Multiple NBA teams refusing to stay at Donald Trump's hotels while on road trips

[blitz41]

There seems to be a lot of racism talk in this thread. Can somebody tell me if this counts as racism? Because im not sure.

https://www.facebook.com/drWilda/posts/1060180390733690

No it isnt, this is just breitbart trying to equate hillary's respect for a dead senator (who was widely respected by both parties) whos racial positions changed drastically with time. With the avowed support of the KKK and people like david duke for trump. Some points on byrd:

-Byrd said that he regretted filibustering and voting against the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and would change it if he had the opportunity. -He said joining the KKK was "the greatest mistake I ever made."
-For the 2003–2004 session, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP)rated Byrd's voting record as being 100% in line with the N.A.A.C.P.'s position on the thirty-three Senate bills they evaluated. Sixteen other senators received that rating.
-In June 2005, Byrd proposed an additional $10,000,000 in federal funding for the Martin Luther King, Jr. National Memorial in Washington, D.C., remarking that, "With the passage of time, we have come to learn that his Dream was the American Dream, and few ever expressed it more eloquently."
-Upon news of his death, the NAACP released a statement praising Byrd, saying that he "became a champion for civil rights and liberties" and "came to consistently support the NAACP civil rights agenda".

Now, i am somewhat uncomfortable with the general liberal ownership of most media (i think open dialogue with varying viewpoints is important) but breitbart is a cesspool that doesnt even have interest in finding an objective truth.

[Latvia]

There seems to be a lot of racism talk in this thread. Can somebody tell me if this counts as racism? Because im not sure.

https://www.facebook.com/drWilda/posts/1060180390733690

No it isnt, this is just breitbart trying to equate hillary's respect for a dead senator (who was widely respected by both parties) whos racial positions changed drastically with time. With the avowed support of the KKK and people like david duke for trump. Some points on byrd:

-Byrd said that he regretted filibustering and voting against the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and would change it if he had the opportunity. -He said joining the KKK was "the greatest mistake I ever made."
-For the 2003–2004 session, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP)rated Byrd's voting record as being 100% in line with the N.A.A.C.P.'s position on the thirty-three Senate bills they evaluated. Sixteen other senators received that rating.
-In June 2005, Byrd proposed an additional $10,000,000 in federal funding for the Martin Luther King, Jr. National Memorial in Washington, D.C., remarking that, "With the passage of time, we have come to learn that his Dream was the American Dream, and few ever expressed it more eloquently."
-Upon news of his death, the NAACP released a statement praising Byrd, saying that he "became a champion for civil rights and liberties" and "came to consistently support the NAACP civil rights agenda".

Now, i am somewhat uncomfortable with the general liberal ownership of most media (i think open dialogue with varying viewpoints is important) but breitbart is a cesspool that doesnt even have interest in finding an objective truth.

I understand. So if there was a foto/video of Trump making out with him instead of Hillary, the media would not have used it as "Look Trump is a racist!"? Is that what you are saying? Also Trumps pussy grabbing comments where several years ago if i remember correctly? Are those comments worse than licking a racist on camera?

[GONYK]

There seems to be a lot of racism talk in this thread. Can somebody tell me if this counts as racism? Because im not sure.

https://www.facebook.com/drWilda/posts/1060180390733690

No it isnt, this is just breitbart trying to equate hillary's respect for a dead senator (who was widely respected by both parties) whos racial positions changed drastically with time. With the avowed support of the KKK and people like david duke for trump. Some points on byrd:

-Byrd said that he regretted filibustering and voting against the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and would change it if he had the opportunity. -He said joining the KKK was "the greatest mistake I ever made."
-For the 2003–2004 session, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP)rated Byrd's voting record as being 100% in line with the N.A.A.C.P.'s position on the thirty-three Senate bills they evaluated. Sixteen other senators received that rating.
-In June 2005, Byrd proposed an additional $10,000,000 in federal funding for the Martin Luther King, Jr. National Memorial in Washington, D.C., remarking that, "With the passage of time, we have come to learn that his Dream was the American Dream, and few ever expressed it more eloquently."
-Upon news of his death, the NAACP released a statement praising Byrd, saying that he "became a champion for civil rights and liberties" and "came to consistently support the NAACP civil rights agenda".

