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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#81 » by JBreezeNY » Sun Nov 16, 2014 9:41 pm

StephNYKurry wrote:HIS NAME...IS MONTREZL HARRELL

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHnAKaNPMJ8[/youtube]

STAT with a defensive motor that would make Rodman proud

If we want to win championships, we will do whatever is necessary to get this young man onto the New York Knicks.

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LOL @ STAT, stop.

A better comparison would be Kenneth Faried

But he's 6'8 so no thank you.
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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#82 » by StephNYKurry » Sun Nov 16, 2014 9:42 pm

PMFJB wrote:
StephNYKurry wrote:HIS NAME...IS MONTREZL HARRELL

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHnAKaNPMJ8[/youtube]

STAT with a defensive motor that would make Rodman proud

If we want to win championships, we will do whatever is necessary to get this young man onto the New York Knicks.

Join me.

He looks like he would dunk on his own mother to win. Sign me up if we don't get muday.


Negative.

There are no If's...There are no qualifiers.

He is THE BEST player available in the upcoming draft.

The last guy I was this sure on was Stephen Curry. Swore up and down he'd be better than Blake Griffin back when I was frequenting the Knicks scout board. I believe I was correct. Montrezl is the best player available.

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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#83 » by StephNYKurry » Sun Nov 16, 2014 9:45 pm

JBreezeNY wrote:
StephNYKurry wrote:HIS NAME...IS MONTREZL HARRELL

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHnAKaNPMJ8[/youtube]

STAT with a defensive motor that would make Rodman proud

If we want to win championships, we will do whatever is necessary to get this young man onto the New York Knicks.

Join me.

LOL @ STAT, stop.

A better comparison would be Kenneth Faried

But he's 6'8 so no thank you.


Forgive him Montrezl...he knows not whom he insults
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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#84 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Sun Nov 16, 2014 9:46 pm

StephNYKurry wrote:
PMFJB wrote:
StephNYKurry wrote:HIS NAME...IS MONTREZL HARRELL

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHnAKaNPMJ8[/youtube]

STAT with a defensive motor that would make Rodman proud

If we want to win championships, we will do whatever is necessary to get this young man onto the New York Knicks.

Join me.

He looks like he would dunk on his own mother to win. Sign me up if we don't get muday.


Negative.

There are no If's...There are no qualifiers.

He is THE BEST player available in the upcoming draft.

The last guy I was this sure on was Stephen Curry. Swore up and down he'd be better than Blake Griffin back when I was frequenting the Knicks scout board. I believe I was correct. Montrezl is the best player available.

Join me.


Negative.
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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#85 » by JBreezeNY » Sun Nov 16, 2014 9:48 pm

StephNYKurry wrote:
JBreezeNY wrote:
StephNYKurry wrote:HIS NAME...IS MONTREZL HARRELL

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHnAKaNPMJ8[/youtube]

STAT with a defensive motor that would make Rodman proud

If we want to win championships, we will do whatever is necessary to get this young man onto the New York Knicks.

Join me.

LOL @ STAT, stop.

A better comparison would be Kenneth Faried

But he's 6'8 so no thank you.


Forgive him Montrezl...he knows not whom he insults

I'll keep insulting him because you're overhyping an undersized potentially foul prone PF whose gonna be a big fish in the small pond.

When he's selected at #25 I'll be drinking my pepsi chilling.

Best player in the draft.

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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#86 » by StephNYKurry » Sun Nov 16, 2014 10:07 pm

Knickstape1214 wrote:Negative.


I won't trip, because y'all don't quite understand yet, but you will.

He's actually 6'7...with a 7'3 wingspan

He's not Kenneth Faried. Kenneth Faried wouldn't be in the league if he didn't play the way he plays. If Montrezl played with a normal motor, he'd still be a rotation player in the league, but it's his motor that separates him. He has a skill set that unlike most players, he has developed at the college level, which is an ode to his work ethic. In his first two seasons, he shot below 50% at the free throw line. He opened this season hitting 9 of 10. That's not a hot night from the line; That's a statement and another referendum on his work ethic.

