Michael Sweetney (aka Sweets)

[stuporman]

It's all fun and games when it's bullishting on the internet or playing doctor with your buddies until someone life is really hurt by some person with 'feelings' as opinions telling people to stop taking their medication. There are people who devote their life to research so we can learn the evidence of what is actually happening and how to help, these are the people who know the facts, not someone on the internet with stories of anecdotal cures.

As individuals though we need to make judgement calls on the types of therapies we want for us or our loved ones taking everything into consideration and not just begin swallowing pills just on a doctor's word. It's not an easy path to navigate but it's also not an easy issue to deal with.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/01/150128113824.htm

Interestingly, one of the benefits of cannabis is reducing inflammation and more specifically, THC reduces it in the brain. Although finding a strain that has high CBD content is needed to avoid the anxiety as it's the natural counteraction to that effect from it.

Yea and their are also scientists who believe in the big bang theory.

Quote me and debate me on the subject if you want. Just because there are people who put time into research doesnt mean the research is right. People spend their lives researching and trying to prove Big Foot is real.


Just because somebody has a degree doesnt make them smart. I have 4 summer helpers who all go to universities and are 4 of the dumbest kids i have ever met.

You realize my whole problem with everything is the Doctors or prescribe anti depressants and misdiagnose children with depression right? That is my problem. THen you bring up Marijuana which is something i am for.

Pro Marijuana Not Pro pills and medication.


Stop reading my posts as me being insensitive and actually read what i am saying. Maybe im not the best at explaining my point of view, but im not being insensitive at all.

People like you playing doctor on the internet telling people they should stop taking their medication are dangerous. I have personal experience with someone many years ago who was told by another person to do as you are suggesting and weeks later it wound up with a murder-suicide when someone lost control of reality. Do you want that type of thing hanging on your heart and mind with you peddling your internet educated diagnosis?

How am I supposed to debate someone who's opinion is formed on "feelings"? I'm not going to because I know your mind is set and won't change no matter what information is shown you. You know a few people who you think are dumb and go to college so now every bit of research done is null and void in your mind since you know a few people. That's not debate, that's bullisht.

You don't like what I have to say? Don't read my posts. Although I'm not going to let bad advice that someone will give in ignorance that potentially can hurt someone slide past without chiming. This is the real life, it's facts... it's not "feelings" based on more feelings. The way you talk about it proves you have no personal experience with it so why should I genuinely 'debate' you?

With the types of things happening in this country, people with mental health issues that are snapping and shooting places up the last thing we need is someone on the internet telling others to stop taking their medication. Wake up man, this aint a joke.

[NBA Fan 1234]

It's all fun and games when it's bullishting on the internet or playing doctor with your buddies until someone life is really hurt by some person with 'feelings' as opinions telling people to stop taking their medication. There are people who devote their life to research so we can learn the evidence of what is actually happening and how to help, these are the people who know the facts, not someone on the internet with stories of anecdotal cures.

As individuals though we need to make judgement calls on the types of therapies we want for us or our loved ones taking everything into consideration and not just begin swallowing pills just on a doctor's word. It's not an easy path to navigate but it's also not an easy issue to deal with.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/01/150128113824.htm

Interestingly, one of the benefits of cannabis is reducing inflammation and more specifically, THC reduces it in the brain. Although finding a strain that has high CBD content is needed to avoid the anxiety as it's the natural counteraction to that effect from it.

Yea and their are also scientists who believe in the big bang theory.

Quote me and debate me on the subject if you want. Just because there are people who put time into research doesnt mean the research is right. People spend their lives researching and trying to prove Big Foot is real.


Just because somebody has a degree doesnt make them smart. I have 4 summer helpers who all go to universities and are 4 of the dumbest kids i have ever met.

You realize my whole problem with everything is the Doctors or prescribe anti depressants and misdiagnose children with depression right? That is my problem. THen you bring up Marijuana which is something i am for.

Pro Marijuana Not Pro pills and medication.


Stop reading my posts as me being insensitive and actually read what i am saying. Maybe im not the best at explaining my point of view, but im not being insensitive at all.

People like you playing doctor on the internet telling people they should stop taking their medication are dangerous. I have personal experience with someone many years ago who was told by another person to do as you are suggesting and weeks later it wound up with a murder-suicide when someone lost control of reality. Do you want that type of thing hanging on your heart and mind with you peddling your internet educated diagnosis?