Now, i am somewhat uncomfortable with the general liberal ownership of most media (i think open dialogue with varying viewpoints is important) but breitbart is a cesspool that doesnt even have interest in finding an objective truth.

I understand. So if there was a foto/video of Trump making out with him instead of Hillary, the media would not have used it as "Look Trump is a racist!"? Is that what you are saying? Also Trumps pussy grabbing comments where several years ago if i remember correctly? Are those comments worse than licking a racist on camera?

Trump making a man who expresses white nationalistic and anti-Semitic views a WH advisor, and considering another man who was deemed too racist to be a judge as an Attorney General is definitely worse than kissing a man who was in the KKK for a year before he became a senator and a "champion for civil rights"

[Latvia]

No it isnt, this is just breitbart trying to equate hillary's respect for a dead senator (who was widely respected by both parties) whos racial positions changed drastically with time. With the avowed support of the KKK and people like david duke for trump. Some points on byrd:

-Byrd said that he regretted filibustering and voting against the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and would change it if he had the opportunity. -He said joining the KKK was "the greatest mistake I ever made."
-For the 2003–2004 session, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP)rated Byrd's voting record as being 100% in line with the N.A.A.C.P.'s position on the thirty-three Senate bills they evaluated. Sixteen other senators received that rating.
-In June 2005, Byrd proposed an additional $10,000,000 in federal funding for the Martin Luther King, Jr. National Memorial in Washington, D.C., remarking that, "With the passage of time, we have come to learn that his Dream was the American Dream, and few ever expressed it more eloquently."
-Upon news of his death, the NAACP released a statement praising Byrd, saying that he "became a champion for civil rights and liberties" and "came to consistently support the NAACP civil rights agenda".

Now, i am somewhat uncomfortable with the general liberal ownership of most media (i think open dialogue with varying viewpoints is important) but breitbart is a cesspool that doesnt even have interest in finding an objective truth.

I understand. So if there was a foto/video of Trump making out with him instead of Hillary, the media would not have used it as "Look Trump is a racist!"? Is that what you are saying? Also Trumps pussy grabbing comments where several years ago if i remember correctly? Are those comments worse than licking a racist on camera?

Trump making a man who expresses white nationalistic and anti-Semitic views a WH advisor, and considering another man who was deemed too racist to be a judge as an Attorney General is definitely worse than kissing a man who was in the KKK for a year before he became a senator and a "champion for civil rights"

Dude im not arguing that Trump is a saint in any way. All i want is for all of you to admit that Hillary is at least as evil as well.

[Greenie]

Lol! If these morons think the next President of the United States gives a fig about a bunch of faux outraged "LeBron's" staying in some hotels or not, they've got another thing coming. Just like no one cared if Kapernick took a knee into obscurity, nobody will care about these manufactured rich athlete outrages.

You understand that there is a difference between someone like Phil Jackson(who has never in 40 years since entering the public eye been accused of racism despite the majority of his workplace interactions being with black people) being recklessly accused of racism by a notoriously thin skinned bitch who is deflecting a story that made him look bad and someone like Donald Trump(who has been accused of racism going back to the early 80s and continues to say racist things) being categorized as a racist because of a slew of racist words and deeds right? If you actually think that these 2 situations equate in any way shape or form then you're part of the problem.

There is a difference between Phil and Trump. Trumps sh*t has been out in the open for a very long time and yet people still went to his establishments and stayed at his hotels. Now that he is the POTUS you wanna boycott? LOL. That's as fake as fake can be.

