[Camelo Thread] - Update: He's Pushing for NYK! Part 5

[NYman15]

Everything but for people complaining amare has too many minutes, with melo he can get a rest and we can still take many lineups with amare out

[ThePrez86]

rebounding, ft attempts, pressure on the defense (LeBron would have to guard him, meaning have less energy on offense) Leadership, winning.

OK, I'll give you a little bit on the rebounding but not much. Free throw attempts? Really? The Knicks already take a ton (6th in the league at attempts per game). By "pressure on defense," I assume you mean scoring. I'm pretty sure that's not a problem for the Knicks considering they already lead the league.

Leadership? Really? The Knicks already have great leadership with great character guys like Stoudemire and Felton. And I'm sorry to say that "leadership" isn't exactly the first word that comes to mind when I think of Carmelo Anthony. If you think of him as the leader type, I think you may want to reevaluate your method for judging character.

Winning? I'm pretty sure the Knicks are currently doing that (and they seem to be building towards even more wins over the next few seasons). And how many times has Carmelo Anthony made it out of the first round in his 7 years in the league? Once.

[ThePrez86]

would you rather have Melo getting Chandler's shots and touches or have Chandler keep them?

Let me know when you want to answer the question.

i'm appalled that anyone would even suggest that Chandler's shots and touches would have a lower value if Melo had them.

and people keep talking about chandler's defense..

he isn't even rated top50 in the league in defensive +/- for on/off court. and, guess who is top 5?

http://basketballvalue.com/topplayers.p ... torder=ASC

hint: that guy who plays in denver.

I'm not suggesting anything. I'm just asking you to answer the question I posed at the top of this thread.

[aggo]

nd how many times has Carmelo Anthony made it out of the first round in his 7 years in the league? Once.

who the **** did melo play along side with?

none of those teams made any sense. they were all poorly constructed.

Melo finally gets to play with a DOMINANT inside force who shoots 55% for his career and averages 24/9.

He's not getting put next to volume shooters or teams with no offense in the front court.

[seren]

Winning? I'm pretty sure the Knicks are currently doing that (and they seem to be building towards even more wins over the next few seasons). And how many times has Carmelo Anthony made it out of the first round in his 7 years in the league? Once.

Hmmm. So we are having enough wins? Great. No reason to add any more player.

[aggo]

Scoring?
Defense?
Shot-blocking?
Rebounding?

scoring
defense
rebounding


book closed.

[Try Again Later]

I'm against trading for Melo now, but one HUGE upside is he brings serious relief to Amare, both long term and short term.

Long term, Carmelo allows Amare to rest his knees night in and night out. We need to preserve Amare!

Short term, Carmelo's presence allows Amare to be far more aggressive on the D side. We are no longer 5 fouls away from irrelevancy. Amare can pressure all he wants to now, he doesn't have to sacrifice layups to avoid foul trouble.

[seren]

Now in this deal they got another mid/low level prospect. But only one pick. The 2nd pick was the right to have their pick back from a previous deal. I suppose you could argue the prospect level of these players but its kind of mute. Gomes was playing better. Green was high risk high reward from the moment he was drafted. Telfair still had some value. But none the less you can see the construction of the

I am confused. So if the deal did not happen Wolves would still have that pick? I suppose not. My understanding is that that pick turned out to be a lottery pick.

[ThePrez86]

Winning.

+1.
And I agree with Aggo... I mean i'm not saying this Topic is one of them, but i'm seeing alot of topics which is in many words saying dont go after Melo...Knicks Real gm fans kill me, when we're losing alot of people go completly overboard.And now that wer're winning I still feel people are overreacting. If your satisfied with us making the playoffs and being exited 1st round or so.Keep the team we got. If you want us to make noise in the playoffs and have a legitmate shot.Go after Melo, it's that simple....Not saying Melo guarantees anything, but our chances greatly increase. He's a Superstar, who can fit in.Offensively unstoppable, Good Rebounder, and I would believe he will step it up on the D.End in NY.(i'm being optimisitc with the Defense)...

But I'm just sayin so many of you complained so aggresively and now we're on a winning streak and it's like many of you have become content....No, the goal hasnt changed. A championship aint easy but If we can be a serious threat, Go for it. A trio Of Melo,Amare and Felton,,,,and Keep Fields. Thats something serious. Most likely we would still have Will or Gallo. That's a dangerous Squad. If you think people are starting to pay attention to us now. Let us Get Melo....smh. They really gonna have a reason to hate us.