How am I supposed to debate someone who's opinion is formed on "feelings"? I'm not going to because I know your mind is set and won't change no matter what information is shown you. You know a few people who you think are dumb and go to college so now every bit of research done is null and void in your mind since you know a few people. That's not debate, that's bullisht.

You don't like what I have to say? Don't read my posts. Although I'm not going to let bad advice that someone will give in ignorance that potentially can hurt someone slide past without chiming. This is the real life, it's facts... it's not "feelings" based on more feelings. The way you talk about it proves you have no personal experience with it so why should I genuinely 'debate' you?

With the types of things happening in this country, people with mental health issues that are snapping and shooting places up the last thing we need is someone on the internet telling others to stop taking their medication. Wake up man, this aint a joke.

Doesn't believe in using medication + doesn't believe in big bang --> this is so clear, so sad, and so ignorant.

[Luv those Knicks]

FWIW, here is the link to a non-botched version of the account of one man's experience with Senegalese treatment of depression...



https://philebersole.wordpress.com/2014/04/15/how-traditional-africans-treat-clinical-depression/

It consisted of stripping to a loincloth, being rubbed with millet, listening to a tape of Chariots of Fire, holding shamanistic objects and dropping them, listening to villagers drumming, getting in bed with a ram, being covered in blankets and sheets by dancing villagers, stripping naked, being drenched with the blood of the ram and two roosters, drinking a Coke, being wrapped in the intestines of the ram, burying little bits of the ram, receiving the millet wrapped in paper with orders to give it to a beggar the next day, saying goodbye to the spirits that infested his body, and then being cleansed of blood by village women spitting water on him.

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a27628/notes-on-an-exorcism/

You know, we had a lot of trouble with Western mental health workers who came here immediately after the genocide, and we had to ask some of them to leave.”

I said, “What was the problem?”

And he said, “Their practice did not involve being outside in the sun, like you’re describing, which is, after all, where you begin to feel better. There was no music or drumming to get your blood flowing again when you’re depressed, and you’re low, and you need to have your blood flowing. There was no sense that everyone had taken the day off so that the entire community could come together to try to lift you up and bring you back to joy. There was no acknowledgment that the depression is something invasive and external that could actually be cast out of you again.

“Instead, they would take people one at a time into these dingy little rooms and have them sit around for an hour or so and talk about bad things that had happened to them. We had to get them to leave the country.”

That's a cool story, but I'm not sure it really fits to a person who lives in the city and works 40-50 hours a week. I'm a big fan of getting out in the sun and I don't drum, but I'm a big fan of banging on a drum, dancing, singing - that whole thing, which we don't do nearly enough of I think.

[Knicksfan20]

Never once said it wasnt real. I just dont think its a genetical disease.

It's not universally genetic, but there is good evidence, both statistical and genetic research that ties depression to genetics.

Depression comes from things that happen in somebodies life. Having Depression is when a doctor tells you , you have it. And you then believe them because hes a doctor.

That's an assumption on your part. Two assumptions actually.

1) that it comes from things that happen - well, OK, sometimes, not always

and 2) you have it when a doctor tells you - clearely you're not familiar with undiagnosed depression, which is quite common.

Im not trying to sound insensitive, i sympathize with people who feel this way. And i sympathize even more with people who get wrongly diagnosed every day. Feel bad for the 12 year old kids who get told they will never be happy or normal and have to take this pill if they ever want to be normal. I truly feel bad for them. Its not their fault they are currently being set up for failure, but their parents fault for being lazy and not talking to their kids and the Doctors fault for giving addictive drugs to a pubescent boy or girl.

People think im being a dick and im not. Im just so against medications such as anti depressents and i have strong views and opinions about them.

Do your views include people who say that antidepressants have saved their lives? I'm just curious. What would you say to a person who walked up to you and told you "antidepressants helped me live a normal and happy life"

The reason you sound insensitive (and, I get what you're saying and I know that you're not insensitive, but you do sound insentive).

Look at it this way, your approach seems to be "deal with it, no matter how long it lasts" and there's no room for medicine based help. Is there no room for a happy middle ground where, some of the time, medication might be helpful? I work in a doctors office and my experience is, frankly, the opposite of yours. There's a stigma "I'm not depressed, I'll tough it out" - so people don't want pills, when in fact, pills might help them. At least, I've seen that come up a whole lot more than I've seen the doctor push pills on people who didn't need them. - that's my gods honest experience.

