Knicks Record Prediction

[robillionaire]

I'll be positive and say 46 wins

[CJackson]

OMG Derrick Williams is better? No wonder I ignored u (except seeing this), you make no logical sense

yeah that is OMG material. what a dingus thing to say

yet again you insult me, yet i've never insulted you.

but who's the troll?

OK, I won't comment on you in that manner again.

I do find it hard to believe you even want the Knicks to do well so it is hard not to consider you a troll because you choose to be contrarian about everything, but I agree not to insult you.

[NYKNICKPLAYA]

My heart says 51 wins. It really does. IF everything goes well though, which is probably won't...we really need everyone to be healthy to sustain winning in the regular season. The season is always a roller coaster, even when things are cooking well.

My head says it won't go all smooth (41 wins), there will be growing pains (normal for team with several new key additions), but I think there is enough talent to overcome some stuff.

But to me, can you grind out that many wins with a weak bench? No. Need a couple guys like Willy or Kuz to exceed expectations. Need KP to be GREAT. Melo needs to play like a top 10 MVP candidate caliber production.

I am predicting 44. And that I think is pretty optimistic.

All that being said IF everything does go well, and we are deep and our starting core is GREAT together and have three top 18 ppg scorers- we will be a near contender, for sure have a chance at Conference Finals.

[SeniorWalker]

I voted 51-55.

I'm assuming overall good health for everyone, which means a few may miss games here and there but all of the key players play 65+ games.
I'm also assuming Rose (as mentioned in another thread) plays at 70% capacity and maintains consistency.
Melo is motivated and has a season somewhere in the average of the last few years.
KP takes a reasonable step forward on offense and plays like at least a third option, though closer toward him becoming the 1st option as the season progresses and beyond.

The east is better than it has been but there are no juggernauts except Cleveland. If the defense can be close to top 10, the Knicks can do very well.

If health is a small factor, I think somewhere in the low to mid 40's is likely.

If health is a big factor, 30's and missing the playoffs.

[MetaKnick13]

I think we should expect somewhere between 40-46 wins. 40 if things go poorly, 46 being if everything goes really well.

[Jose7]

42-40
8th seed

[ibraheim718]

I never said he was going to LA. I don't care where he goes, but he's not tanking again. He can't.

Waiving Rose doesn't remove Melo, Noah, KP and possibly Lee.

I disagree that he can't tank again.

The fanbase and Dolan knows Phil is taking a calculated risk with Rose and Noah and their precarious health.

Since we finally own our pick, fans would be accepting, and later, ecstatic to get a dawg to pair with KP who will hit their primes when LeBron and the Dubs are wrapping up their dominace

I'm not saying he's not allowed to tank. I'm saying he can't.

He can't get rid of our starting lineup at the deadline like he did the first time we tanked.

Melo - NTC
Noah - Aging on a long-term deal
KP - Obvious
Rose - Can be bought out, but won't be, and losing him alone won't make a huge difference.
Lee - Probably the only movable one, but still won't make a huge difference in isolation.

All those dudes (Rose, Melo, Noah) can get hurt though and he can tank by accident again.

[GONYK]

I disagree that he can't tank again.

The fanbase and Dolan knows Phil is taking a calculated risk with Rose and Noah and their precarious health.

Since we finally own our pick, fans would be accepting, and later, ecstatic to get a dawg to pair with KP who will hit their primes when LeBron and the Dubs are wrapping up their dominace

I'm not saying he's not allowed to tank. I'm saying he can't.

He can't get rid of our starting lineup at the deadline like he did the first time we tanked.

Melo - NTC
Noah - Aging on a long-term deal
KP - Obvious
Rose - Can be bought out, but won't be, and losing him alone won't make a huge difference.
Lee - Probably the only movable one, but still won't make a huge difference in isolation.

All those dudes (Rose, Melo, Noah) can get hurt though and he can tank by accident again.

Correct, but this whole thing started by Carl saying that if it is going poorly, Phil would just trade everyone and go for broke again.

That just isn't happening this time around.

[ctorres]

If the 2012-2013 Knicks were able to win 54 games, I think we should win at least 51 games.

Our four "penciled in" starters that season (only ones who played zero games coming off the bench) missed a combined 82 games.

Melo missed 15 games, Tyson 16 games, Felton (when he was still a "decent" starting point guard) 14 games, and Shumpert (when he was a "passable" starting 3&D SG/SF) missed 37 games.

Even if Noah, Melo, and Rose miss 15 games each, we have a good shot at a 50+ win season

[aj49689]

I am sure the knicks are the only team that stand in the cav's way this year in the east. Come April they will be talking about the knicks being the contenders. Although Rose will have some injuries I do not believe that they will be serious. The chemistry will be there right off the bat with this team and that's the most important thing for success.
I think Rose's body is ready to be more explosive then last year and Melo is the type of player that can make his teammates play at a higher level. Melo draw's so much attention that guys like Rose can really feed off of. I am really excited to see what kind of year Porzingis is gonna have with these players around him. It just seems likely that Rose will get him the easy baskets at the rim that he didn't get last year. Noah working hard boxing out should make a major impact on freeing Porzingis rebounds and putbacks. If the floor opens up for melo, life will be so much easier.

What I also look for is that when the team is playing good, other players level of play will rise as well. When the game becomes easy, defense becomes contagious. Don't believe the knicks will have a problem wining over 45 games this year. My guess is 47-52 but anything can happen in the nba.

[seren]

We are half assing as usual. I just don't get it with this team. We could have kept Galloway with zero salary impact. He would have been a decent fourth guard and a great injury insurance. But we didn't. Why? We went ahead and got three injury prone big minute players with no decent backup option. Great to have Noah, but he is an injury risk. You need to get a decent veteran backup in case. Great to have young guys, but if that is the route you are taking go get young veterans along who don't have injury histories.

