Carmelo #3: Vertical: Knicks want to trade Melo and build around Kristaps Porzingis

Post #81 » by **Jeff Van Gully** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 6:25 pm

King of Canada wrote:
Marty McFly wrote:
Knicksfan1992 wrote:Hope KP is ready for the chitstorm he's about to get.. Y'all are getting what you wanted... I hope you like it....

cause everything's been rosey up to this point.

The fans will all have way more patience if we finally get a real rebuild

no, they won't. the fans are never patient in NY. but it doesn't matter. the business plan will be what it be.

Marty McFly · Post #82 » by **Marty McFly** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 6:25 pm

ChaosHamster wrote:
Marty McFly wrote:
ChaosHamster wrote:
Or another Jaylen Brown, who brings zero impact at the moment.

right. because all nba drafts are equal.

you are right, they can possibly get someone who can't even handle NBA minutes.. At least Brown is logging how many..? Right, 13mpg.

i am right. like i said before, some of you have trouble with context, so I'll spell it out for you. some drafts are better than others.

Juco24 · Post #83 » by **Juco24** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 6:25 pm

I think it's now a foregone conclusion that Melo will be traded soon. Personally, I hope he goes to the Cavs and wins a title as I think Melo is/was under appreciated here. So, where do you guys think he'll end up?

Red Vines · Post #84 » by **Red Vines** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 6:25 pm

This has to move fast now right?

Post #85 » by **Jeff Van Gully** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 6:26 pm

Knicks93 wrote:Every tweet that is coming out sounds like Phil made his decision, Melo is gone by Feb 23rd. Lets hope we get some value back and Melo waives it.

melo ain't gone if melo doesn't want to be. don't forget that.

NewEra · Post #86 » by **NewEra** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 6:26 pm

Bet Phil still wants Crowder

Knicksfan1992 · Post #87 » by **Knicksfan1992** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 6:26 pm

DaGawd wrote:
Knicksfan1992 wrote:It's not about losing. It's about all of the attention KP is going to have on him now. You think he looks bad out there with Melo? Wait until all teams have to worry about is him and let's see how he develops out there. I have faith and I could care less about the losing but, if you think my original post was about our record you're missing the point...

If he sinks he sinks. That's no reason to keep Melo around. That's an awful reason matter of fact. Let us find out if we have the real deal or not. And if not we plan accordingly around that

If KP stinks it's not just he stinks... I don't think people understand just how desperate we are for KP not to just be good but, be GREAT

Post #88 » by **Capn'O** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 6:26 pm

Jeff Van Gully wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
and start rebuilding around Kristaps Porzingis

Woj said it. WOJ!

word. doesn't get more reliable. he wouldn't go to bat with it if it didn't come from a good source.

It's consistent with what that Boston mod told us over the summer too. Basically, that he was better faster than they had originally anticipated and the team had a choice to make about the long term direction. Our record made the choice for them. And here we are.

poeman · Post #89 » by **poeman** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 6:26 pm

“If the tanks succeed, then victory follows.”
Heinz Guderian

Nothing stops this...Nothing.

Blockwatcher · Post #90 » by **Blockwatcher** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 6:26 pm

Im about to go to the Boston board and lose it

Johnny Hoops · Post #91 » by **Johnny Hoops** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 6:27 pm

I don't see Cavs/Boston working together in this instance -- could you imagine being the Cavs GM and you get upset by Boston team with Love playing a key role in the playoff upset.

I see this being NY/Cleveland focused deal -- potentially with another team not named Boston/Toronto added to get Cav's comfortable with their return.

I guess it could be NY/Boston direct but I wouldn't mind us getting Love as an asset and being able to move him later this summer if we wanted.

Knicks_Fan2 · Post #92 » by **Knicks_Fan2** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 6:27 pm

Mecca wrote:
Knicks_Fan2 wrote:
Triple C wrote:

Read on Twitter

Who exactly is Boston going to sign this offseason? The new CBA will completely limit studs leaving their teams so you're just looking at second and third tier guys, maybe.

Gordon Baeward is their priority. Stevens has the Butler connection as well.

Can't offer as much as Utah and Utah is going to max him out. Gordon isn't giving up 40mm guaranteed.

Post #93 » by **Jeff Van Gully** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 6:28 pm

shtolky wrote:
Triple C wrote:

Read on Twitter

The new CBA made cap space far less valuable than it used to be. Who are they going to sign this summer who is better than Melo? Hayward? I think that is a bit overstated, simply because Stevens is the coach. He seems pretty happy in Utah and he can get paid way more there. Not only would they have Melo this year, but next, and potentially a few more years after that. To me the issue with the Celtics has always been Melo's seeming unwillingness to go there, not the other way around.

good point. melo is a win-now piece. free agency is going to be harder than ever to dislodge big-time players.

Damas · Post #94 » by **Damas** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 6:28 pm

As long as this bum gets out of NY and we get decent picks then I am happy.

Johnny Hoops · Post #95 » by **Johnny Hoops** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 6:29 pm

Mecca wrote:
Knicks_Fan2 wrote:
Triple C wrote:

Read on Twitter

Who exactly is Boston going to sign this offseason? The new CBA will completely limit studs leaving their teams so you're just looking at second and third tier guys, maybe.

Gordon Baeward is their priority. Stevens has the Butler connection as well.

This news probably have Utah front office working up a G-Hayward max-extension right now.

Mecca · Post #96 » by **Mecca** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 6:29 pm

Knicks_Fan2 wrote:
Mecca wrote:
Knicks_Fan2 wrote:
Who exactly is Boston going to sign this offseason? The new CBA will completely limit studs leaving their teams so you're just looking at second and third tier guys, maybe.

Gordon Baeward is their priority. Stevens has the Butler connection as well.

Can't offer as much as Utah and Utah is going to max him out. Gordon isn't giving up 40mm guaranteed.

Depends on if he prefers the major market. I don't know if Hayward will leave because Utah loves him + they have a fun young core.

Funny thing is, Melo in Boston is a terrible fit. IT/Melo defensively is awful together. Horford/Bradley/Crowder can't cover for that pair in the playoffs.

NYKnicksTAPE · Post #97 » by **NYKnicksTAPE** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 6:30 pm

whichever team can give us the most value back in return is where he needs to end up...Boston would be ideal

poeman · Post #98 » by **poeman** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 6:30 pm

Cavs: Melo, Jennings
Rockets: Love
Knicks: Picks, and whatever to fill cap for this season.

Oscirus · Post #99 » by **Oscirus** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 6:31 pm

Knicksfan1992 wrote:It's not about losing. It's about all of the attention KP is going to have on him now. You think he looks bad out there with Melo? Wait until all teams have to worry about is him and let's see how he develops out there. I have faith and I could care less about the losing but, if you think my original post was about our record you're missing the point...

Meh, nows as good of a time as any to see what KP's made of. It's better we find out now then 2 years down the line. If he sinks then we have options. But I don't think that he'll sink, I have a feeling that he'll raise to the occasion.

Post #100 » by **DOT** » Thu Jan 26, 2017 6:31 pm

Damas wrote:As long as this bum gets out of NY and we get decent picks then I am happy.

I mean, the only decent pick any of these teams have is the BKN 2017, and that's a pipe dream. Best case is we send him to the Clips for a bunch of future firsts and it becomes a Nets situation