Just like that idiot Mike Evans that sat during the anthem to protest the election but his ass didn't even vote. Fake.

They weren't supposed to be using anything Trump for many moons now. But they were.

[GONYK]

I understand. So if there was a foto/video of Trump making out with him instead of Hillary, the media would not have used it as "Look Trump is a racist!"? Is that what you are saying? Also Trumps pussy grabbing comments where several years ago if i remember correctly? Are those comments worse than licking a racist on camera?

Trump making a man who expresses white nationalistic and anti-Semitic views a WH advisor, and considering another man who was deemed too racist to be a judge as an Attorney General is definitely worse than kissing a man who was in the KKK for a year before he became a senator and a "champion for civil rights"

Dude im not arguing that Trump is a saint in any way. All i want is for all of you to admit that Hillary is at least as evil as well.

AS evil? No.

I can totally admit she has her own skeletons, but they are not two sides of the same coin.

[Greenie]

its their right not to spend someone who's political philosophy is one they disagree with. I'd be shocked if the vast majority of posters here didn't do the same thing in some form or fashion. Pretty much a non story. Would it be an issue say if Sterling had Hotels and the teams refused to stay there. No. People don't like spending their money to enrich folk they dislike.

True. My question becomes why now? Trump has been a known racist for years.
It comes off fake.

I don't support things I find offensive. Certain fashion lines can't make a penny off of me. I also have made it a point to not stay in any Trump hotel or party in one of his casinos. I made sure to take my ass to a HBCU too. Let's stop half assing outrage.

[Greenie]

Trump making a man who expresses white nationalistic and anti-Semitic views a WH advisor, and considering another man who was deemed too racist to be a judge as an Attorney General is definitely worse than kissing a man who was in the KKK for a year before he became a senator and a "champion for civil rights"

Dude im not arguing that Trump is a saint in any way. All i want is for all of you to admit that Hillary is at least as evil as well.

AS evil? No.

I can totally admit she has her own skeletons, but they are not two sides of the same coin.

I always felt they are. That's an opinion though. I find it hilarious that people went up for a person that called blacks "super predators" but wants to condemn Phil for saying posse. All opinion though.

[Capn'O]

From a policy level, I think you're going to see the difference between Obama (and by extension, Clinton) and Trump on race issues. And it's not goink to go well.

From a personal level - Hillary was whack as hell. I don't have a points system for that stuff to compare them because policy is paramount to me from my politicians. If I did, she wouldn't have scored well. The way she dismissed the young black girls that wanted her to clarify on previous stances while on the campaign trail was disgusting.



In any event - kind of water under the bridge now. Hillary lost. We have to watch this mfer like a hawk.

[GONYK]

From a policy level, I think you're going to see the difference between Obama (and by extension, Clinton) and Trump on race issues. And it's not goink to go well.

From a personal level - Hillary was whack as hell. I don't have a points system for that stuff to compare them because policy matters more to me from my politicians. If I did, she wouldn't have scored well. The way she dismissed the young black girls that wanted her to clarify on previous stances was disgusting.

This is where I was with her. She wasn't great by any stretch. I just think she would have put forth policy that would have built on what Obama did, and nominated a court that did the same.

That was all I could offer in her defense.

[Greenie]

^^^Yep...but hey...let's punish Trump by not staying in his hotels...that'll teach him.

I don't understand this at all.
Peaceful protest and boycotting. those are all legitimate ways to make positive changes in this country.
If enough people boycott, it will punish him.

Most of the people can't afford to go to those hotels in the first place, so trying to convince the masses to boycott Trump's hotels isn't really going to achieve much. But the point really is, if this was really, really, really that important then where were they BEFORE Trump got voted in? Where were the "voice for positive change" then? Because they were busy or it didn't occur to them that a nut job can actually become president and they are now trying to catch up? It's a cheap (easy) approach. Heck, the players don't even pay for the hotels that very few people can afford themselves anyways, so yeah, it's easy to say that. But what exactly is the real bottom line impact?

