OT. The Donald Trump (and Politics) Momentum Thread

[Bill Pidto]

**** Trump

He speaks to the ignorance of America. A large portion of his campaign is based off racism.

Google the word 'nationalism'

Different than racism.

Ignorance is accepting and trusting in the leadership we've had for many years now. Before Obama and before Bush. Before both Bush's. Ignorance is firmly believing Hilary Clinton is going to help right the ship. Ignorance is believing that socialism is the answer. There are serious, SERIOUS issues at play here, that most Americans are still completely unaware of. Trump may not be an angel, but he is by far the most believable candidate I've ever seen, and at least on the surface, he represents a possible answer to some of the atrocities committed by "the establishment" (I love how that's just a media buzzword now)

Trump is funding his own campaign, speaking out against corporations, special interests, the lying media and lying politicians... and both sides are scared of him and are trying to sabatoge him. That's a red badge of honor for me.

It's funny.... people have been laughing at "conspiracy theorists" for years, and now much of those theories are playing out in plain sight, and you even have globalists like Hilary Clinton admitting that "the economy is rigged" as part of her campaign. It's a joke.

I thought for sure Alex Jones of all people would find a way to say that Trump is some how an Illuminati puppet designed to disrupt or whatever..... but even Alex Jones has thrown his full support behind Trump. Something big is happening here.

When Trump talks about people who come up to him and tell him they've never voted in their lives, but are finally going to vote now.... I'm one of those people.

Nationalism is saying white race is superior...racism is saying Mexicans are rapists...

Ummmmmm.... what?

[nykballa2k4]

Come on; there is at the very least an undercurrent of racism in Trumps campaign; why shouldn't there be? The Republican party has flirted with racism against blacks, to one degree or another, since at least Nixon, as they sought to capture "the solid south" democratic vote. All those white racists who wouldn't vote for the party of Lincoln got recruited and now vote Republican every time. Usually the racism is in code, with sayings like "Welfare causes entitlement. Look at all those on Welfare with bling".

Welfare may or may not cause entitlement, but I know for sure when I have that ignorant old friend or family member and they use the statement like that, it isn't just big government they have an issue with.

Trump absolutely played the race card on Mexicans. Yes, being upset about illegal immigration need not be racist. But Trump claimed we get their "worst - rapists, thugs, drug dealers". Er, no. Sure, some people like that come over. Mainly people come to work at cheap jobs because there is almost zero repercussions for businesses who hire illegals. Hmmm....wonder why that is.

Trump himself just does the legal thing and hires cheap Euro workers from busted ass former Soviet bloc countries and pays them like crap w/o benefits. That's legal, but it sure aint "jobs for Americans" (this is the practice at a lot of his resorts)

Racist caucasion-americans have certainly found salvation in the Trump campaign.

Yeah, it's pretty hard to deny. I'm not saying he isn't speaking to the anger and resentment of working class whites (and non whites) who feel screwed over by the system. But there is a strong whiff of racism as well among many whites who support him.

Trump support is a large circle, a portion of that large circle is perhaps racist americans, other portions may be, as you said, working class under-employed, people who just hate immigration, people who want to see Iran, Russia, China "put in their place," people who are just anti-establishment.

When you think of a two party system, it is easy to feel claustrophobic. You may feel that you don't have a choice and whoever the president is will simply be a product of the machine, less of an individual.

It stands to reason, part of the reason people dislike Romney, dislike Rubio is because to be republican is supposed to mean to be anti-controlling government, and they both came off as robotic perfect candidates produced by big government.

America actually hates perfection, it's sort of funny. We want the person who has warts like the rest of us. If someone is too perfect, we HAVE TO tear them down. LeBron, Cam, Durant, and soon to be Curry in the sports world. We like imperfect -- like Jeter who was never the #1 at his position (thus there wasn't an issue of is he still the best).

[Riot Randolph]

He's basically running Reagan's 1980 campaign but with over racism instead of the subtle type

He's running Barry goldwaters ...

[Rasho Brezec]

All aboard the Trumpwagon.

