the history of realgm knicks

[matchman]

And how about Jazz(FU), and the big debate among Houston VS Spreewell, Gallo VS Wilson Chandler, Man crush on Lampe and the globalization movement for us Knicks fans (like nykinoz, vinnie, and myself just to name a few).

Wow memories.

[Capn'O]

The villainization of TKF business has bothered me quite a bit. Over the years I have engaged in many debates and discussions with him and have gotten to understand how he operates pretty well. My views on this team departed from his some time ago. I didn't like what happened in the Melo trade but what's done is done and the team has made some good moves since then to surround him with complimentary players. So I disagree with the current stance of belittling Melo but I can't really hate the man.

I think what a lot of more recent posters don't get is TKF's views on Melo are just TKF being TKF. It just happens to be with one of ours. The guy had some of the best calls on players but had a very rigid cutoff point for what makes a real franchise "superstar". I remember huge debate threads where he questioned whether (prime) Dirk and Garnett should be considered superstars. TKF said no. What?! I mean, prime Garnett had years where he averaged 25, 12, 5, 2, and 2 and led some awful Wolves teams to 50 wins in a stacked West. However, by this criteria, proven winners such as Shaq, Duncan, Wade, and Kobe were the only superstars and LeBron, Garnett, Kidd, and Chris Paul... maybe Nash... were on the cusp. When Garnett and Allen first went to the Celtics, there was a major debate about whether that group would be able to accomplish anything... of course, they did.

That core group of players (at that time) was the list of guys worth trading the franchise for - and probably not those entering their decline (Shaq, Garnett, Duncan, Kidd, and Nash) so really 3 or 4.



During the Isiah years, there was a group of posters whose purpose on this board was to despise the Marbury trade and the man who brought it to fruition - not only because it brought in a substandard "superstar" player but because his and Anfernee Hardaway's contract and then the subsequent contracts brought in extended the period that the team would not be able to enter free agency in full and undergo a stripped down rebuild. Posters like Jazz(FU) and PowerForward99, later Blueseats and Kosmovitelli formed the intellectual backbone of that group while Majorleads was the military (and hilarious) arm. That group met a similarly strong backlash from the standing rule on the board to those that opposed the Melo trade and all of that core were either banned or have moved on.

Through this time, TKF walked the line and was the voice of reason between the dissenters and those that said that as a fan you have to take what you are given. When pushed, he was always wistful about the opportunity to undergo a true rebuild but supported the team as constructed in full. But he was always the guy rooting hardest for the jersey. Regardless of how bad the team was doing, commentary in the keys always had that balance of frustration, passion, and hope that kept the board engaging during a decade long stretch of horrible basketball. There was a window where we just had to endure the tough struggle but at the end of that, a new strategy was possible.

Of course, the Keys were always infamously critical of other teams' less worthy stars and would bring opposing fans into the forum like wildfire. That kind of posting during this period kept debate on this board fresh and relevant with the rest of the league even when the team wasn't. He was also one of the guys that could bring this passion - this consistency of character - into real life. Into the OT threads where we often disagreed but I rarely walked away feeling like I hadn't learned something from the rigid way that he thought about conduct.



As we all know, the Melo trade pushed him over the edge in moving the farm for one of the guys that fell below his "superstar" criteria and then letting one of his type of guys walk (Lin) pushed him further. I think he ended up "hating the player" when he should be "hating the game" being played, starting at the head (Dolan). But this isn't new. It's TKF being TKF. But this time, it's one of ours.



Melo isn't LeBron but he also isn't Marbury. He's coachable and less troubled - with Woodson, you can see he makes adjustments after reverting and his teammates seem to genuinely like him. He's also a better player than Marbury ever was and, with this management, he has much better support. Players that have experience leading and winning. I truly hope this team can go into the postseason at full strength so we can see its true ceiling. RESULTS are the only thing that will really hash out whether many old timer fans' paranoia about how the team operates can finally be lifted or whether the young homers have it right this time.

[cgmw]

found it - here is the origin of

cause iam getttin brains while iam writing this...ketchup like tomato sauce homie

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=850219&start=15

Your responses made me in tears.

Holy sh*t that was good.

[Capn'O]

On another note, OrangeBlobMan hasn't posted since he said he was going to jail.

[Rasho Brezec]

He did. He also got waived.

[cgmw]

Whatever happened to that guy that said he woke up from a coma that he's been in for last 10 years. I remember him asking of Detox was out yet lol. That wasn't true right? ...jumps to AmazingJason's $100 giveaway post....

he's been on this week

So you guys really think, I'd lie about being in a coma?