In his freshman season, he was simply a big athlete with endless energy. Last year he added a little mid-range to his game and now he has stretched to beyond the three point line. That's dedication, work ethic, and a humility to understand that I need to improve my game. Guys who continue to improve are the guys that should be valued. Dudes like Russell Westbrook who have an insatiable desire to compete and get better. When you combine talent, freakish athleticism, and desire, you're almost assured success.

He WANTS TO PLAY DEFENSE. That's really all that you can ask for. We're talking about an outstanding athlete who takes pride in being a good defender, he's a bit undisciplined, running around like a chicken with his head cut off at times, but he loves playing defense. He likes getting a stop just as much as he does dunking on someone's head.

Last but not least, he accepts coaching. Which is something that a guy like J.R. could take notes on.

Y'all are going to be pissed if we don't get this kid and he winds up somewhere else wreaking havoc as opposed to exhorting the Garden crowd.

I love basketball savants (Curry, Nash, Bird) and I love big dudes with long arms, a motor like J.J. Watt, and an insatiable desire to get better and compete. At the very least, he will wind up being Taj Gibson (AT THE BARE MINIMUM). The Upside is that of a perennial All-Star in my humble opinion.
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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#87 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Sun Nov 16, 2014 10:13 pm

I don't think he's a bad player. I just don't agree that he's the best in the class like you say he is.
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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#88 » by sweetcity » Sun Nov 16, 2014 10:20 pm

WEAK draft in 2015. Looks like it could be historically bad
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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#89 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Sun Nov 16, 2014 10:22 pm

sweetcity wrote:WEAK draft in 2015. Looks like it could be historically bad


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What?
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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#90 » by E-Balla » Sun Nov 16, 2014 10:39 pm

Montrezl is good and improving rapidly but he's not that great. He might be a David West type player one day but I don't see him being a star at all.
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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#91 » by Chaos Engine » Mon Nov 17, 2014 5:28 am

6'8 potential Farieds do not deserve to get hyped up this much lol....
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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#92 » by kingquan316 » Mon Nov 17, 2014 12:51 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:Don't you guys know how it works? The Knicks will win enough games/get screwed by the lottery gods so that their pick falls exactly one player outside the real difference makers (could be any number, in this draft it seems like that number starts at 6) and then they will draft a player at # 6 (or whatever) who is really not much better than a guy taken at, say, 17.

Immediately after that, the board will divide itself into two camps, one who see no flaws in this player, who is the 2nd coming of (name All-Star/HOF at relevant position) while the other group will hate every single aspect of his game so much, you'd think if they had a time machine they use it to abort his fetus so there is no chance of his ever being drafted in the future.

Though the reality of the player will fall somewhere in between, each group will only see a handful of posters in either group modify their original opinion.


I agree sadly. All I think about was Knicks not losing enough games in 2003 and ending up with Michael Sweetney n missing out on lebron, melo, wade, bosh. So if/when the knicks are not contending for a top 5 seed this season, you have to tank. There will be some people that will refuse to tank and try to win at the end, and I'll just keep mentioning two words.....MICHAEL SWEETNEY.
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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#93 » by Knicksfan1992 » Mon Nov 17, 2014 1:53 pm

kingquan316 wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:Don't you guys know how it works? The Knicks will win enough games/get screwed by the lottery gods so that their pick falls exactly one player outside the real difference makers (could be any number, in this draft it seems like that number starts at 6) and then they will draft a player at # 6 (or whatever) who is really not much better than a guy taken at, say, 17.

Immediately after that, the board will divide itself into two camps, one who see no flaws in this player, who is the 2nd coming of (name All-Star/HOF at relevant position) while the other group will hate every single aspect of his game so much, you'd think if they had a time machine they use it to abort his fetus so there is no chance of his ever being drafted in the future.

Though the reality of the player will fall somewhere in between, each group will only see a handful of posters in either group modify their original opinion.