I'm not overreacting to the winning. I'm well aware that the Knicks haven't exactly faced top notch competition and you will probably see a regression to the mean by the end of January given all the big teams the Knicks have to face. My position on Carmelo is the name today as it was last summer. I'm just asking what exact deficiency Carmelo addresses.

And please don't even think of putting Michael Jordan in the same paragraph as Carmelo Anthony. In addition to being one of the best defenders in the league (a side of the game Melo isn't exactly known for to put it gently), Jordan was an absolute killer. Dude stepped up when it counted and won games. he won series. He won championships. Again, how many times has Carmelo Anthony made it out of the first round? Once.

[biggyfuzz]

we cant have Amar'e playing 40 plus minutes, it'll wear him down.

Having Melo will alleviate Amar'e scoring load and it'll give Amar'e more rest.

[ThePrez86]

Scoring?
Defense?
Shot-blocking?
Rebounding?

That...and he's a better defender than given credit for. I'm sure you didn't mean to put scoring up there, we already roll with scoring but Melo only makes us even better there too.

I did mean to put scoring up there... just to see if anybody would be stupid enough to say it.

[towelie]

Melo can say what ever he wants but you have to think about the business aspect for denver. AR/Walker/Curry. Why even bother? Just wait until the summer. They can still get AR from us because we are around 2 million short on a max deal anyway. They wold be better off keeping (and spiting) Melo and waiting in that case. They would be a better team this season. And get nearly the same package in the summer. And the satisfaction of not giving in to melo.

Yes we have leverage. Well really Melo has leverage. But this leverage is to keep us from getting ripped off by denver. They cant say well so and so's package is better. The leverage does not mean we are going to rip them off either. It just keeps a level negotiating field between 2 ball clubs. (or maybe other teams involved in the deal)

Agree that the deal will most likely include one of Gallo/Chandler, one of AR/TD/Mozgov, and Walker or Williams as throw-ins.

But as for Harrington, I feel if we're taking on his 5-year MLE deal, we should be able to pull out one of our assets from the deal, someone like AR.

I would definitely take back Harrington though. Chandler > Harrington, but by getting Harrington (and his deal is cheap), we can then afford to trade Chandler/AR or Chandler/TD for Mayo/Thabeet and balance out the rest of our roster. Or if not, Mayo, we can still look to S&T Chandler for a center.

[aveboogie7]

would you rather have Melo getting Chandler's shots and touches or have Chandler keep them?

Let me know when you want to answer the question.

i'm appalled that anyone would even suggest that Chandler's shots and touches would have a lower value if Melo had them.

and people keep talking about chandler's defense..

he isn't even rated top50 in the league in defensive +/- for on/off court. and, guess who is top 5?

http://basketballvalue.com/topplayers.p ... torder=ASC

hint: that guy who plays in denver.

True.....How in the world can we rave about Chandler's D when he's ranked behind notorious defensive stalwarts like Dirk (#2), Vince Carter (#3), Rudy Fernandez, Mike Dunleavy, Mike Bibby, Luke Ridnour and Chris Duhon??????

/sarcasm
WATCH THE GAMES AND STOP RELYING ON THESE GOOFY A** STATS.

[seren]

I'm not overreacting to the winning. I'm well aware that the Knicks haven't exactly faced top notch competition and you will probably see a regression to the mean by the end of January given all the big teams the Knicks have to face. My position on Carmelo is the name today as it was last summer. I'm just asking what exact deficiency Carmelo addresses.

And please don't even think of putting Michael Jordan in the same paragraph as Carmelo Anthony. In addition to being one of the best defenders in the league (a side of the game Melo isn't exactly known for to put it gently), Jordan was an absolute killer. Dude stepped up when it counted and won games. he won series. He won championships. Again, how many times has Carmelo Anthony made it out of the first round? Once.

I thought you got your answer. People said it already. Winning.

[bklynstoops]

nd how many times has Carmelo Anthony made it out of the first round in his 7 years in the league? Once.

who the **** did melo play along side with?

none of those teams made any sense. they were all poorly constructed.

