Build a Team 17.0 Discussion Thread #3 (NBA Champion will be announced Thursday 7PM)

[Greenie]

Well well well...

[Mecca]

MPharris is trying to justify DRTG as the chief stat to determine defense

Oladipo has a DRTG of 108
Shump has a DRTG of 109
KP has a DRTG of 109
Marcus Morris has a DRTG of 110

Larry Nance has a DRTG of...... 109 LOL that stick talk.

[Smash3]

but you're building around paul george, like he's been to the finals before

How are you going to sidestep:



We have two franchise players. We have a team of competitors, this is a no rat zone.

bruh u got a washed up ginobli starting for you, and nerlens noel who hasn't proved himself yet.
everyone here is sleeping on teague, dude is averaging 16 pts and 10 assists in the past 10 games.
durant > george
tyler johnson has been a solid player for the heat, averaging 14
david lee can still ball (as we've seen him starting now with the spurs)
and we have mason plumlee, one of the best passing bigs in the league
i like lowry but i dont trust him in the playoffs
our team will FEAST on urs

Don´t get me wrong, it´s a good squad, but realistically it´ll struggle because Durant can´t do it on his own. Paul George and Lowry is a lethal combo which both cover each others deficiencies. Manu is not starting, Nerlens has proven 3 years in a row he is a defensive phenom; and that´s the role he´s supposed to play on our team (nothing to prove).

[NewEra]

I'm too lazy to check MPH's advanced stats. For all I know he could be lying. Waiting for him to say something like KP's sneakers makes and average of 3 and a half more squeaks than Jabari's

[Slicin N Dicin]

How are you going to sidestep:



We have two franchise players. We have a team of competitors, this is a no rat zone.

bruh u got a washed up ginobli starting for you, and nerlens noel who hasn't proved himself yet.
everyone here is sleeping on teague, dude is averaging 16 pts and 10 assists in the past 10 games.
durant > george
tyler johnson has been a solid player for the heat, averaging 14
david lee can still ball (as we've seen him starting now with the spurs)
and we have mason plumlee, one of the best passing bigs in the league
i like lowry but i dont trust him in the playoffs
our team will FEAST on urs

Don´t get me wrong, it´s a good squad, but realistically it´ll struggle because Durant can´t do it on his own. Paul George and Lowry is a lethal combo which both cover each others deficiencies. Manu is not starting, Nerlens has proven 3 years in a row he is a defensive phenom; and that´s the role he´s supposed to play on our team (nothing to prove).

Not gonna lie, Smash, but I am curious to see how you fill out the rest of your roster. Only 4 players this deep, granted I like the talent you have and do think you can build around it, but it is getting pretty deep in the draft.

[mpharris36]

That's a deceptive stat that I can name a bunch of Eddy Currys that have excellent DRTGs. DPRM favors Nance quite a bit, and a trip the Lakers forum will vouch for me, from fans that watch every Laker game.

how is my stat deceptive when it relies on just the player...when you stat suggests kevin love, david lee, and nikoli mirotic are top 15 defensive players at there position?

Because that stat has David Lee as a top 15 player at his position in DRTG as well. Also has Hermangomez as being a very good defender when we can all admit he's pretty lost at times.

You can't use one premise to a logic then disregard the same premise in your argument.

which is funny because i'm not using DRTG...

The stat I use says will hernangomez is just as bad as a defender as nance...both all 3% more FG % than average.

My stats suggests guys like Gobert, Aminu, AD, KP, Luc Mbah a Moute....are some of the most impactful defensive players.

Is every stat full proof no. But that stat is a lot more realistic to overall play than DRPM...that takes into consideration way to much of who you play with. David Lee gets significant boost by playing with Kawhi Leonard and other players. Put him on the knicks and his DRPM would be atrocious.

[Mecca]

I'm too lazy to check MPH's advanced stats. For all I know he could be lying. Waiting for him to say something like KP's sneakers makes and average of 3 and a half more squeaks than Jabari's

I study the same analytics MP looks at, which is why I'm puzzled that he chose to use DRTG against me, when Nance has the same DRTG as his entire starting lineup.


Oladipo has a DRTG of 108
Shump has a DRTG of 109
KP has a DRTG of 109
Marcus Morris has a DRTG of 110

Larry Nance has a DRTG of...... 109 LOL that stick talk.

[mpharris36]

IM NOT USING DRTG!!!!!!

[magnumt]

- I think JustCame tried to play the value game until he figured out nobody values Love or Lopez on this board, so now he's screwed himself.

- I think LJ tried to play the value game, until he realized he's built up quite the rep to the point that people are scared to deal with him or realize he doesn't have leverage.

- I think Spree's team is old and brittle, and asking 2017 Wade/Melo to lead a team is asinine.

- Smash still is missing 40% of his starting lineup

- Pooch is drunk or high. Maybe both.

- NewEra screwed his team up so bad.

- idk what mpharris is doing with that PF/C duo.

--Mags

[NewEra]

Fury's bench

[Mecca]

how is my stat deceptive when it relies on just the player...when you stat suggests kevin love, david lee, and nikoli mirotic are top 15 defensive players at there position?

Because that stat has David Lee as a top 15 player at his position in DRTG as well. Also has Hermangomez as being a very good defender when we can all admit he's pretty lost at times.

You can't use one premise to a logic then disregard the same premise in your argument.

Which is funny because im not using DRTG...

The stat I use says will hernangomze is just as bad as a defender as nance...both all 3% more FG % than average.

My stats suggests guys like Gobert, Aminu, AD, KP, Luc Mbah a Moute....are some of the most impactful defensive players.