Did anyone actually read his proposed plans?

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions

A lot of his proposals are actually left / left-centre. Him being the businessman that he is, he just found a market niche on the Republican ticket with this gimmick about immigration, veterans and kicking China's ass. He doesn't actually believe half of the **** he says. But he knows that's the way to address the voters other candidates don't have the balls to take.

[UcanUwill]

Makes you sad when you realize large groups of people actually support this guy. We still have a long way to go, aren't we. Still not as bad as Rick Perry in 2012 IMO tho.

[E-Balla]

"As first lady, Hillary Clinton advocated for the bill, and critics say she bears responsibility for the way it has resulted in a disproportionate number of African Americans and Hispanics being ensnared in the criminal justice system. Mandatory minimum sentences, particularly for nonviolent drug crimes, were disproportionately meted out to black and Hispanic offenders. African Americans and Hispanics also are more likely than white people to be stopped by police"


Sanders voted for it too. Playing on peoples fears of minority crime is always good for cheap votes.

So I'll ask one more time: How did Hillary Clinton vote for a bill while not holding any type of public office?

She didn't vote but advocated for it as first lady

So basically the same as Trump.

[CharlesOakley]

**** Trump

He speaks to the ignorance of America. A large portion of his campaign is based off racism.

Google the word 'nationalism'

Different than racism.

Ignorance is accepting and trusting in the leadership we've had for many years now. Before Obama and before Bush. Before both Bush's. Ignorance is firmly believing Hilary Clinton is going to help right the ship. Ignorance is believing that socialism is the answer. There are serious, SERIOUS issues at play here, that most Americans are still completely unaware of. Trump may not be an angel, but he is by far the most believable candidate I've ever seen, and at least on the surface, he represents a possible answer to some of the atrocities committed by "the establishment" (I love how that's just a media buzzword now)

Trump is funding his own campaign, speaking out against corporations, special interests, the lying media and lying politicians... and both sides are scared of him and are trying to sabatoge him. That's a red badge of honor for me.

It's funny.... people have been laughing at "conspiracy theorists" for years, and now much of those theories are playing out in plain sight, and you even have globalists like Hilary Clinton admitting that "the economy is rigged" as part of her campaign. It's a joke.

I thought for sure Alex Jones of all people would find a way to say that Trump is some how an Illuminati puppet designed to disrupt or whatever..... but even Alex Jones has thrown his full support behind Trump. Something big is happening here.

When Trump talks about people who come up to him and tell him they've never voted in their lives, but are finally going to vote now.... I'm one of those people.

I'm surprised you can even form sentences.

[Moose]

People falling for the trolls.

[Thugger HBC]

Some of these OT threads brings out the best in us. I always learn something new.

[thebuzzardman]

So I'll ask one more time: How did Hillary Clinton vote for a bill while not holding any type of public office?

She didn't vote but advocated for it as first lady

So basically the same as Trump.

Yes, they are both assh*les.

[thebuzzardman]

He's basically running Reagan's 1980 campaign but with over racism instead of the subtle type

He's running Barry goldwaters ...

Reagan ran a modified Goldwater campaign...or any republican did once they realized Barry's appeal to certain voters. And they've been trolling that group for votes ever since.

[PeoplesChamp]

America wants to get back to its racist roots with Trump. They feel dirty after electing a Black dude. They're tired of tolerance and progress. After a two-term president the country usually votes the other way, so after almost a decade of being an alleged "post-racial" America, they want to go back to Hee Haw. Trump's many things (bigot, demagogue, facist...) but he's no dummy. He said a long time ago he would only run if he knew he could win. Stoking racial & religious flames and playing to the segment of white people in our country who are so used to privilege that equality feels like oppression, he's built a fervor that might get him in. While the fact that he's not beholden to the establishment and pretty much has no leash, which scares Washington shtless, is a great thing. The darkness he's stirring up in this country outweighs it and will do more harm than good. And not just to people of color or non-Christians. But to this country as a whole.