Exactly

[Greenie]

From a policy level, I think you're going to see the difference between Obama (and by extension, Clinton) and Trump on race issues. And it's not goink to go well.

From a personal level - Hillary was whack as hell. I don't have a points system for that stuff to compare them because policy matters more to me from my politicians. If I did, she wouldn't have scored well. The way she dismissed the young black girls that wanted her to clarify on previous stances was disgusting.

This is where I was with her. She wasn't great by any stretch. I just think she would have put forth policy that would have built on what Obama did, and nominated a court that did the same.

That was all I could offer in her defense.

We just gotta keep voting every year. Maybe in 4 years the DNC will present a worthy candidate, maybe not. Who knows? Not I.

[Capn'O]

From a policy level, I think you're going to see the difference between Obama (and by extension, Clinton) and Trump on race issues. And it's not goink to go well.

From a personal level - Hillary was whack as hell. I don't have a points system for that stuff to compare them because policy matters more to me from my politicians. If I did, she wouldn't have scored well. The way she dismissed the young black girls that wanted her to clarify on previous stances was disgusting.

This is where I was with her. She wasn't great by any stretch. I just think she would have put forth policy that would have built on what Obama did, and nominated a court that did the same.

That was all I could offer in her defense.

We just gotta keep voting every year. Maybe in 4 years the DNC will present a worthy candidate, maybe not. Who knows? Not I.

You'd think they'd learn their lesson. Which, of course, means they'll double down on some douchewad.

[GONYK]

From a policy level, I think you're going to see the difference between Obama (and by extension, Clinton) and Trump on race issues. And it's not goink to go well.

From a personal level - Hillary was whack as hell. I don't have a points system for that stuff to compare them because policy matters more to me from my politicians. If I did, she wouldn't have scored well. The way she dismissed the young black girls that wanted her to clarify on previous stances was disgusting.

This is where I was with her. She wasn't great by any stretch. I just think she would have put forth policy that would have built on what Obama did, and nominated a court that did the same.

That was all I could offer in her defense.

We just gotta keep voting every year. Maybe in 4 years the DNC will present a worthy candidate, maybe not. Who knows? Not I.

The DNC messed up from the very beginning by making it Hillary and no one else. I don't think Bernie would have made it through either way, but I do think Biden would have been exactly what was needed. Experience, can speak the language of the working white class, and a safe person to trust the Obama legacy to if that was your interest.

But, he got bumped before he could even get in the ring.

[NoLayupRule]

This is where I was with her. She wasn't great by any stretch. I just think she would have put forth policy that would have built on what Obama did, and nominated a court that did the same.

That was all I could offer in her defense.

We just gotta keep voting every year. Maybe in 4 years the DNC will present a worthy candidate, maybe not. Who knows? Not I.

The DNC messed up from the very beginning by making it Hillary and no one else. I don't think Bernie would have made it through either way, but I do think Biden would have been exactly what was needed. Experience, can speak the language of the working white class, and a safe person to trust the Obama legacy to if that was your interest.

But, he got bumped before he could even get in the ring.

thats not so at all, on either front


Biden, who I have always loved, didn't run because his son died and he was too distraught to deal with running a campaign
he's been very open about it
sure the clinton people pressured him not to but he's been immune to pressure plenty of times before.
This was a choice he made for his own sanity.
I love Joe but he wasn't able to run.


Hilary was actually a worthy candidate
She won the popular vote, the way every other democracy but our determines winners, by 2mil+

the reason Trump won was not because democrats switched. A nearly equal number or republican votes were cast in the past 3 elections.
The reason Hilary lost was because democrats didn't come out
In large part this is because of people who thought it was a wrap when it wasn't and in large part it was because Hiliary's candidacy was gravely damaged in the primary by the tough fight against Bernie. Bernie supports in large numbers, especially in the rust belt, didn't vote for Hilary but stayed home or voted 3rd party.

