[Camelo Thread Part 9] - OJ to DEN, Melo to NY? Pg 7

[kane2021]

This could explain why these guys are steering players away from the knicks. Forget Walsh. No one on this earth is going to tell Dolan what to do. Those dudes try to call shots in NYC through the knicks and the closest they will get to the team is a sports bar 4 blocks away.

i agree with you, but i can't help but chuckle when, even after all anucha and isiah and LB and people calling for his head as a bad owner, at the end of the day he's still the man willing to spend, and still the man in charge and ironically our last line of defense against purported manipulations by Wes "lebron cast me out of his inner circle" Wesley

He has bad qualities and good qualities. Worst part about Dolan is he is a guy born into money and power. But rather than sit back and get fat he sticks his nose in everything and really does not know what he is doing. His good qualities are his loyalty and willingness to spend what ever needed. And you are 100% right. At the end of the day, Dolan will keep these suckers out.

And honestly, I day dream of a knick team that is against everything those dudes represent and good enough to beat their hand picked teams. Dolan is the man to finance and enjoy that.

[kingmalaki]

If Denver lets Melo walks and gets no value for him, they are going to lose a ton of fans for their terrible front office.

Either they still think they can get more value for him or they are still delusional thinking they can resign Melo.

Personally, I'd feel a lot better about NY eventually landing Anthony if it weren't for Houston. If it weren't for Houston Denver would have to move toward Walsh if Anthony rejected a Neyt's contract extension.. Houston gives them a fallback option if CA kills the NJ trade. Adding to that Morey looks to be in cockblock mode and they have the resources and motivation to do a rental and Denver just might ship him there to spite NY. Now NY could still get him but it'd be more problematic than a straight NY/Denver deal.

As long as the Rockets are willing to rent Melo then Denver isn't "forced" to lose Melo for nothing. All signs point to Morey being willing to trade for Melo without an extension. I think he and the Nuggets don't expect Melo to walk away from that $65M extension. Melo doesn't have the leverage of past free agents because they weren't potentially leaving as much $$ on the table.

This will be an interesting game of chicken.

[next2spike]

Who's Camelo? Forgot the r.

[GONYK]

Who's Camelo? Forgot the r.

No we didn't

[jstudabaka]

At least the latest Woj piece on the Carmelo trade points out that the deals Denver wants to do with the Nets will probably kill any possibility of him playing with Paul, due to cap inflexibility. That's a point a lot of nimrod commentators miss.

[Danny1024]

Can Leon Rose and William Wesley both just die in a fire or something

we can only hope

[Punk]

wow that quote + the brook lopez curse out vid on the bench is really interesting...

When your "prized, untouchable" 7 foot center averages less than 6 rebounds per game, you can understand where he is coming from. Still, this is the next Tim Duncan right? Yes...I'm kidding. Still, NJ's assets are undoubtedly better than ours, you have an "all star" point guard in Devin Harris who lead last years Nets team to 12 wins, the aforementioned Lopez, and their "franchise level" rookie who will finish well below our 2nd round pick in ROY voting.

Let's not forget the genius idea of trading two nice wing prospects like Courtney Lee and Terrence Williams only to brag about a tandom of Melo, Billups and Hamilton which gets you nowhere besides above 30 wins.

[KnicksManiac]

Wall Street Journal Article

Nets, Knicks May Be Better Off Without 'Melo

Considering the unending series of rumors these days, it almost feels inevitable that Denver superstar Carmelo Anthony will eventually be traded to either the Knicks or the Nets.

Statistically speaking, neither team's fan base should get too excited.

Mr. Anthony is on pace to finish this season worth the equivalent of 6.8 wins, using the metric "Wins Produced" that predicts how statistics correlate to winning. Developed by Southern Utah University economics professor David Berri, Wins Produced devalues scoring totals in favor of other stats, particularly shooting efficiency.

Essentially, Mr. Anthony scores like an elite player, but he requires more shots to put up his numbers than a true superstar. This season, Mr. Anthony holds an effective field goal percentage—a weighted statistic that takes 3-pointers into account—of 45.1%. By comparison, LeBron James's effective field goal percentage is 52%. A franchise player, Mr. Berri says, will produce between 25-30 wins a season. Chris Paul is on pace to have 25.8 Wins Produced this season. Last year, Mr. James had 27.2, and Dwight Howard had 22.3.

Mr. Berri concluded that New Jersey would win about 30 games over a full season if the latest reported 13-player, three-team deal goes through, which involves sending Derrick Favors and Devin Harris to Denver. The Nets would also acquire Chauncey Billups and Richard Hamilton.