People believe pills work becuase thats what A doctor told them. Thats what "Research" tells them. Of course they believe the pills work, because when they dont take them they become irritated and their brain goes crazy because they are withdrawing.


My opinion is this..

No matter what the case, anti depressants are not the right choice. Parents and Doctors should not be getting children on drugs. If an adult wants to seek a doctors help and take anti depressants then thats fine.

As far as depression goes and genetics... I believe parents pass down lots of things to their children, but not necessarily due to genes. If a child sees their parent depressed all the time, that could affect them. A depressed parent may give their child less attention. A parent who believe in anti depressants will be quick to put their children on them as well because they believe its genetically passed down and already thinks their kid is fkd because well... "hes my son, and i have depression so will he"

My kids mother wanted to get an abortion because "I have to live life with depression and its the worst thing ever. I couldnt imagine giving this disease to another person" Btw my kids mother was diagnosed with depression at 12 cuz she didnt want to go to school because she was bullied for the clothing and glasses she wore. So doctors answer was anti depressants.

Now i have sole custody of my 4 year old and he is the happiest kid you will ever meet. I am certain he will be fine in life because i am taking care of him. ANd no way would i ever bring my son to a doctor without first trying to help him myself or go to a professional like a psychiatrist who can better understand my sons behavior.

Last thing i would ever consider would be putting him on medication and have him zombied out for the rest of his life. People who take anti depressents never get better... You get better once you stop taking medicine.


Same goes for pain killers. Yea they are good in certain situations, but they are over prescribed as well. Smoke weed instead. My dad and kids mother dad both have chronic back issues. My dad is takes and abuses pain killers for his, her dad smokes weed.

Her dad is much better off.

[stuporman]

Yea and their are also scientists who believe in the big bang theory.

Quote me and debate me on the subject if you want. Just because there are people who put time into research doesnt mean the research is right. People spend their lives researching and trying to prove Big Foot is real.


Just because somebody has a degree doesnt make them smart. I have 4 summer helpers who all go to universities and are 4 of the dumbest kids i have ever met.

You realize my whole problem with everything is the Doctors or prescribe anti depressants and misdiagnose children with depression right? That is my problem. THen you bring up Marijuana which is something i am for.

Pro Marijuana Not Pro pills and medication.


Stop reading my posts as me being insensitive and actually read what i am saying. Maybe im not the best at explaining my point of view, but im not being insensitive at all.

People like you playing doctor on the internet telling people they should stop taking their medication are dangerous. I have personal experience with someone many years ago who was told by another person to do as you are suggesting and weeks later it wound up with a murder-suicide when someone lost control of reality. Do you want that type of thing hanging on your heart and mind with you peddling your internet educated diagnosis?

How am I supposed to debate someone who's opinion is formed on "feelings"? I'm not going to because I know your mind is set and won't change no matter what information is shown you. You know a few people who you think are dumb and go to college so now every bit of research done is null and void in your mind since you know a few people. That's not debate, that's bullisht.

You don't like what I have to say? Don't read my posts. Although I'm not going to let bad advice that someone will give in ignorance that potentially can hurt someone slide past without chiming. This is the real life, it's facts... it's not "feelings" based on more feelings. The way you talk about it proves you have no personal experience with it so why should I genuinely 'debate' you?

With the types of things happening in this country, people with mental health issues that are snapping and shooting places up the last thing we need is someone on the internet telling others to stop taking their medication. Wake up man, this aint a joke.

Doesn't believe in using medication + doesn't believe in big bang --> this is so clear, so sad, and so ignorant.

I'm not one to endorse using medication indiscriminately, in fact, I don't even take aspirin or ibuprofen. I am very much for keeping our bodies clear of chemicals and intoxicants to an extreme in many people's opinions but there is no way that someone telling others on the internet to stop their medication is a smart thing to do. The results can be life altering, it's something that people with intimate knowledge of the details of that person's condition have to determine, not some schmoe on the internet who doesn't know anything about them.

[Knicksfan20]

It's all fun and games when it's bullishting on the internet or playing doctor with your buddies until someone life is really hurt by some person with 'feelings' as opinions telling people to stop taking their medication. There are people who devote their life to research so we can learn the evidence of what is actually happening and how to help, these are the people who know the facts, not someone on the internet with stories of anecdotal cures.