Thats a massive failure but it was a universal one. Pollsters and the DNC took those votes for granted. Had she carried Wis, Mich and Penn she would have won.

thats a failure of the get out to vote movement as well as the candidate and her strategists who assumed those votes were wrapped up.

this was a protest election from the jump.
Trump and Bernie both.
Hilary was the insider and establishment candidate. She was immensely qualified and very inspiring for many many americans just not the most vocal ones.
She made many mistakes as a candidate and the DNC made mistakes. And trump got unbelievably lucky.

and america lost
"big league"

[moocow007]

There seems to be a lot of racism talk in this thread. Can somebody tell me if this counts as racism? Because im not sure.

https://www.facebook.com/drWilda/posts/1060180390733690

What part? Hillary possibly being tagged as a racist or at least a KKK supporter? Or the page itself? There are plenty of people that aren't specifically bent on white supremacy (to the degree that KKK members are) that have associations with those that do. For politicians especially, it's not unusual to expect that they have dealt with KKK members just as they have dealt with leaders in other extreme sectors of the population. I mean I would expect the politician I vote into office to actually have dealt with all sorts of people. Wouldn't you? I mean just think about it. What is the good of a politician if he is so rigid and sheltered that he/she has no relationships with anyone? The reality is that people deal with people that they know and not with people that they don't know. So if my intent was to improve racial relations, KNOWING the people on both sides of the equation would be A LOT better than not knowing either or strictly favoring one over the other. I think folks may not have a good picture of what politicians really are supposed to do and the tools that they need to be able to do it. There's a saying that lawyers are destined to go to hell and that the politicians will lead the way. The goal of a politician is to politic, not to be some one dimensional, one sided, immovable, untenable radical or extremist themselves bent on "righteousness". Just because Clinton is hugging and kissing a guy that is associated with the KKK doesn't mean she's a KKK member herself nor that she supports their beliefs. Now it doesn't mean that she doesn't, but you simply cannot imply a politician is one thing or another simply by a picture or a specific action. Heck, one of my closest college friends (who is a local congressman btw) has his family roots embedded in the clan (we're talking openly racist talk and hoods in the mantle). Doesn't mean that I'm one or support them or wouldn't mind if the bulk of them get blown off the face of the earth. And no, I'm not white.

[Jeff Van Gully]

There seems to be a lot of racism talk in this thread. Can somebody tell me if this counts as racism? Because im not sure.

https://www.facebook.com/drWilda/posts/1060180390733690

"I know now I was wrong. Intolerance had no place in America. I apologized a thousand times ... and I don't mind apologizing over and over again. I can't erase what happened."

In 2010, even the NAACP released a statement honoring Senator Byrd and mourning his passing:

The NAACP is saddened by the passing of United States Senator Robert Byrd. Byrd, the longest serving member of congress was first elected to the U.S. House from [West Virginia] in 1952 and was elected Senator in 1958. Byrd passed away this morning at the age of 92.

"Senator Byrd reflects the transformative power of this nation," stated NAACP President and CEO Benjamin Todd Jealous. "Senator Byrd went from being an active member of the KKK to a being a stalwart supporter of the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act and many other pieces of seminal legislation that advanced the civil rights and liberties of our country.

"Senator Byrd came to consistently support the NAACP civil rights agenda, doing well on the NAACP Annual Civil Rights Report Card. He stood with us on many issues of crucial importance to our members from the reauthorization of the Voting Rights Act, the historic health care legislation of 2010 and his support for the Hate Crimes Prevention legislation," stated Hilary O. Shelton, Director of the NAACP Washington Bureau and Senior Vice President for Advocacy and Policy. "Senator Byrd was a master of the Senate Rules, and helped strategize passage of legislation that helped millions of Americans. He will be sorely missed."

sounds like a man who turned that around. it happens. i embrace anyone with the courage to leave that fug schidt behind and hope they can inspire others to do the same.

real weak.

to answer your initial swipe, if he was active klan or had not disavowed, then, yes. it would be racism.