Trading for Mr. Anthony could be even more devastating for the Knicks. Their proposed deal would force them to move two of their most productive players: Landry Fields (on pace for 17.6 Wins Produced) and Wilson Chandler (10.3). If the Knicks replaced Messrs. Fields and Chandler with Mr. Anthony, Mr. Berri predicts they would win roughly 29 games over a full year.

—Jared Diamond

I'm friends with the person who wrote this. I'm curious to know what people think. I know how I feel about the article but I'm not going to say.

[The Linc]

i agree with the article.

we don't need to trade for melo. we're fine where we are. try to sign him in the summer if he wants but right now? no, unless we're not giving much. we need a center, not a scoring sf.

[Knick_Fury]

Chris Broussard:

Knicks have reached out to Memphis about sending OJ Mayo to DEN in 3-team deal that would send Carmelo Anthony to New York, sources say.

[god shammgod]

Wall Street Journal Article

Nets, Knicks May Be Better Off Without 'Melo

Considering the unending series of rumors these days, it almost feels inevitable that Denver superstar Carmelo Anthony will eventually be traded to either the Knicks or the Nets.

Statistically speaking, neither team's fan base should get too excited.

Mr. Anthony is on pace to finish this season worth the equivalent of 6.8 wins, using the metric "Wins Produced" that predicts how statistics correlate to winning. Developed by Southern Utah University economics professor David Berri, Wins Produced devalues scoring totals in favor of other stats, particularly shooting efficiency.

Essentially, Mr. Anthony scores like an elite player, but he requires more shots to put up his numbers than a true superstar. This season, Mr. Anthony holds an effective field goal percentage—a weighted statistic that takes 3-pointers into account—of 45.1%. By comparison, LeBron James's effective field goal percentage is 52%. A franchise player, Mr. Berri says, will produce between 25-30 wins a season. Chris Paul is on pace to have 25.8 Wins Produced this season. Last year, Mr. James had 27.2, and Dwight Howard had 22.3.

Mr. Berri concluded that New Jersey would win about 30 games over a full season if the latest reported 13-player, three-team deal goes through, which involves sending Derrick Favors and Devin Harris to Denver. The Nets would also acquire Chauncey Billups and Richard Hamilton.

Trading for Mr. Anthony could be even more devastating for the Knicks. Their proposed deal would force them to move two of their most productive players: Landry Fields (on pace for 17.6 Wins Produced) and Wilson Chandler (10.3). If the Knicks replaced Messrs. Fields and Chandler with Mr. Anthony, Mr. Berri predicts they would win roughly 29 games over a full year.

—Jared Diamond

I'm friends with the person who wrote this. I'm curious to know what people think. I know how I feel about the article but I'm not going to say.

someone posted this yesterday and i'll repeat my thoughts. it's idiotic. by the logic in this article, trading landry fields for melo straight up would give denver 10 more wins then keeping melo would.

[NYMNYKFN10]

Chris Broussard:

Knicks have reached out to Memphis about sending OJ Mayo to DEN in 3-team deal that would send Carmelo Anthony to New York, sources say.

I like Mayo for us if we can't get Melo

[god shammgod]

Chris Broussard:

Knicks have reached out to Memphis about sending OJ Mayo to DEN in 3-team deal that would send Carmelo Anthony to New York, sources say.

hmm. i wonder what memphis would want.

[bigguy44]

Chris Broussard:

Knicks have reached out to Memphis about sending OJ Mayo to DEN in 3-team deal that would send Carmelo Anthony to New York, sources say.

Is there a link?

[Marty McFly]

Chris Broussard:

Knicks have reached out to Memphis about sending OJ Mayo to DEN in 3-team deal that would send Carmelo Anthony to New York, sources say.

hmm. i wonder what memphis would want.

well, they reportedly liked wilson; i think ant would be a fit if they resign gasol and don't sign zach.

[Knicker23]

Chris Broussard:

Knicks have reached out to Memphis about sending OJ Mayo to DEN in 3-team deal that would send Carmelo Anthony to New York, sources say.

Interesting.. Donnie could easily find a team out there that would be willing to trade with us that has players Denver may like.. OJ Mayo would be interesting, I wonder who they'd want from us

[Jay10]

Chris Broussard:

Knicks have reached out to Memphis about sending OJ Mayo to DEN in 3-team deal that would send Carmelo Anthony to New York, sources say.

hmm. i wonder what memphis would want.

wasn't there a rumor a couple weeks ago saying they like toney?

[god shammgod]

wasn't there a rumor a couple weeks ago saying they like toney?

i don't think that would be enough. i don't see us giving chandler up for him either.

[Knick_Fury]

Chris Broussard:

Knicks have reached out to Memphis about sending OJ Mayo to DEN in 3-team deal that would send Carmelo Anthony to New York, sources say.

Is there a link?

I got that from his twitter.

[delvec19]

Please let this be true!