If this is who America wants as President, then this is what the identity of America will be.

[Capn'O]

Trump is obviously trolling the bigot vote. His actual platform is among the most moderate on a number of issues within the party. His rhetoric, however, is extremely dangerous and has already incited violence. He welcomes and encourages violence towards any opposition - which is terrifying. Where he actually stands is anyone's guess but his impact is already set in motion.

That said, if the American "Left" is still assuming that's the only thing driving his campaign, it's gonna have a huge wakeup call. His appeals away from social/religious issues and towards economic ones is another and it's already lopping voters off the Dem base that have previously been taken for granted.


Sanders has the better chance of maintaining and even growing the party's base back towards working class populism with his consistent appeals to trade and finance issues. And, in clear opposition to Trump, his social rhetoric is one of inclusion. He's a much stronger candidate against Trump and likely prevails regardless. Once you bypass the superdelegate count - the Dem race is still very much in play, with a potential strong run coming in northern and western states.

What's beyond clear from this election is that the US needs a proper labor party. Neither party even bothers with working class economic issues anymore and it's pathetic.

[Rasho Brezec]

Some of these OT threads brings out the best in us. I always learn something new.

I always open these threads and end up thinking to myself I'm lucky I live on a different continent than most of these people.

[Riot Randolph]

He's basically running Reagan's 1980 campaign but with over racism instead of the subtle type

He's running Barry goldwaters ...

Reagan ran a modified Goldwater campaign...or any republican did once they realized Barry's appeal to certain voters. And they've been trolling that group for votes ever since.

Goldwater didnt hide his racism...

[E-Balla]

Trump is obviously trolling the bigot vote. His actual platform is among the most moderate on a number of issues within the party. His rhetoric, however, is extremely dangerous and has already incited violence. He welcomes and encourages violence towards any opposition - which is terrifying. Where he actually stands is anyone's guess but his impact is already set in motion.

That said, if the American "Left" is still assuming that's the only thing driving his campaign, it's gonna have a huge wakeup call. His appeals away from social/religious issues and towards economic ones is another and it's already lopping voters off the Dem base that have previously been taken for granted.


Sanders has the better chance of maintaining and even growing the party's base back towards working class populism with his consistent appeals to trade and finance issues. And, in clear opposition to Trump, his social rhetoric is one of inclusion. He's a much stronger candidate against Trump and likely prevails regardless. Once you bypass the superdelegate count - the Dem race is still very much in play, with a potential strong run coming in northern and western states.

What's beyond clear from this election is that the US needs a proper labor party. Neither party even bothers with working class economic issues anymore and it's pathetic.

Sanders isn't really in play. He's fallen behind pretty big and he'll need to beat Hillary bad going forward (especially in CA) if he wants this. With him polling as barely ahead of Hillary at best he's not getting this. Plus his main voter base doesn't vote and Hillary has a few southern states left to destroy him in. She's outperforming what she needs to win by 20%.

[Riot Randolph]

**** Trump

He speaks to the ignorance of America. A large portion of his campaign is based off racism.

Google the word 'nationalism'

Different than racism.

Ignorance is accepting and trusting in the leadership we've had for many years now. Before Obama and before Bush. Before both Bush's. Ignorance is firmly believing Hilary Clinton is going to help right the ship. Ignorance is believing that socialism is the answer. There are serious, SERIOUS issues at play here, that most Americans are still completely unaware of. Trump may not be an angel, but he is by far the most believable candidate I've ever seen, and at least on the surface, he represents a possible answer to some of the atrocities committed by "the establishment" (I love how that's just a media buzzword now)

Trump is funding his own campaign, speaking out against corporations, special interests, the lying media and lying politicians... and both sides are scared of him and are trying to sabatoge him. That's a red badge of honor for me.

It's funny.... people have been laughing at "conspiracy theorists" for years, and now much of those theories are playing out in plain sight, and you even have globalists like Hilary Clinton admitting that "the economy is rigged" as part of her campaign. It's a joke.