As individuals though we need to make judgement calls on the types of therapies we want for us or our loved ones taking everything into consideration and not just begin swallowing pills just on a doctor's word. It's not an easy path to navigate but it's also not an easy issue to deal with.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/01/150128113824.htm

Interestingly, one of the benefits of cannabis is reducing inflammation and more specifically, THC reduces it in the brain. Although finding a strain that has high CBD content is needed to avoid the anxiety as it's the natural counteraction to that effect from it.

Yea and their are also scientists who believe in the big bang theory.

Quote me and debate me on the subject if you want. Just because there are people who put time into research doesnt mean the research is right. People spend their lives researching and trying to prove Big Foot is real.


Just because somebody has a degree doesnt make them smart. I have 4 summer helpers who all go to universities and are 4 of the dumbest kids i have ever met.

You realize my whole problem with everything is the Doctors or prescribe anti depressants and misdiagnose children with depression right? That is my problem. THen you bring up Marijuana which is something i am for.

Pro Marijuana Not Pro pills and medication.


Stop reading my posts as me being insensitive and actually read what i am saying. Maybe im not the best at explaining my point of view, but im not being insensitive at all.

People like you playing doctor on the internet telling people they should stop taking their medication are dangerous. I have personal experience with someone many years ago who was told by another person to do as you are suggesting and weeks later it wound up with a murder-suicide when someone lost control of reality. Do you want that type of thing hanging on your heart and mind with you peddling your internet educated diagnosis?

How am I supposed to debate someone who's opinion is formed on "feelings"? I'm not going to because I know your mind is set and won't change no matter what information is shown you. You know a few people who you think are dumb and go to college so now every bit of research done is null and void in your mind since you know a few people. That's not debate, that's bullisht.

You don't like what I have to say? Don't read my posts. Although I'm not going to let bad advice that someone will give in ignorance that potentially can hurt someone slide past without chiming. This is the real life, it's facts... it's not "feelings" based on more feelings. The way you talk about it proves you have no personal experience with it so why should I genuinely 'debate' you?

With the types of things happening in this country, people with mental health issues that are snapping and shooting places up the last thing we need is someone on the internet telling others to stop taking their medication. Wake up man, this aint a joke.

Show me facts how Anti Depressants are good for people. I am open for a debate. YOu have given nothing so far. Maybe this person of a person you knew wouldnt have murder suicided if he never was on drugs in the first place. Pretty easy to give up on life when you are told you will never experience happyness.

I know plenty about the subject, not just personal feelings.

[Capn'O]

FWIW, here is the link to a non-botched version of the account of one man's experience with Senegalese treatment of depression...



https://philebersole.wordpress.com/2014/04/15/how-traditional-africans-treat-clinical-depression/

It consisted of stripping to a loincloth, being rubbed with millet, listening to a tape of Chariots of Fire, holding shamanistic objects and dropping them, listening to villagers drumming, getting in bed with a ram, being covered in blankets and sheets by dancing villagers, stripping naked, being drenched with the blood of the ram and two roosters, drinking a Coke, being wrapped in the intestines of the ram, burying little bits of the ram, receiving the millet wrapped in paper with orders to give it to a beggar the next day, saying goodbye to the spirits that infested his body, and then being cleansed of blood by village women spitting water on him.

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a27628/notes-on-an-exorcism/

You know, we had a lot of trouble with Western mental health workers who came here immediately after the genocide, and we had to ask some of them to leave.”

I said, “What was the problem?”

And he said, “Their practice did not involve being outside in the sun, like you’re describing, which is, after all, where you begin to feel better. There was no music or drumming to get your blood flowing again when you’re depressed, and you’re low, and you need to have your blood flowing. There was no sense that everyone had taken the day off so that the entire community could come together to try to lift you up and bring you back to joy. There was no acknowledgment that the depression is something invasive and external that could actually be cast out of you again.

“Instead, they would take people one at a time into these dingy little rooms and have them sit around for an hour or so and talk about bad things that had happened to them. We had to get them to leave the country.”

That's a cool story, but I'm not sure it really fits to a person who lives in the city and works 40-50 hours a week. I'm a big fan of getting out in the sun and I don't drum, but I'm a big fan of banging on a drum, dancing, singing - that whole thing, which we don't do nearly enough of I think.

Of course. To make no mention that not everyone I know has a an extra ram lying around to sacrifice or is connected with a shaman with experience in demon extraction

It's a completely inappropriate ritual to perform out of context - but it provides some interesting principles that I do think have relevance/are underutilized regarding how this culture treats and regards the mentally ill. The community immersion and energy infusion aspects can be a big part of it.