has no chance of guarding him but they get away with it because he never gets the ball back after he passes out.

That's what I don't get. Fine, Carlisle adjust. Then you counter. You don't run away from it, you find a way to maximize your advantage.

[HEZI]

The big lineup played 5-10 minutes together, Hart played starter minutes. I also think it's funny that we can just blame Hart then, since he's the one that suggested it


20 points off turnovers, we lost the game by 9 points, and Hart had 5 turnovers with 1 lonely assist. It's not hard to see why we lost the game, I mean this was normal -

Your two big lineup got us playing Precious Achiuwa out of desperation

We had 17 turnovers as a team. How many points did we get back from his offensive rebounds? Plenty

Josh was -1 for the game and your boy was -20

Josh helped keep us in the game otherwise it would have been a complete blowout from the jump if we kept rolling with your lineup

9 point loss, I have just shown you 3 turnovers that resulted in 6 points. Keep defending

The guys you want starting

Robinson
6 points
4 fouls
-20

Deuce
3 points
0 assists
1 turnover
-14

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Mf he talking about you for letting KAT off the hook

actually no

but i've made my piece with the whole thing. i aint trying to have any big arguments about this team anymore with anyone. it's summer sham time. got my feet up and a drink with an umbrella in it. laid back. y'all can fight about this if you want to.

I ain’t fighting bout this sht anymore either before I get suspended again

The war is finally over, you were a worthy competitor, you may keep your Oreo reserves.