I thought for sure Alex Jones of all people would find a way to say that Trump is some how an Illuminati puppet designed to disrupt or whatever..... but even Alex Jones has thrown his full support behind Trump. Something big is happening here.

When Trump talks about people who come up to him and tell him they've never voted in their lives, but are finally going to vote now.... I'm one of those people.

I'm surprised you can even form sentences.

He's an embarrassment ....

[Rasho Brezec]

Trump is obviously trolling the bigot vote. His actual platform is among the most moderate on a number of issues within the party. His rhetoric, however, is extremely dangerous and has already incited violence. He welcomes and encourages violence towards any opposition - which is terrifying. Where he actually stands is anyone's guess but his impact is already set in motion.

That said, if the American "Left" is still assuming that's the only thing driving his campaign, it's gonna have a huge wakeup call. His appeals away from social/religious issues and towards economic ones is another and it's already lopping voters off the Dem base that have previously been taken for granted.


Sanders has the better chance of maintaining and even growing the party's base back towards working class populism with his consistent appeals to trade and finance issues. And, in clear opposition to Trump, his social rhetoric is one of inclusion. He's a much stronger candidate against Trump and likely prevails regardless. Once you bypass the superdelegate count - the Dem race is still very much in play, with a potential strong run coming in northern and western states.

What's beyond clear from this election is that the US needs a proper labor party. Neither party even bothers with working class economic issues anymore and it's pathetic.

Funny you say that, looking at it from afar with no horse in play, the anti-Trump campaign all over the world from reactionary social justice warriors and PC crowd has been a lot more violent than anything Trump has said or done. And all the mud thrown at him just makes him more popular. Maybe the anti-Trump camp should get off their high horse and stop enabling him.

But a Trump-Sanders battle would actually be worth following seeing as they don't have anyone to answer to but the voters. I never understood what the US voting system had to do with democracy anyways. The candidates campaigns are being financed by corporations with outrageous amounts of money and only two options have an actual chance of being elected. Where does the voter have a say in this exactly?

[xNewYorkMadex]

Whoever actually believes his earpiece was "malfunctioning" is a damn fool. That was the sorriest excuse I ever heard. He refused to disavow the KKK outright on National TV and said he had no idea who the KKK was and didnt have more information on them. I mean cmon. Trump knows exactly what hes doing.

Im not even sure if the guy really is a racist and believes what he says. He did disavow the leader of the KKK several years ago before he was running for president, but when the spotlight is on him, he continues to leave that narrative out there because his voters love it.

[Capn'O]

Trump is obviously trolling the bigot vote. His actual platform is among the most moderate on a number of issues within the party. His rhetoric, however, is extremely dangerous and has already incited violence. He welcomes and encourages violence towards any opposition - which is terrifying. Where he actually stands is anyone's guess but his impact is already set in motion.

That said, if the American "Left" is still assuming that's the only thing driving his campaign, it's gonna have a huge wakeup call. His appeals away from social/religious issues and towards economic ones is another and it's already lopping voters off the Dem base that have previously been taken for granted.


Sanders has the better chance of maintaining and even growing the party's base back towards working class populism with his consistent appeals to trade and finance issues. And, in clear opposition to Trump, his social rhetoric is one of inclusion. He's a much stronger candidate against Trump and likely prevails regardless. Once you bypass the superdelegate count - the Dem race is still very much in play, with a potential strong run coming in northern and western states.

What's beyond clear from this election is that the US needs a proper labor party. Neither party even bothers with working class economic issues anymore and it's pathetic.

Sanders isn't really in play. He's fallen behind pretty big and he'll need to beat Hillary bad going forward (especially in CA) if he wants this. With him polling as barely ahead of Hillary at best he's not getting this. Plus his main voter base doesn't vote and Hillary has a few southern states left to destroy him in. She's outperforming what she needs to win by 20%.

I disagree. IMO, there's one more shot. Again - remove the superdelegates from the conversation.

The March 15 primary is huge. Ohio, Illinois, and Florida are make or break states for his campaign. He's gotta win 2 and stay strong in the other.