I agree sadly. All I think about was Knicks not losing enough games in 2003 and ending up with Michael Sweetney n missing out on lebron, melo, wade, bosh. So if/when the knicks are not contending for a top 5 seed this season, you have to tank. There will be some people that will refuse to tank and try to win at the end, and I'll just keep mentioning two words.....MICHAEL SWEETNEY.



That draft was unique in the sense that it was so top-heavy. I don't think that's a very good draft to use to predict future drafts. Kost drafts have more productive guys from 5-15 than that one did. And face it as much as you tanking guys want a top 5 pick we just aren't that bad. Philly, LA, Minny, Denver, and Detroit are all, for sure, worse than us and no matter what we do we won't be worse than them because of Melo. So forget about your Mudiay wet dreams it ain't happening and start rooting for your team to make the playoffs and we can get a mid-round productive big like Harrell.
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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#94 » by Jmonty580 » Mon Nov 17, 2014 3:35 pm

I think Ryan Boatright could be a real steal. Unless Uconn win another chip, he'll likely be at the very bottom of the first round or even mid second round. Dude is a defensive hound though, he really puts preasure on the opposing pg and get a ton of steals. He's also got a good shot and is super fast and athletic. Not a super good passer, but I could see him as a real steal for us.
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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#95 » by moocow007 » Mon Nov 17, 2014 3:44 pm

E-Balla wrote:Montrezl is good and improving rapidly but he's not that great. He might be a David West type player one day but I don't see him being a star at all.


David West is a 2 time All-Star. Tough, physical, passes well, can score in the post and shoot the perimeter shot and brings a winning no back down attitude to every game. David West (even now at 34) would instantly be the 2nd best player on this team.
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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#96 » by Knicksfan1992 » Mon Nov 17, 2014 5:36 pm

Jmonty580 wrote:I think Ryan Boatright could be a real steal. Unless Uconn win another chip, he'll likely be at the very bottom of the first round or even mid second round. Dude is a defensive hound though, he really puts preasure on the opposing pg and get a ton of steals. He's also got a good shot and is super fast and athletic. Not a super good passer, but I could see him as a real steal for us.


I agree he would be a nice triangle point guard. He's a very slightly less athletic Larkin with a jumper and better instincts defensively. Has more potential to be a starter in the league than Larkin does.
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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#97 » by E-Balla » Mon Nov 17, 2014 5:37 pm

moocow007 wrote:
E-Balla wrote:Montrezl is good and improving rapidly but he's not that great. He might be a David West type player one day but I don't see him being a star at all.


David West is a 2 time All-Star. Tough, physical, passes well, can score in the post and shoot the perimeter shot and brings a winning no back down attitude to every game. David West (even now at 34) would instantly be the 2nd best player on this team.

Yeah no one said I didn't like him. We had someone in here calling him as good as Curry though...
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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#98 » by moocow007 » Mon Nov 17, 2014 5:58 pm

Harrell is fine. He's an inch shorter than ideal but he's got gorilla arms (both in terms of length and muscle) and he's both extremely athletic and extremely agile/coordinated (something that a lot of "athletic" big men are not). Guaranteed perennial star? No. But he should be very successful in the NBA. The intensity he plays with alone is worth the price of admission.
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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#99 » by Clincher » Mon Nov 17, 2014 6:18 pm

Harrell still has a somewhat broken outside game so he's in for a rude awakening if he thinks his athleticism is going to carry him to stardom. He has to develop some sort of outside game, this has been his problem since arriving to Louisville

EDIT: Watching the Minnesota video posted above....when the hell did he have confidence to shoot 3's?!?!?!??!

Don't want to write him off after this year as he could have come miles from where he once was but I always thought Harrell to be like a young Kenyon Martin....somewhat who may never be a star player but someone who will stick around the league for 12+ years due to his intensity, defense and offensive rebounding. KMart went no.1 to the Nets in his draft class, I don't think it is outlandish Harrell becomes a top 10 pick.
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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#100 » by BeagleBoss » Wed Nov 19, 2014 12:03 am

Okafor on ESPN right now! Towns @ 9pm.

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