Is every stat full proof no. But that stat is a lot more realistic to overall play than DRPM...that takes into consideration way to much of who you play with. David Lee gets significant boost by playing with Kawhi Leonard and other players. Put him on the knicks and his DRPM would be atrocious.

You're not looking at all the other dependent variables. Nance makes his living from switching on D, and plays on the same unit as guys like Lou Williams and D-Loading. And again, I invite you to take one trip the Lakersground.net where they discuss Nance's D.

Again, the fact that that stat says KP is one of the most impactful defenders in the NBA is how I know that it's not above any other analytic.

I have multiple analytics that prove that Nance is a very good defender in DWS and DRPM.

[Smash3]

Someone actually traded for Jameer? I didn´t even know he was still in the league

[Slicin N Dicin]

Greenie found a taker...i'm surprised.

[3toheadmelo]

How are you going to sidestep:



We have two franchise players. We have a team of competitors, this is a no rat zone.

bruh u got a washed up ginobli starting for you, and nerlens noel who hasn't proved himself yet.
everyone here is sleeping on teague, dude is averaging 16 pts and 10 assists in the past 10 games.
durant > george
tyler johnson has been a solid player for the heat, averaging 14
david lee can still ball (as we've seen him starting now with the spurs)
and we have mason plumlee, one of the best passing bigs in the league
i like lowry but i dont trust him in the playoffs
our team will FEAST on urs

Don´t get me wrong, it´s a good squad, but realistically it´ll struggle because Durant can´t do it on his own. Paul George and Lowry is a lethal combo which both cover each others deficiencies. Manu is not starting, Nerlens has proven 3 years in a row he is a defensive phenom; and that´s the role he´s supposed to play on our team (nothing to prove).

i trust durant in taking us to the promised land
but nerlens noel hasn't been that good defensively either. opponents r shooting 47 percent against him. i like his potential, but he's not that guy i would have start right now IMO
lowry and george are the only players i like on ur team but everything else is full of question marks

[ctorres]

Wow Smash3, how dare you

[mpharris36]

I'm too lazy to check MPH's advanced stats. For all I know he could be lying. Waiting for him to say something like KP's sneakers makes and average of 3 and a half more squeaks than Jabari's

my stat from your starting lineup suggests

Horford is an average defender (which he is) - holds his offensive player to league average
Zaza is' a horrible one (which he isn't good) - gives up 6% higher than league average
Luc Richard is a great one (which he is) - holds his offensive player to 5% worse shooting than average (amazing)
Klay is a really good defender (which he is) - holds his offensive player to 2.5% worse shooting than there average (really good)
Darren Collison is a mediorce defender - he allows offensive players to shoot 1.5% higher than there average (he probably slightly below average when you think of defensive guards.

Now those seem pretty true do you agree?

Maybe horford is a little better than just average but he takes a hit because he is an undersized 5 so he doesn't defend the rim well enough to help him there. He makes up for his P&R defense though.

[3toheadmelo]

Someone actually traded for Jameer? I didn´t even know he was still in the league

past 10 games hes putting up 11.1 points 6.2 assists
one of the league's better backup point guards
my bench is gonna be BEAST

[magnumt]

There are some hilarious teams though:

JustCame after winning the BAT as a rookie, is going for another record: worst defense ever built in BAT

Hoffa: That team is going nowhere fast, Derrick Rose and Draymond in the same lockerrom? Can´t wait until Drose takes some days off because he´s feeling homesick

Ctorres: Building around Durant as the main cog, like we just didn´t see this dude take his rat whiskers over to a stacked team because he can´t carry the load on his own

LJ: How many active players does he have?

but you're building around paul george, like he's been to the finals before

How are you going to sidestep:



We have two franchise players. We have a team of competitors, this is a no rat zone.

You have jack sh*y bro.

I'm sorry. You know I love ya, but just a week ago Lowery was leading the Raps to 5 straight losses (landing them BEHIND the Celtics now ), and let's be real that team is now in Derozan's hands. The Pacers are BARELY hanging on to a Playoff spot thanks to your almighty "Franchise" player Paul George ( ), and the rest of your team is currently non-existent.

--Mags

[Mecca]

I'm too lazy to check MPH's advanced stats. For all I know he could be lying. Waiting for him to say something like KP's sneakers makes and average of 3 and a half more squeaks than Jabari's

my stat from your starting lineup suggests

Horford is an average defender (which he is) - holds his offensive player to league average
Zaza is' a horrible one (which he isn't good) - gives up 6% higher than league average
Luc Richard is a great one (which he is) - holds his offensive player to 5% worse shooting than average (amazing)
Klay is a really good defender (which he is) - holds his offensive player to 2.5% worse shooting than there average (really good)
Darren Collison is a mediorce defender - he allows offensive players to shoot 1.5% higher than there average (he probably slightly below average when you think of defensive guards.

Now those seem pretty true do you agree?

Maybe horford is a little better than just average but he takes a hit because he is an undersized 5 so he doesn't defend the rim well enough to help him there. He makes up for his P&R defense though.

This stat has its flaw in the fact that it only accounts for man defense. It's difficult to call it a chief defensive statistic, when I can make the argument that DRTG and DRPM would show the same findings of NewEra's team.

[JustCame]

Having the worse defense in BAT puts you in the same boat thoe.

My team is going to outscore yours by 20 though, so does it matter? haha

Says the person who picked Lopez then five mins later try to trade him to me. Thinking I would be gassed up by his PPG. Lets not talk about Love with reports out of Cle he breaking down

Obviously I would try to trade Lopez. He's not a good fit for my team. He was just the best player by far available.