You mean you have to worry about how a team is constructed? Because I keep hearing that all you need is 2 superstars like Melo and Iverson.

[seren]

I have a feeling Chandler would not be in the deal. At least not going to Denver, but maybe somewhere else. He is an RFA. Too risky for Denver. He may be in a deal next summer if parties agree on S&T.

[aggo]

True.....How in the world can we rave about Chandler's D when he's ranked behind notorious defensive stalwarts like Dirk (#2), Vince Carter (#3), Rudy Fernandez, Mike Dunleavy, Mike Bibby, Luke Ridnour and Chris Duhon??????

/sarcasm
WATCH THE GAMES AND STOP RELYING ON THESE GOOFY A** STATS.

watch the games?

you mean luis scola running train on chandler?
you mean beasley destroying chandler in the 4th @ minn?
you mean bargs putting up 41 on chandler?


his defense is overrated. get over it.

[Siem]

Winning.

+1.
And I agree with Aggo... I mean i'm not saying this Topic is one of them, but i'm seeing alot of topics which is in many words saying dont go after Melo...Knicks Real gm fans kill me, when we're losing alot of people go completly overboard.And now that wer're winning I still feel people are overreacting. If your satisfied with us making the playoffs and being exited 1st round or so.Keep the team we got. If you want us to make noise in the playoffs and have a legitmate shot.Go after Melo, it's that simple....Not saying Melo guarantees anything, but our chances greatly increase. He's a Superstar, who can fit in.Offensively unstoppable, Good Rebounder, and I would believe he will step it up on the D.End in NY.(i'm being optimisitc with the Defense)...

But I'm just sayin so many of you complained so aggresively and now we're on a winning streak and it's like many of you have become content....No, the goal hasnt changed. A championship aint easy but If we can be a serious threat, Go for it. A trio Of Melo,Amare and Felton,,,,and Keep Fields. Thats something serious. Most likely we would still have Will or Gallo. That's a dangerous Squad. If you think people are starting to pay attention to us now. Let us Get Melo....smh. They really gonna have a reason to hate us.

I'm not overreacting to the winning. I'm well aware that the Knicks haven't exactly faced top notch competition and you will probably see a regression to the mean by the end of January given all the big teams the Knicks have to face. My position on Carmelo is the name today as it was last summer. I'm just asking what exact deficiency Carmelo addresses.

And please don't even think of putting Michael Jordan in the same paragraph as Carmelo Anthony. In addition to being one of the best defenders in the league (a side of the game Melo isn't exactly known for to put it gently), Jordan was an absolute killer. Dude stepped up when it counted and won games. he won series. He won championships. Again, how many times has Carmelo Anthony made it out of the first round? Once.

I didnt put Melo and MJ in the same paragraph.lol. I will say Melo would bring another unstoppable player on the team. That would give us 2.some teams dont have 1. He's not the type who needs the ball to be effective thats another thing, he can score off of moving, just like Amare,thats what makes them so dangerous, they can score 1 on 1 or in the flow of the offense by moving around.

[aggo]

nd how many times has Carmelo Anthony made it out of the first round in his 7 years in the league? Once.

who the **** did melo play along side with?

none of those teams made any sense. they were all poorly constructed.

You mean you have to worry about how a team is constructed? Because I keep hearing that all you need is 2 superstars like Melo and Iverson.

wtf?

did you even read my post?

THE WHOLE POINT IS THAT MELO IS GOING TO PLAY NEXT to an efficient players like FELTON, AMARE.


NOT volume guys like iverson and billups.

[Siem]

nd how many times has Carmelo Anthony made it out of the first round in his 7 years in the league? Once.

who the **** did melo play along side with?

none of those teams made any sense. they were all poorly constructed.

You mean you have to worry about how a team is constructed? Because I keep hearing that all you need is 2 superstars like Melo and Iverson.

Well actually Melo and Iverson worked well together,they just lost to better Teams. The Spurs won the championship the year they beat Den in the playoffs and LAL went to the Finals that year. Now the Series agaisnt the Lakers was just a joke, George Karl's matchups had much to do with that as anything...But the notion Melo and Ai didnt work together is false, they just lost to better teams...I still feel Melo and Amare would be a better fit, because it's a dominant perimter player and a Dominant Big Man.