OMG I'm doubled over laughing.

[Capn'O]

Here's one I don't understand: How did Raptor fans become obsessed with Knicks boards?

they're obsessed with everyone's board. It provides for comic humor every now and then (find the infamous Greg Oden thread the Raptors put up).

But the two things I do remember was the constant berating of Al Harrington (Free Candy [thanks TKF], No Sharrington) and the various nicknames for Marbury (methbury, mebury, warbury, etc.)

Majorleads had my favorite nicks of all time. There was something about "Stiffbury" and "Eddy Chubby" that cracked me up. The beauty was their simplicity.

[cgmw]

"My GF is too fat" thread.

[Capn'O]

He did. He also got waived.

For real? Eh. Must have missed it. That guy was weird, man.

[Rasho Brezec]

I always thought Optimus was a normal guy with extremely horrible basketball knowledge until he once claimed he was 6'9 and laughed at people shorter than 5'9 because they were shorter than his grandma.

[aggo]

Capno- good work on the tkf post.


Like many of us who were around at the height of his keys, he was one of the driving forces to get me to register and post here.


Anyone interested in the history of Wilson vs gallo debate? I would be willing to write up something.


Awesome nostalgia, guys, keep it up!

[Grinditout]

Everyone hating on Larry Brown for not playing rookies.
Collective man crush on David Lee in his rookie year eventually turning into collective hate for his lack of defense a few years later.
Gallo and subsequent knick-names/phrases referencing cock.

[j4remi]

Capno- good work on the tkf post.


Like many of us who were around at the height of his keys, he was one of the driving forces to get me to register and post here.


Anyone interested in the history of Wilson vs gallo debate? I would be willing to write up something.


Awesome nostalgia, guys, keep it up!

I'd love for someone to go with the Ricky Rubio debates...I feel like they went hand in hand with the Gallo/Wilson debates...both about Euro prospects and at the same damned time...Plus I think Rubio has proven me right on that end

[blueNorange]

Should've changed his name to Mista Muuhardi. Maybe I should too.

whoa, i went through a phase ... think of it like someone picking up a heroin addiction then getting cleaned.

[Hijinks]

found it - here is the origin of

cause iam getttin brains while iam writing this...ketchup like tomato sauce homie

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=850219&start=15

Your responses made me in tears.

Oh my, shamgod's responses are pure gold!

First time i lurked this board was the summer of 2010. I remember all the Lebron threads and especially how everyone would get worked up over simple things indicating that bron would choose the knicks. For example someone posted a pic from a footlocker where they now were selling blue and orange "witness" shirts, which they hadn't done before. That was a crazy time!

Edit: Just remembered the whole "wake up donnie" meme, whenever a poster wanted us to sign a certain player! Especially paired with some pics of old guys taking a nap!

[blueNorange]

Surprised this wasn't posted yet:

i'm an artist

[Capn'O]

Capno- good work on the tkf post.


Like many of us who were around at the height of his keys, he was one of the driving forces to get me to register and post here.


Anyone interested in the history of Wilson vs gallo debate? I would be willing to write up something.


Awesome nostalgia, guys, keep it up!

I'd love for someone to go with the Ricky Rubio debates...I feel like they went hand in hand with the Gallo/Wilson debates...both about Euro prospects and at the same damned time...Plus I think Rubio has proven me right on that end

Always hated the Gallo/Chandler debates but the Minny debates were really pretty fun. That was an issue complicated to the point where I only vaguely remember the various stances. IIRC there were separate debates of:

1. Will Rubio's game translate to the NBA
2. Will he ever come
3. Will he come to some teams (the Knicks) over others (the Wolves)
4. WTF was Khan thinking pursuing all those damned point guards at once?!

Iirc, my main role in those debates was to argue that Khan was acting a fool, which I think was a fair stance.

My main memories of those debates are Bluest going off the hook about "1 European assist = 100 BILLION NBA assists" and calling him Harry Potter. He was dead wrong but it was really funny.

[aggo]

bno, how did you know that was really q2n8 at the game? did he post his facebook or something?

[Rasho Brezec]

bno, how did you know that was really q2n8 at the game? did he post his facebook or something?

It was him. Now stop asking questions.

[blueNorange]

bno, how did you know that was really q2n8 at the game? did he post his facebook or something?

like it was stated in the game thread, he said he was going to the game and there was this guy with a robinson jersey and looked corny enough to be him. i was sort of joking with that at first, then came the next time he said he was going to go and the same guy with the same nate robinson jersey showed up.

that's when i realized it wasn't coincidence, it's him.