So are you saying our young guys have injury histories? Are you referring to Jennings - who looks completely recovered, or N'dour who is our 15th guy off the bench? and I'm Not sure what you mean by "half assing". We got loads of depth and young talent with ZERO draft picks . I think Phil did a fine job here considering what he had to work with.

I am referring to all three. Noah, Rose and Jennings. Jennings is the healthiest. Add Melo to risk of injuries as well. Chicago always had depth behind Noah. That was for a reason. We have a rookie and OQuiin. Doesn't scream 50 win rotation to me. Phil certainly left depth in the table. At the minimum he should have kept Galloway. Now we are one very likely injury away from having Vujacic as a full time rotation player. We had success only one season in recent history when we had great veteran depth. Certainly this squad lacks that. I am happy to have young depth but recent history tells us we won't keep them even if they turn into decent rotation players.

[seren]

If the 2012-2013 Knicks were able to win 54 games, I think we should win at least 51 games.

Our four "penciled in" starters that season (only ones who played zero games coming off the bench) missed a combined 82 games.

Melo missed 15 games, Tyson 16 games, Felton (when he was still a "decent" starting point guard) 14 games, and Shumpert (when he was a "passable" starting 3&D SG/SF) missed 37 games.

Even if Noah, Melo, and Rose miss 15 games each, we have a good shot at a 50+ win season

When those guys missed games, you had Camby, Wallace, Kidd covering for them. Those guys knew how to play the game. Now your answer is Vujacic and OQuinn. That doesn't scream confidence.

[Carl_Karlson]

I'm not saying he's not allowed to tank. I'm saying he can't.

He can't get rid of our starting lineup at the deadline like he did the first time we tanked.

Melo - NTC
Noah - Aging on a long-term deal
KP - Obvious
Rose - Can be bought out, but won't be, and losing him alone won't make a huge difference.
Lee - Probably the only movable one, but still won't make a huge difference in isolation.

All those dudes (Rose, Melo, Noah) can get hurt though and he can tank by accident again.

Correct, but this whole thing started by Carl saying that if it is going poorly, Phil would just trade everyone and go for broke again.

That just isn't happening this time around.

Dude, I didn't say "trade everyone." I said it's possible Phil would make a move or two to help facilitate a tank if this team is just under .500 at the trade deadline. The moves being to buy out Rose and try to trade Noah to a contender for an expiring or young player

[casesuggs6]

With the Knick, over the last few years, I come to not expect much of what they may or may not due during the season. My motto is, wait and see what happens and hope that the results are good.

[thebuzzardman]

Hmm.

32 Wins last year with Melo hurt, no NBA PG starting or on the bench, bad coaching

+3 wins for Rose
+3 wins for Jennings as a backup and for the games he'll start when Rose is hurt (not many, but around 10)
+5 wins for real NBA coach
+3 wins for Noah being better passer, in space defender than Lopez
+1 wins for CLee bringing everything necessary Aflolo should have, but with more health and better defense

-2 wins for games Noah will miss
-2 wins for the East being a little better top to bottom (except the Nets)

43 wins

[GONYK]

All those dudes (Rose, Melo, Noah) can get hurt though and he can tank by accident again.

Correct, but this whole thing started by Carl saying that if it is going poorly, Phil would just trade everyone and go for broke again.

That just isn't happening this time around.

Dude, I didn't say "trade everyone." I said it's possible Phil would make a move or two to help facilitate a tank if this team is just under .500 at the trade deadline. The moves being to buy out Rose and try to trade Noah to a contender for an expiring or young player

Even those aren't happening. If Noah is playing well, we are keeping him and probably a winning team. If he's injured or playing poorly, there's no way we are getting that kind of deal back for him.

It makes no sense from an opposing GM's POV.

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[thebuzzardman]

If the 2012-2013 Knicks were able to win 54 games, I think we should win at least 51 games.

Our four "penciled in" starters that season (only ones who played zero games coming off the bench) missed a combined 82 games.

Melo missed 15 games, Tyson 16 games, Felton (when he was still a "decent" starting point guard) 14 games, and Shumpert (when he was a "passable" starting 3&D SG/SF) missed 37 games.

Even if Noah, Melo, and Rose miss 15 games each, we have a good shot at a 50+ win season

When those guys missed games, you had Camby, Wallace, Kidd covering for them. Those guys knew how to play the game. Now your answer is Vujacic and OQuinn. That doesn't scream confidence.

No, but in spite of them being rookies/new to the league, Baker, Kuz and Willie do

[aj49689]

Hmm.

32 Wins last year with Melo hurt, no NBA PG starting or on the bench, bad coaching

+3 wins for Rose
+3 wins for Jennings as a backup and for the games he'll start when Rose is hurt (not many, but around 10)
+5 wins for real NBA coach
+3 wins for Noah being better passer, in space defender than Lopez
+1 wins for CLee bringing everything necessary Aflolo should have, but with more health and better defense

-2 wins for games Noah will miss
-2 wins for the East being a little better top to bottom (except the Nets)

43 wins

If I was to use your formula and change the perception it would be:

32 Wins last year with Melo hurt, no NBA PG starting or on the bench, bad coaching

+10 wins for Improved Porzingis outputs, Noah being better passer and Rose changing the dynamic chemistry. +15 possibility
+3 wins for real NBA coach +3 possibility
+3 wins for Melo's increase output numbers. +5 possibility
+2 wins for C. Lee improvement over A.A., Afflalo did hit some big shots last year +2 possibility
+2 better chemistry +5 possibility

-2 wins for games Noah will miss
-2 wins for games Rose will miss
-2 games for Jennings struggles.


47 wins

If they played at the highest level, its possible for 62 win season. Unlikely but possible

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