[Jeff Van Gully]

There seems to be a lot of racism talk in this thread. Can somebody tell me if this counts as racism? Because im not sure.

https://www.facebook.com/drWilda/posts/1060180390733690

No it isnt, this is just breitbart trying to equate hillary's respect for a dead senator (who was widely respected by both parties) whos racial positions changed drastically with time. With the avowed support of the KKK and people like david duke for trump. Some points on byrd:

-Byrd said that he regretted filibustering and voting against the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and would change it if he had the opportunity. -He said joining the KKK was "the greatest mistake I ever made."
-For the 2003–2004 session, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP)rated Byrd's voting record as being 100% in line with the N.A.A.C.P.'s position on the thirty-three Senate bills they evaluated. Sixteen other senators received that rating.
-In June 2005, Byrd proposed an additional $10,000,000 in federal funding for the Martin Luther King, Jr. National Memorial in Washington, D.C., remarking that, "With the passage of time, we have come to learn that his Dream was the American Dream, and few ever expressed it more eloquently."
-Upon news of his death, the NAACP released a statement praising Byrd, saying that he "became a champion for civil rights and liberties" and "came to consistently support the NAACP civil rights agenda".

Now, i am somewhat uncomfortable with the general liberal ownership of most media (i think open dialogue with varying viewpoints is important) but breitbart is a cesspool that doesnt even have interest in finding an objective truth.

I understand. So if there was a foto/video of Trump making out with him instead of Hillary, the media would not have used it as "Look Trump is a racist!"? Is that what you are saying? Also Trumps pussy grabbing comments where several years ago if i remember correctly? Are those comments worse than licking a racist on camera?

not even sure where you're trying to go right now, but... no. trump working with byrd would be a good look. trump is the one pumping white supremacists up right now.

we get it. you like trump. but that was a weak play, homie. breitbart? i'm sure you can do better.

[Jeff Van Gully]

There seems to be a lot of racism talk in this thread. Can somebody tell me if this counts as racism? Because im not sure.

https://www.facebook.com/drWilda/posts/1060180390733690

What part? Hillary possibly being tagged as a racist or at least a KKK supporter? Or the page itself? There are plenty of people that aren't specifically bent on white supremacy (to the degree that KKK members are) that have associations with those that do. For politicians especially, it's not unusual to expect that they have dealt with KKK members just as they have dealt with leaders in other extreme sectors of the population. I mean I would expect the politician I vote into office to actually have dealt with all sorts of people. Wouldn't you? I mean just think about it. What is the good of a politician if he is so rigid and sheltered that he/she has no relationships with anyone? The reality is that people deal with people that they know and not with people that they don't know. So if my intent was to improve racial relations, KNOWING the people on both sides of the equation would be A LOT better than not knowing either or strictly favoring one over the other. I think folks may not have a good picture of what politicians really are supposed to do and the tools that they need to be able to do it. There's a saying that lawyers are destined to go to hell and that the politicians will lead the way. The goal of a politician is to politic, not to be some one dimensional, one sided, immovable, untenable radical or extremist themselves. Just because Clinton is hugging and kissing a guy that is associated with the KKK doesn't mean she's a KKK member herself nor that she supports their beliefs. Now it doesn't mean that she doesn't, but you simply cannot imply a politician is one thing or another simply by a picture or a specific action. Heck, one of my closest college friends (who is a local congressman btw) has his family roots embedded in the clan (we're talking openly racist talk and hoods in the mantle). Doesn't mean that I'm one or support them or wouldn't mind if the bulk of them get blown off the face of the earth.

all valid points. but note that this man is the opposite of klan. former, disavowed klan is something to be uplifted.

[Jeff Van Gully]

ain't nobody here seen american history x?